Course Record or Not?

jj72

Hi ya folks. Just wondering what peoples opinions are on this matter and generally whats done in most clubs.
I broke the course record at my local club at the weekend, (-5)...it was previously -4. The only problem was that it was in a team event.
So just wondering if it would count as the offical course record in your clubs or what stipulations are in place in other clubs.

charlieIRL

sorry i can't answer your question but WELL DONE on your score.

Osgoodisgood

jj72 wrote: »

Hi ya folks. Just wondering what peoples opinions are on this matter and generally whats done in most clubs.
I broke the course record at my local club at the weekend, (-5)...it was previously -4. The only problem was that it was in a team event.
So just wondering if it would count as the offical course record in your clubs or what stipulations are in place in other clubs.

In my club only single competitions off the back markers can be considered.

Nice shooting!

f22

First of all well done.

Unfortunately it would have to have been a singles competition played from the medal/championship stakes to qualify.

jj72

Thanks folks, we actually were off the back sticks but the fact it was a team comp is the reason im told it wont count? Is that because i could have taken advice off my partners or is there another reason behind it?

AGC

jj72 wrote: »

Thanks folks, we actually were off the back sticks but the fact it was a team comp is the reason im told it wont count? Is that because i could have taken advice off my partners or is there another reason behind it?

Although you played off the back tees it won't count. Many reasons like your score not being on the card for that hole etc...

Just has to be a singles.

Nice score

jj72

Well my score was counted on every hole and entered for each hole
so i cant think of any other reason?

f22

jj72 wrote: »

Well my score was counted on every hole and entered for each hole
so i cant think of any other reason?

Advise being one, aswell as the ability to request a playing partner to take a put closer to the hole on your line.

conno16

surely there should be a course record for all markers though..
champ tees, whites, etc

jj72

Well we always have had just the one course record for some reason. Im not bothered if it is the official record (just delighted that i managed it) but it does seem that the advice thing would be the only reason that it cant be counted. Its fair enough i suppose.

jj72

f22 wrote: »

Advise being one, aswell as the ability to request a playing partner to take a put closer to the hole on your line.

Can you do that in normal singles comps??

Paulusmaximus

another reason would be your state of mind. When you were playing the last 3/4 holes in a team event are you thinking the same way as the last 3/4 holes in a singles competition. I think the pressure on yourself is multiplied a lot in a singles competition than in a team event...

Jul3s

Paulusmaximus wrote: »

another reason would be your state of mind. When you were playing the last 3/4 holes in a team event are you thinking the same way as the last 3/4 holes in a singles competition. I think the pressure on yourself is multiplied a lot in a singles competition than in a team event...

+1
Singles is a completely different environment, i.e. no safety net of knowing you have your partners to rely on if/when you screw up.

jj72

ya thats a good point lads, although our team played brutal and all i was thinkin was course record from the 10th onwards. Really went at it from then on but another good reason not to allow it stand. Feck!

AGC

Wouldn't count for handicap purposes so presume that would be one of the main reasons.

heavyballs

jj72 wrote: »

Thanks folks, we actually were off the back sticks but the fact it was a team comp is the reason im told it wont count? Is that because i could have taken advice off my partners or is there another reason behind it?

jesus i've played a lot of team events but never from the back markers,it would take all day going on my experience of them,then again i suppose there's not much difference with some clubs distance wise

jj72

Nail on the head there heavyballs. little difference between them. Question tho, am i eligible to get cut in team event?

BUACHAILL

jj72 wrote: »

Nail on the head there heavyballs. little difference between them. Question tho, am i eligible to get cut in team event?

You can log your score with the handicap comittee but to be honest you probably wont be touched. They can only cut you on observation and generally speaking you will need 3-4 really good team placements / placed in prizes society finishes to get cut.

To answer your question if its a club record or not, unfortunately no chance it will be considered must be singles medal comp. That said unreal shooting fair play.

PhilipMarlowe

jj72 wrote: »

Question tho, am i eligible to get cut in team event?

Depends is the answer:) You can by all means notify your handicap secretary of the score but something like this would really only be taken into account at the end of year review I feel.
Also, what is your current handicap? If you are in category 1 (presumably!) then as far as I know you can't have a general play cut without permission from the GUI (provincial branch). Same thing with regard to cutting someone down into category 1 from category 2 on general play, you need permission first.
When dealing with general play reductions, one good score shouldn't really mean that the player deserves a cut, though it might point towards your exact handicap being too high.

JMB88

Good score, keep up the good play. If your good enough to do it in a team event then you're good enough to do it in singles.

Only one Keano

jj72 wrote: »

Hi ya folks. Just wondering what peoples opinions are on this matter and generally whats done in most clubs.
I broke the course record at my local club at the weekend, (-5)...it was previously -4. The only problem was that it was in a team event.
So just wondering if it would count as the offical course record in your clubs or what stipulations are in place in other clubs.

Great shooting but am amazed you weren't aware that it had to be a singles.

We've all shot great scores in team/4balls competitions when the mindset is different. For example you're playing partners already score the team points on the hole but you putt out knowing it doesn't really matter if you hold it or not. You tend to be more agressive and hit the putt more freely. The real test is to do with a scorecard in the hand and knowing that if you mess up that this is the only score that really matters. And for that reason alone I would be in fully agreement that a course record can only count in a singles. Having it only in a singles also alleviates the potential for cheating.

My understanding is that not only does it have to be a singles but a strokes competition as it won't even count if done in a singles stableford.

JMB88

Only one Keano wrote: »

My understanding is that not only does it have to be a singles but a strokes competition as it won't even count if done in a singles stableford.

Yes, I believe I have heard this before. Although when I think about ... course records only count when played off back markers, as far as I know any of my clubs competitions that are played off the back markers are strokes ie. Monthly medals, Captains, Presidents and Scratch Cups. All other normal member comps are played off member tees so there wouldnt be an opportunity to break the course record.

A.Partridge

Your score won't count as a record but nonetheless your game is in great shape....well done!

jj72

Only one Keano wrote: »

Great shooting but am amazed you weren't aware that it had to be a singles.

Having it only in a singles also alleviates the potential for cheating.
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I was aware it needed to be singles but as i said i just wanted to find out what the norm was in other clubs and what people generally felt about it.
tbh im not bothered anyway as i know ive shot the record plus it was my record that i broke!
interesting point you make about the cheating aspect, ive always tought in my own mind that if anyone was going to cheat it would be much easier in a singles event the a team event. I would think it would be very hard to find a team of 3/4 people all willing to cheat together.....not that im looking

indabunka

Congratulations on a great score - however for me a course record means beating the previous record in a Singles Strokes qualifying competition played off the Championship tees.

I have seen an increasing number of clubs (including my own) posting "course record" cards on their walls where the score has been achieved in a stableford competition off forward tees or from a society (non-qualifying) event!

Anakin.S

Congratulations on your round, you beat the course record!

Does it really matter if your card gets put in a frame in the Club House? I'd much rather have the card in a frame in my own house than the club house (I'm only 17 shots off our club record ).

Golf being an individual sport I can completly understand why you won't hold the 'official' record but you know you beat it and the people you played with know you beat it and I'm sure the rest of the club will know you 'unofficially' beat the course record.

All you need to do now is repeat it in a singles tournament, you've did it once before, so you know its possible for you... Good luck

nosco

Weird question to be honest. Great score, but surely the "team event" part is the key reason why it doesn't count. You were representing your team, not yourself. Your own score is irrelevant.

fullstop

nosco wrote: »

Weird question to be honest. Great score, but surely the "team event" part is the key reason why it doesn't count. You were representing your team, not yourself. Your own score is irrelevant.

Which has been stated several times if you bothered to read the thread.

bigguy086

its a team event not a singles event. have you heard of a course record in a ryder cup???

come on now

heavyballs

jj72 wrote: »

I was aware it needed to be singles but as i said i just wanted to find out what the norm was in other clubs and what people generally felt about it.
tbh im not bothered anyway as i know ive shot the record plus it was my record that i broke!
interesting point you make about the cheating aspect, ive always tought in my own mind that if anyone was going to cheat it would be much easier in a singles event the a team event. I would think it would be very hard to find a team of 3/4 people all willing to cheat together.....not that im looking

then why the silly thread title???????

jj72

heavyballs wrote: »

then why the silly thread title???????

Again...like i said i wanted to find out what the norm was in other clubs and what peoples thoughts were.....

heavyballs

your first post on this...............


"Hi ya folks. Just wondering what peoples opinions are on this matter and generally whats done in most clubs.
I broke the course record at my local club at the weekend, (-5)...it was previously -4. The only problem was that it was in a team event.
So just wondering if it would count as the offical course record in your clubs or what? stipulations are in place in other clubs"

spoken like a 20 something hcpr imo,someone who shoots -4 should(would) know that it wouldn't count anywhere,no offence but that's why your thread is somewhat misleading in title and silly in substance

bigguy086

heavyballs wrote: »

your first post on this...............


"Hi ya folks. Just wondering what peoples opinions are on this matter and generally whats done in most clubs.
I broke the course record at my local club at the weekend, (-5)...it was previously -4. The only problem was that it was in a team event.
So just wondering if it would count as the offical course record in your clubs or what? stipulations are in place in other clubs"

spoken like a 20 something hcpr imo,someone who shoots -4 should(would) know that it wouldn't count anywhere,no offence but that's why your thread is somewhat misleading in title and silly in substance

AGREED

fullstop

heavyballs wrote: »

your first post on this...............


"Hi ya folks. Just wondering what peoples opinions are on this matter and generally whats done in most clubs.
I broke the course record at my local club at the weekend, (-5)...it was previously -4. The only problem was that it was in a team event.
So just wondering if it would count as the offical course record in your clubs or what? stipulations are in place in other clubs"

spoken like a 20 something hcpr imo,someone who shoots -4 should(would) know that it wouldn't count anywhere,no offence but that's why your thread is somewhat misleading in title and silly in substance

I thought the same when I first read the thread, doesn't seem like a question someone capable of shooting a course record would be asking.

heavyballs

fullstop wrote: »

I thought the same when I first read the thread, doesn't seem like a question someone capable of shooting a course record would be asking.

yeah it seems i'm not the only one that smells a bit of bs

nosco

Yep. Actually, I would say with full confidence that this is not true. Simply impossible that someone who has played the golf the required to shoot a 66(or whatever) would ask this question. What a complete waste of time.

jj72

Jaysus lads it was an honest question ffs. I didnt know what was done in other clubs, its not something that happens every day in golf clubs so i felt it was a fair enough question.

jj72

heavyballs wrote: »

your first post on this...............



spoken like a 20 something hcpr imo,someone who shoots -4 should(would) know that it wouldn't count anywhere,no offence but that's why your thread is somewhat misleading in title and silly in substance

How in the world is it misleading?? Question is 'course record or not? pretty easy to follow if you ask me.

Goodluck2me

jj72 wrote: »

How in the world is it misleading?? Question is 'course record or not? pretty easy to follow if you ask me.

yeah, and who cares if the OP is made up??

heavyballs

Goodluck2me wrote: »

yeah, and who cares if the OP is made up??

the last 3 posters for starters?tell me why you would agree with such idiotic posting,that is assuming it is bs,lets all make up fantasy statements and make a joke of the forum

fullstop

Goodluck2me wrote: »

yeah, and who cares if the OP is made up??

What would be the point of making it up