Call for Irish Women to Boycott Mass

PeterIanStaker

Mod stick this in Interesting Stuff or Scandals if you want, I just thought I'd put it up here.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0811/religion.html

amacachi

Seems to be a slow news day. I have to laugh though, if she doesn't become remorseful for purposely missing mass then she'll be going to mass according to her own church. Or she could just leave the church.

robindch

amacachi wrote: »

Or she could just leave the church.

Possibly a bit embarrassing for her son who used to be the headmaster of Glenstal Abbey school (and my former biology teacher ). She made the front page of the Irish Times too in a slightly better article:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0811/1224276549321.html?via=mr

Jennifer Sleeman is quite a character though -- it was mostly her who pushed Clonakilty to become Ireland's first Fair Trade town, and she's one of the more active people on the sane and rational side of the environmental movement in West Cork which houses more than its fair share of the nation's environmental eccentrics.

PeterIanStaker

balls, tis 3 pages long in AH. . .please merge.

Dades

I don't see the point with merging with AH, tbh. Them's different folk over there.

ShooterSF

I posted over there and will say the same thing here. 'Tis like a black man joining the KKK and giving out about it's treatment of blacks. Just leave the organisation if you disagree with it's beliefs.

goingpostal

She is 80 years old and it took her this long to figure out that 'lay' people, especially women have no rights whatsoever in that autocracy? Better late than never I suppose.

panda100

goingpostal wrote: »

She is 80 years old and it took her this long to figure out that 'lay' people, especially women have no rights whatsoever in that autocracy? Better late than never I suppose.

Whats most puzzling is she actually joined the RC church later in life apparently, so it wasn't like she was one of the usual indoctrinated sheep.

However, I will make a concentrated effort to go home that weekend and state the boycott as my reason for not going to mass.

Galvasean

Yeah, this "Lets make apeople's church out of the RCC again" brigade is unbelievably foolish. It was never meant to be run as a democracy!

amacachi

Galvasean wrote: »

Yeah, this "Lets make apeople's church out of the RCC again" brigade is unbelievably foolish. It was never meant to be run as a democracy!

Everyone is equal in the Catholic Church until they express an opinion.

Dades

amacachi wrote: »

Everyone is equal in the Catholic Church until they express an opinion.

Or hand over huge donations.

Galvasean

Animal Farm reference

Rev Hellfire

well its something to be commended. If you're pragmatic you'll realise that the church isn't going to disappear and will still have influence for some time to come; anything from within its ranks that can effect a more positive stance from it is welcome imho.

Zombrex

"Jennifer Sleeman wants to let the church authorities in the Vatican and in Ireland know that women are fed up with being, what she describes as, 'second class citizens' in the church."

Er, stop being a Catholic would seem to be the obvious answer there.

Shows how utterly out of touch "cultural" Catholics in Ireland with what they are actually supposed to believe.

Wicknight

Wicknight wrote: »

"Jennifer Sleeman wants to let the church authorities in the Vatican and in Ireland know that women are fed up with being, what she describes as, 'second class citizens' in the church."

Er, stop being a Catholic would seem to be the obvious answer there.

Shows how utterly out of touch "cultural" Catholics in Ireland with what they are actually supposed to believe.

I think she's actually a convert though

panda100

Instead of a boycott she should just read the history of the RC church's misogny. When you look at the church's back catolouge of their treatment to women any sane person would leave the church in a heartbeat. Misogny seeks to dehumansie women through restrictive definitions of what our 'true' role supposedly is and making sure we are confined to it. In Western civilisation there has been no more powerful apparatus for imposing such a definition than the Chistian Chuches.

HeR boycott is due to the chuch's teatment of women but this is a church built on the subordination of women and they have done everything in their power to keep women in their 'rightful' place. i.e in no descision making positions,kept in the kitchen as a baby-making machine.

Here are some of the topics RC women (and men) should read up on their boycott day:

• Andrea Vesalius,noted anatomist and phsician in the 16th cenury who was persecuted by the RC church for insiting that men did not have one rib fewer than women. Cos obviously women were a byproduct of a leftover mens rib......

• The Church's inconsistent view on abortion. Until 1588, the CHurch followed Aristotle's dictate that the foetus was not 'ensouled' until 40 days after conception if it was male, and 60 days If female. The dogma of the Immaculete conception in 1854 changed all this, and this is the date from which contraception and abortion were seen as the greatest evils in the world. Are war,famine and the abuse of fellow human beings not greater eveils?

• Saint Thomas Aquinas issues his opinion that women cannot be in authority over men and that 'the superior male' essence was necessary to become a priest for 'Adam was beguiled by Eve,not she by him'. Of course the whole Creation story provides the justification of women's subordination, as women's inferiority is God's judgement on her for bringing about the Fall of man.

• Then theres the cult of the Virgin Mary, the obsession with virginity in their female saints and the Witch hunts..........the list is endless really

amacachi

panda100 wrote: »

Instead of a boycott she should just read the history of the RC church's misogny. When you look at the church's back catolouge of their treatment to women any sane person would leave the church in a heartbeat. Misogny seeks to dehumansie women through restrictive definitions of what our 'true' role supposedly is and making sure we are confined to it. In Western civilisation there has been no more powerful apparatus for imposing such a definition than the Chistian Chuches.

HeR boycott is due to the chuch's teatment of women but this is a church built on the subordination of women and they have done everything in their power to keep women in their 'rightful' place. i.e in no descision making positions,kept in the kitchen as a baby-making machine.

Here are some of the topics RC women (and men) should read up on their boycott day:

• Andrea Vesalius,noted anatomist and phsician in the 16th cenury who was persecuted by the RC church for insiting that men did not have one rib fewer than women. Cos obviously women were a byproduct of a leftover mens rib......

• The Church's inconsistent view on abortion. Until 1588, the CHurch followed Aristotle's dictate that the foetus was not 'ensouled' until 40 days after conception if it was male, and 60 days If female. The dogma of the Immaculete conception in 1854 changed all this, and this is the date from which contraception and abortion were seen as the greatest evils in the world. Are war,famine and the abuse of fellow human beings not greater eveils?

• Saint Thomas Aquinas issues his opinion that women cannot be in authority over men and that 'the superior male' essence was necessary to become a priest for 'Adam was beguiled by Eve,not she by him'. Of course the whole Creation story provides the justification of women's subordination, as women's inferiority is God's judgement on her for bringing about the Fall of man.

• Then theres the cult of the Virgin Mary, the obsession with virginity in their female saints and the Witch hunts..........the list is endless really

You made one fundamental mistake there, you seem to expect someone to evaluate their "faith" in a logical way.

amacachi

amacachi wrote: »

You made one fundamental mistake there, you seem to expect someone to evaluate their "faith" in a logical way.

Tbh I hate when people pretend their faith is logical. It isn't. That doesn't mean give it up asap, it means don't try and pretend it's not irrational.

robindch

panda100 wrote: »

Here are some of the topics RC women (and men) should read up on their boycott day:

To which I'd add Hypatia of Alexandria who seems to have been one of the earlier victims of the christian war on reason.

The 2009 film Agora dramatized her decline and fall with energy and elegance.

panda100

robindch wrote: »

To which I'd add Hypatia of Alexandria who seems to have been one of the earlier victims of the christian war on reason.

The 2009 film Agora dramatized her decline and fall with energy and elegance.

Wow thats really intresting,thanks for putting the link up!

Dades

This has been mentioned before... Mmmm. Rachel Weisz.

superer234

Well those women will regret what they're doing now when they die!

ColmDawson

superer234 wrote: »

Well those women will regret what they're doing now when they die!

Yeah, they'll be kicking themselves when they end up in Naraka and realise that Hinduism was the correct religion.


That's what you were getting at, wasn't it?

Metalfan

any woman who worships the woman hater god of the bible needs their head examined. A man beleiving in it is one thing - at least god seems to be somewhat fond of men (sometimes)- but a woman ...

Wacker

Honestly, the boycott makes little sense to me. If they're truly Catholic, then wouldn't they reckon it a mortal sin to miss Mass, and thus something that would doom them to Hell, like Superer234 mentioned? If they don't believe this, then why would they ever to Mass at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to just attend Mass but not put a cent in the basket?

Galvasean

Wacker wrote: »

Honestly, the boycott makes little sense to me. If they're truly Catholic, then wouldn't they reckon it a mortal sin to miss Mass, and thus something that would doom them to Hell, like Superer234 mentioned? If they don't believe this, then why would they ever to Mass at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to just attend Mass but not put a cent in the basket?

In the decades you have spent on this planet I'm sure you have noiced that Catholics in general do not make a whole lot of sense.

furiousox

Wacker wrote: »

If they're truly Catholic, then wouldn't they reckon it a mortal sin to miss Mass, and thus something that would doom them to Hell, like Superer234 mentioned? If they don't believe this, then why would they ever to Mass at all?

Cos its all about power and control innit?

Wacker

Galvasean wrote: »

In the decades you have spent on this planet I'm sure you have noiced that Catholics in general do not make a whole lot of sense.

Well, I would hope that everyone here who be good enough to point out the absurdity of this boycott to friends and family who may be considering it. Moot my alternative though; it makes far more sense. Seriously, I'd be really worried that the collection plates would be bursting on October 3rd, as a result of everyone coming back and looking to catch up.