Catholic Church, A Force of good or Evil ?

TalkieWalkie

I came across this interesting video recently and it echoed what I have thought and felt about the Catholic Church for years. More recently, I believe that if there is an evil in this world, it emanates from this church.
Let's bash the church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL5WVecNdhk

fontanalis

They're like a corporation or political party, all about self preservation.

My name is URL

Well the Catholic Church, along with most other faith systems are responsible for holding back human development. Not to mention the many scandals throughout its history. I think the church itself is 'evil', but I also think the people who have a genuine belief in that stuff, and strive to better themselves and their communities because of it; are good, but ultimately naive.

Fuinseog

My name is URL wrote: »

Well the Catholic Church, along with most other faith systems are responsible for holding back human development. Not to mention the many scandals throughout its history. I think the church itself is 'evil', but I also think the people who have a genuine belief in that stuff, and strive to better themselves and their communities because of it; are good, but ultimately naive.

fry takes a sectarian swipe at the 'Romans' yet woe betide anyone who critices his homosexual lifestyle.

the church is gone.are we really better off?

My name is URL

Fuinseog wrote: »

fry takes a sectarian swipe at the 'Romans' yet woe betide anyone who critices his homosexual lifestyle.

the church is gone.are we really better off?

The church isn't gone though. Younger people may be leaving the faith here in Ireland, but millions more are being born every year in developing countries. The church has as much power now as it ever did before. What percentage of charities in Africa are not working in the name of a religious organization?

I don't think the disbandment of community level church groups etc is going to be of benefit to society, only a disconnect between them and the hierarchical canonical system can loosen the churches grip on people's lives.

Joshua Jones

The huge wealth amassed by the catholic church over the years is against the very basic teachings of Jesus himself. It could probably end world poverty if it liquidadted its assets. It's what Jesus would do.

I've grown up indoctrinated with this religion and they attempted to brainwash me into believing that they are the sole arbitures for good moral judgement. They have shown the opposite.

nullzero

An awful organisation, just like all religious instutions.
We'd be much better off without this shower and their counterparts in all faiths.

Undergod

Fuinseog wrote: »

fry takes a sectarian swipe at the 'Romans' yet woe betide anyone who critices his homosexual lifestyle.

the church is gone.are we really better off?

"I have no quarrel and no argument, and I wish to express no contempt for individual,devout and pious members of that Church."

Where's the sectarianism? He attacks the organization, not the people.
And yes, woe betide anyone who attacks him for being gay, because that person is a dick.

He misfired on a few points, but overall, great speech.

condra

Corrupt and cynical.

Dj Stiggie

Where's the conspiracy in this? Every time they haven't made an apology, a scandal has been exposed, a child has been abused, a priest has escaped prosecution due to the Church's power the institution has proved it is fundamentally evil. Very few people outside the Church's hierarchy are denying the evil that lies within, lay-Catholics included.

TalkieWalkie

For me, the conspiracy is that the church is the source of evil that it claims to protect it's followers against.

uprising2

The catholic church are a pack of hypocritical evil scum, don't get me wrong, there are good rc priests who are 100% genuine good people, but I lost faith in religion a few years ago, and gained faith in God, it's just the 2 of us now.

humanji

I'm going to leave this open as long as you all promise not to just turn it into a religion bashing thread (we have an atheism forum for that).

Try and keep your posts about the conspiracy put forward by TalkieWalkie:

TalkieWalkie wrote:

For me, the conspiracy is that the church is the source of evil that it claims to protect it's followers against.

In the interest of fairness here's the total debate that the op was taken from, so you can see both sides arguments. (well I think it's the whole debate. I can't actually view videos at the moment, so tell me if I'm missing something):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kuzYwzGoXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AloG_pu1zmc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRpuFfGvEIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEgdTfKZeME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnerPDY87mM

Run_to_da_hills

It being the worlds largest organised paedophiled ring one would expect it to be a force of evil.

Take a closer look.

robtri

Again, big brush and a bucket of tar........

riddiculous

joe12345

Where's the conspiracy in this?

Conspiracy = Bishops and peado priests coloudding for god knows how
many years to COVER UP the abuse. Bishops not reporting abuse to the
gards but just moving a priest onto another parish. Maybe even have the
poor poor abused kids sign an oath of secrecy. Thats a conspiracy if there
ever was one.

I agree it's fairly known and common now. BUt back in the 40s, 50s, 60s,
70s and even 80s the priest was the cornerstone of the community. Back
then if you were to suggest such a thing you would be outwardly
condemned and told to go to confession and ask for forgiveness.
A bit like if nowadays if you dare to suggest that your government arent
really in charge but a secretive bureaucratic elite are pulling the strings
on behalf of the big corporations

They got away with it for 40 or 50 years at least.... classic case of
compartmentalisation !

Mahatma coat

This might help put things in perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ1_aQz6IuU

its nothing new, its not the last 50 years, its been going on since the beginning.

So in summation

EVIL

RoboClam

It has it's good and bad points. While I'm not a fan of the Catholic church, I wouldn't say it's "Evil". If you had "Somewhere in between" as an answer in the poll, I'd pick that.

EDIT: Or Atari Jaguar