Speed buumps, Carpenterstown Rd

tskk

Are the new speed bumps on the Carpenterstown rd up near St Patricks ns permanent?
They seem like they were thrown down? Do you think the council are testing different types of bumps?

suey71

I've seen these bumps up in Tyrrellstown and even though they look flimsy they really make you slow down.

But prepair to have to replace your suspension system next year.

They are needed though. That road was like a racetrack at times.

And I hope they were cheap. I don't like it when the council spends lots of money on things they could get done for cheaper, or on things they didn't need to do at all.

Ahem, cough cough, one way system at Molloys.

tskk

I agree with you. That road is awful, cars fly down the road. The ramps just have a temporary feel to them. I would prefer the ones they have around at Riverwood. They really make cars slow down!

dSleeper

There's a lot more of them appeared today...creeping back towards the other roundabout...I think thats the plan anyway

Dr_Teeth

I saw a plan for that road a while back that had traffic islands that narrowed the road to slow people down, has that plan been replaced by these little bumps? I guess it must be cheaper, they just seem to be bonded to the tarmac.

tskk

But some of the bumps are just one bump in a lane and instead of going over it cars are going into the other lane to go around it. I can see this causing more accidents tbh!

daymobrew

Dr_Teeth wrote: »

I saw a plan for that road a while back that had traffic islands that narrowed the road to slow people down, has that plan been replaced by these little bumps? I guess it must be cheaper, they just seem to be bonded to the tarmac.

I think that the two ramps between Spar and St Patrick's NS roundabouts were supposed to be traffic islands but presumably changed to just ramps at some point during the public evaluation.

The original proposal shows 14 ramps over the 1.4km stretch. 11 submissions were received about the ramps.

dSleeper

The Islands grew today...well a few of them anyway...Lts see what tomorrow brings.

Looks like they stop a bit just before Fernleigh..

BostonB

A few random speed checks by the Gardai during a month would have sorted this out without ramps. Of courses thats asking the impossible. I wonder will the speed bumps do much for the speeding, since you don't have to slow down that much if you cross them bang on in the middle. I hate ramps, but the speeding was brutal on that road.

dSleeper

BostonB wrote: »

A few random speed checks by the Gardai during a month would have sorted this out without ramps. Of courses thats asking the impossible. I wonder will the speed bumps do much for the speeding, since you don't have to slow down that much if you cross them bang on in the middle. I hate ramps, but the speeding was brutal on that road.

They seem to be working. Will bumps appear inbetween the islands neeared Ferneigh/Roundabout?

Its hard to get to go over them in the middle..

daymobrew

BostonB wrote: »

I wonder will the speed bumps do much for the speeding, since you don't have to slow down that much if you cross them bang on in the middle.

IMO they don't work on the Riverwood side anyway. I think that people will speed up again as they used to the new ramps.

BostonB

daymobrew wrote: »

IMO they don't work on the Riverwood side anyway. I think that people will speed up again as they used to the new ramps.

Even on some of the smaller roads people race down them. Its amazing no ones been killed from someone speeding in the area tbh.

old_aussie

Why pay for speed bumps when you can have pot holes for free

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They're a bloody nuisance. Where's it going to stop - ramps on the m50?

Diddler1977

These ramps seem lethal to me. I would imagine they are very difficult to see at night. I see lots of the attached bollards to the centre islands have been knocked down already. I don't think they are safe.

dSleeper

so they now have the correct signage on them, the luminous yellow with a blue/white arrow on them...
Very hard not to see!..

Angelmangle

I hate them! They are lethal in a small car wtih small wheels (which I have), I have to almost stop to get over them in one piece - fine if you have an SUV or anything suited to offroad driving :mad:

BostonB

Angelmangle wrote: »

...I have to almost stop to get over them in one piece...

Isn't that the whole point?

My daily hack is a small car, small wheel, and its not too bad if put one wheel on the ramp and one wheel off it. Though anything that gets me out of the car and on the bike more often has too be good.

daymobrew

Angelmangle wrote: »

I hate them! They are lethal in a small car wtih small wheels (which I have), I have to almost stop to get over them in one piece - fine if you have an SUV or anything suited to offroad driving :mad:

Would it be okay if you moved to the side of them, so one side of the car goes over the ramp while the other wheels are on the ground?

TheChrisD

daymobrew wrote: »

Would it be okay if you moved to the side of them, so one side of the car goes over the ramp while the other wheels are on the ground?

Isn't that was most people do at all speed ramps these days?

BostonB

TheChrisD wrote: »

Isn't that was most people do at all speed ramps these days?

No some ramps you can fit over, completely, other ramps don't have a break and cover the whole width of the road.

30H!3

These ramps are f**king stupid.

They are small enough so anyone with a big car capable of easily speeding (Eg. bmw, merc, honda, jeeps, etc) will have a large enough wheel track that they can just cruise through them.

Angelmangle

BostonB wrote: »

Isn't that the whole point?

My daily hack is a small car, small wheel, and its not too bad if put one wheel on the ramp and one wheel off it. Though anything that gets me out of the car and on the bike more often has too be good.[/QUOTN

No it shouldn't be, grinding to a halt and slowing down are two very different things. Speedbumps are there to make sure motorists maintain a certain speed, which is fine, I have no problem with that. My problem with these is that because my car/wheels etc are so small I have to drop down to second gear, minus 15mph to get over them safely (all of them) without demolishing my car. To be honest, I'll just use the other road from now on, the speed bumps there are much more manageble, I can do them at 25mph without tearing out the underside of my car and ruining my suspension

BostonB

There is something wrong with your car if all that happens going over those ramps. Everyone else seem to be managing around 40~50km/h and only slowing slightly for the ramps.

If you have a sports/firm/lowered suspension and low profile tyre's, I would imagine you'd have to slow down a lot more. But in a regular car with regular profile tyres you shouldn't have a problem.

Be interesting to see will the ramps reduce the rat run traffic.

Pat Dunne

Folks, let us remember why the ramps are been installed
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055662006

BostonB

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Folks, let us remember why the ramps are been installed
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055662006

Speeding on that road is a problem yes.

But that accident wasn't related to speeding.

BostonB

old_aussie wrote: »

Why pay for speed bumps when you can have pot holes for free

Speaking of which....

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/fake-potholes.shtml

dSleeper

BostonB wrote: »

There is something wrong with your car if all that happens going over those ramps. Everyone else seem to be managing around 40~50km/h and only slowing slightly for the ramps.

If you have a sports/firm/lowered suspension and low profile tyre's, I would imagine you'd have to slow down a lot more. But in a regular car with regular profile tyres you shouldn't have a problem.

Be interesting to see will the ramps reduce the rat run traffic.

Yes but if my car is made from LEGO...I'm in trouble..;)

BostonB

dSleeper wrote: »

Yes but if my car is made from LEGO...I'm in trouble..;)

http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2008/10/20/lego-ferrari-formula-1-car/

Angelmangle

BostonB wrote: »

There is something wrong with your car if all that happens going over those ramps. Everyone else seem to be managing around 40~50km/h and only slowing slightly for the ramps.

If you have a sports/firm/lowered suspension and low profile tyre's, I would imagine you'd have to slow down a lot more. But in a regular car with regular profile tyres you shouldn't have a problem.

Be interesting to see will the ramps reduce the rat run traffic.

To be honest I don't think there is, its in pretty good nick, well cared for, just passed its nct but it just happens to have very small tyres not made for coping with speed ramps that high and I do think they are pretty severe. If I was in a jeep sure or even a big salon car just not in a little 1ltr runaround

BostonB

Sorry but if going over these ramps, is "tearing out the underside of my car" you have a problem. It shouldn't touch it at all.

Angelmangle

BostonB wrote: »

Sorry but if going over these ramps, is "tearing out the underside of my car" you have a problem. It shouldn't touch it at all.

It doesn't if I go very, very, very, very slowly

BostonB

Angelmangle wrote: »

It doesn't if I go very, very, very, very slowly

Something wrong with your car then.

Angelmangle

BostonB wrote: »

Something wrong with your car then.

Ok so - if we are going to be pedantic about this. "Tearing the understide out of my car" is the use of poetic lisence when elaborating on an opinion of the negative impact of speed ramps on my cars wheels & shock obsorbers etc, I did not realise it would descend into a purile rendition of "there is something wrong with your car", "no there isn't" comments! :mad:

BostonB

In fairness I wasn't the one over egging the pudding...

The ramps are a royal pain. They are only there because of a failure to enforce the speed limits. A couple of real speed cameras would have been a far better solution. That said most traffic is doing 40~50 across them, from what I can see. The real test will be when all the schools are back. Traffic will increase then, and we'll see the true impact.

Angelmangle

I was actually using descriptive language to illustrate my frustration.

However I agree with you on your other point.

daymobrew

BostonB wrote: »

The ramps are a royal pain. They are only there because of a failure to enforce the speed limits. A couple of real speed cameras would have been a far better solution.

Agreed. Ramps punish everyone for the sins of the few - just like swing gates the entrances to the open space area on Riverwood Chase, swing gates between Fernleigh and Luttrellstown Road (which are very very tight with a bike). :mad:

Rosser

daymobrew wrote: »

Agreed. Ramps punish everyone for the sins of the few - just like swing gates the entrances to the open space area on Riverwood Chase, swing gates between Fernleigh and Luttrellstown Road (which are very very tight with a bike). :mad:

Nope the swing gates are to prevent kids running straight out onto the road they are not a punishment - not unreasonable near a play ground surely?

daymobrew

Rosser wrote: »

Nope the swing gates are to prevent kids running straight out onto the road they are not a punishment - not unreasonable near a play ground surely?

The Riverwood ones were installed to stop quad bikes getting onto the open space area. Nothing to do with children.

There is a swing gate between Fernleigh Drive and Luttrellstown Chase, the quietest road around. Why?

Rosser

daymobrew wrote: »

The Riverwood ones were installed to stop quad bikes getting onto the open space area. Nothing to do with children.

There is a swing gate between Fernleigh Drive and Luttrellstown Chase, the quietest road around. Why?

It's great that not only do the swing gates prevent quad bikes getting on to the open space they also prevent kids from running out directly on to a busy road, that's a real result.

daymobrew

Rosser wrote: »

It's great that not only do the swing gates prevent quad bikes getting on to the open space they also prevent kids from running out directly on to a busy road, that's a real result.

If the Gardai did their job we would probably not have speed bumps or swing gates.

There are more open spaces without swing gates than ones with, though I see your point.
I think that double buggies and wheelchairs would have serious difficulty getting through them.
Anyhow, we are getting off topic. My main point is the inaction of Gardai that results in these passive items that impact everyone.

Gaspode

daymobrew wrote: »

If the Gardai did their job we would probably not have speed bumps or swing gates.

My main point is the inaction of Gardai that results in these passive items that impact everyone.

I dont often disagree with you Daymobrew, but I think you're wrong there.

It's the complete and utter failure of a sizeable minority of US to behave in a decent, respectful and mannerly way towards our fellow citizens. We speed, we litter, we disobey the laws, regulations and bye-laws designed to keep everyone safe and ensure we live in a decent country.

If we could get their act together, then there would be no need for speed bumps, swing gates, etc., and the Gardai wouldn't need to be enforcing the laws.

Never gonna happen though, but I think shifting the blame to the Gardai is not the answer.

BostonB

Its human nature not to obey laws unless theres enforcement. Thats why you need enforcement. Not everyone is wired the same way.

Enforcement doesn't have to the Gardai, but IMO there was far more Garda speed checks in the past in D.15. In recent years theres been hardly any.

daymobrew

Gaspode wrote: »

Never gonna happen though, but I think shifting the blame to the Gardai is not the answer.

They are the only ones with the authority to counteract that sizeable minority. If I do something then they will suddenly appear to arrest me.

I have always maintained that if people who were annoyed/outraged by the speeding actually went onto the road and disrupted traffic, that it would be a better result. Name'n'shame the culprits and the like.

I think that we will have to agree to disagree.

I will be interested to see if speeding still occurs on the road, like it still does on the Riverwood side.

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Gaspode wrote: »

I dont often disagree with you Daymobrew, but I think you're wrong there.

It's the complete and utter failure of a sizeable minority of US to behave in a decent, respectful and mannerly way towards our fellow citizens. We speed, we litter, we disobey the laws, regulations and bye-laws designed to keep everyone safe and ensure we live in a decent country.

If we could get their act together, then there would be no need for speed bumps, swing gates, etc., and the Gardai wouldn't need to be enforcing the laws.

Never gonna happen though, but I think shifting the blame to the Gardai is not the answer.

All true, so therefore gardai are needed to catch those that break the law.

I wonder how long it takes before the people who called for these ramps call for their withdrawal. Whatever the rights and wrongs, they are a complete nightmare for people that have to use them daily.

Having a guard monitor the road once a week for an hour would stop all the speeding.

triple-M

these dreaded ramps have now appeared at the start of damastown industrial estate down the ladyswell road and theyre also along the blackcourt road in corduff,:(