Posioned lands

NoseyMike2010

I saw a sign up while walking in the country saying "Land posioned" ... what does this mean?

whelan1

what it says i would guess

Casinoking

It means there's poison laid on the lands, so if your dog goes off wandering and comes back dead it's your own fault for letting him loose in the first place

LostCovey

NoseyMike2010 wrote: »

I saw a sign up while walking in the country saying "Land posioned" ... what does this mean?

Hi NoseyMike,

I think there are two possibilities:

- it is a bluff. Someone has sheep or other vulnerable livestock and is worried about dogs chasing their stock

or

- it is as the others have said and there really is poison laid. If there is poison laid, it is illegal unless the local gardai have been notified.

Worth mentioning to your local Garda Station.

As far as I know meat-based baits have been banned, so the main threat to dogs is from illegally-laid poison.

LostCovey

Corsendonk

I don't think its just dogs that should worry, a number of birds of pray have died from poison in the last year.

johngalway

LostCovey wrote: »

As far as I know meat-based baits have been banned

For birds only I thought?

LostCovey

johngalway wrote: »

For birds only I thought?

Sorry John, I don't understand what you mean by "for birds only"

LostCovey

johngalway

LostCovey wrote: »

Sorry John, I don't understand what you mean by "for birds only"

LostCovey

That grain based substances were still allowed for use against crows and such, but that meat based substances were now disallowed.

LostCovey

johngalway wrote: »

That grain based substances were still allowed for use against crows and such, but that meat based substances were now disallowed.

Yes, agreed, and that is what I meant. But you don't need a sign to protect dogs from grain and crows can't read. So one might suspect that a place with signs up MIGHT be using meat baits.

That's all i was suggesting

LC

johngalway

LostCovey wrote: »

As far as I know meat-based baits have been banned, so the main threat to dogs is from illegally-laid poison.

LostCovey

Err no, cos meat based poisons haven't been banned for foxes, AFAIK, and you didn't specify

Clear as mud

LostCovey

johngalway wrote: »

Err no, cos meat based poisons haven't been banned for foxes, AFAIK, and you didn't specify

Clear as mud

Hi John,

You may well be correct - you are certainly correct when you say it is clear as mud!

What (realistically) is the difference between a meat bait for a crow and a meat bait for a fox?

If we just jump over that pot-hole (because I really cannot see how one can in any meaningful sense be illegal and the other illegal), we come to a bigger legal minefield.

What poison can legally be used to control foxes?

LostCovey

johngalway

LostCovey wrote: »

What poison can legally be used to control foxes?

LostCovey

I don't have the answer to that as I don't poison anything, I prefer copper jacketed lead travelling very very fast.

But, as we both know from other threads, it is legal to poison foxes once signs are erected on the land and the Gardai notified beforehand.

Now, as for crows, Gormless did ban meat based poisons for crows etc in the not so distant past if memory serves me correctly. So in effect, meat based poisons aren't illegal, and are illegal, depending on the target species.

LostCovey

johngalway wrote: »

But, as we both know from other threads, it is legal to poison foxes once signs are erected on the land and the Gardai notified beforehand.

You may know this John, but I don't. If there is a substance that may legally be used to poison foxes in Ireland, what is it?

I do not believe there is. I have asked this question before, and nobody has ever named what poison can legally be used. Or if they have, they have just plucked a name out of the air, they have not stated what legal basis there is for any of this poisoning.

johngalway wrote: »

Now, as for crows, Gormless did ban meat based poisons for crows etc in the not so distant past if memory serves me correctly.

Hopefully he's not too Gormless to finish the job and ban them entirely.

LostCovey

johngalway

LostCovey wrote: »

I do not believe there is. I have asked this question before.

Not being smart with you here but perhaps ask those giving the permission, the Gardai.

LostCovey

johngalway wrote: »

Not being smart with you here but perhaps ask those giving the permission, the Gardai.

The Gardai are giving nobody permission to lay poison.

The Gardai are being notified that poison has been laid.

They may be making the same assumption that you are making John.

It is a reasonable one. Some one lays a bait containing a poisonous chemical in their land to kill wild things, puts up a big dirty sign that says 'Poison Laid', and drives into town, tells the Guards he has done it, and gets his name put in a book. If I was a young Guard, I would assume it must be legal. If I was an old Guard I would remember when strychnine was freely available and legal.

If I shoot a fox or a crow I can show you the piece of legislation that allows me to do that.

All I am asking is what poison can I legally lay to kill foxes?

Everyone is assuming this must all be grand, I think it is no harm to question that.



LostCovey

LostCovey

LostCovey wrote: »

All I am asking is what poison can I legally lay to kill foxes?

LostCovey

Eight days of silence on this.

Exactly the response I expected.

LostCovey

Birdnuts

LostCovey wrote: »

T If I was an old Guard I would remember when strychnine was freely available and legal.

I


LostCovey

Thankfully strychnine has been banned for over 20 years. Pretty much every other "poison" such as paraquat has been banned too and Irish legislation is coming down the line soon via the EU to ban the use of all types of uncovered poison bait as is the case across the rest of the EU. Should have been done decades ago to prevent ongoing damage to Irelands "green" image on which so much of our food exports tourism depends on!! - better late then never I suppose:rolleyes:

johngalway

LostCovey wrote: »

Eight days of silence on this.

Exactly the response I expected.

LostCovey

And the Gardai told you? :rolleyes:

LostCovey

johngalway wrote: »

And the Gardai told you? :rolleyes:

I didn't trouble them.

LC