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Toxicity Levels in my Body???
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08-08-2010 10:06am#1
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Well there are foods that help your body along, plus minerals and vitamins that help your body work more efficiently and so on. Thats what I was talking about. Yea and I'm not into the crazy spa fad crapola. I think the feet patches and the like are the kind of thing that opinion guy was talking about earlier. I am more interested in finding out what we can do to help the body keep its self clean as we have a great machine, we just keep dumping crap into itlocum-motion wrote: »Foods that clean your body?
'fraid not!
That's your kidneys' and your liver's job.
The whole 'detox' industry is a load of coswallop. Especially the likes of the 'detox patches' that one sticks to the soles of the feet overnight, and in the morning they're stained brown by all the 'toxins' they've removed from the body. Sorry, but the patches slowly turn brown after being taken out of their packets and exposed to air and/or moisture, whether they're stuck to a pair of feet or not. Even if they could absorb toxins, toxins aren't excreted via the soles of the feet.
Prime, things dont scare me cause they have long names. I'm a nub. Plus I am not changing my entire life just because of this video. Simply that this has brought to the fore front again something that I have been meaning to look into and potentially change about my life. There is no denying that we consume things on a daily basis that are harmful to us, and this is something my family has been aware of for years and I learnt from a young age. Back in the late 80's and early 90's people realised that E numbers were, for the most part, bad for you and sales of products containing E numbered ingredients dropped. While this did trigger a change it was 2 fold. On one hand some companies started using healthier ingredients plus other companies realised that there was a market for healthy and natural ingredients in our food. On the other hand companies just simply used alternative names for these ingredients and in most cases simply using the scientific names and those looking out for E numbers were foiled, well a proportion of them anyways. But regardless we still consume products with harmful ingredients. For example the artificial sweetener "Aspartame" is rumoured to cause cancer, including Brain Tumours. Palm oil is used is most fast food restaurants (McDonnalds, Burger King and more) and is also used in an amazing amount of Butters, margarines, oils, biscuits, cakes and so on. Palm Oil is known to have one of the highest levels of Trans Fats of any of the commercially used oils and is possibly one of, if not the worst, one of these oils for us. However it is being used in abundance and is only increasing in use. And this is not even to take into its environmental impact. The problem with most of these things is that the funding available for these kind of studies is not available and while these large corporations have money to burn to protect their lively hood. But we are now moving into a political discussion and while its one I am willing to have this is not the forum for it.Prime Mover wrote: »Just because something has a complicated scientific name doesn't mean it's lethal. You would be pretty screwed without adenosine triphosphate in your body for example.
Then she mentions toxins in products... what toxins? Which ones? Also, they cause cancer. What type of cancer? There are many different types in many different organs.
You need to see the studies that back this up. Pouring chemicals into a dish of cells will kill them or mutate them, doesn't mean it happens in the body. Pouring a load of shampoo into a dish of cancer cells will probably kill them, doesn't mean shampoo cures cancer.
Serious lack of specifics in that video. If you want to change something, be specific, provide data. Vague hand waving stuff gets put on the "somebody should do something" pile and forgotten.
What I am trying to get at is that we simply do not know enough, and there is not enough energy put into looking into it.
What I would like is simply to come out of the other end of this thread a little more knowledgeable about the subject. And later go on to learn a bit more.
Yea but this is it, who does know?crazy dude wrote: »Well, I am a bit crazy so I'm probably best qualified to comment on your question:
The idea of toxins in your body is a rare occurence in real life- perhaps if you had end stage liver disease maybe you would see toxins, specifically urea and protein degradation products build up, cross over into your brain and induce effects on your brain.
Theres also toxins in the sense of heavy metals- for example as "mad as a hatter" refers to the mercury poisoning by hatters who bent felt into the shape of hats using mercury to soften the felt
Theres also a growing suspiction regarding nanotoxicity e.g. small fine particles in cosmetics and suncreams used to refract light may be able to pass into the blood and cause havoc by entering cells etc due to their size. For example this is now thought to be how asbestos induces mesothioloma (spelt right??) in the lungs or how soot used to cause testicular cancer in chimney sweeps. So yes, perhaps we are all at risk of pollutants on the nanoscale causing illness in our newly built cities etc. Who knows?
But I will say something- people are obsessed with the small aspects of health while we let ourselves grow fat and obese , probably the major killer. Then, like the freedom obsessed idiots we are we don't do the obvious thing and set a timescle for the gradual reduction of sugar, salt and saturated fats in our largely processed food by law, the only solution that makes sense. You could spend 3 hours in tescos reading labels about calories, salt, fats etc but in reality its up to our health providers to limit our exposure to these as its almost impossible to find healthy food as anyone on a weight watchers diet will appreciate
Cause I would like to. We supposedly have a better standard of living than 100 years ago and yet people are dying from stuff that simply was not around then. So why? I am sure its a combination of a lot of factors but which ones.
And I totally agree with you. We should have our priorities straight. A healthier life style and a healthy weight is important as obesity is probably the largest medical crisis we are likely to suffer from in the next 50 years.
Personally I am obese. I am 6'1" and 18 stone. I was 19 2 weeks ago though. However, I have been had some medical issues that had kept me on crutches and some times bed ridden for long periods of times over the last 4-5 years and I have put a log of weight on. About a year ago we started to figure out what was wrong with me and I am much better now. A year ago a 15 min walk would result in a lot of pain in my knee and ankle joints and if I pushed it I would end up needing the crutches again. Now I am walking for hours without much more than just being tired and having sore feet. (in fact tomorrow morning I am walking from Contarf to Houth and over the next few months I hope to build up to a 20 mile round trip up and over Houth).
When I got sick I put a lot of weight on quick but stabilised after some time. But due to the fact that I could not move around (well this is my excuse and I'm sticking to it) meant I did not loose any of it.
Regardless of all this I have been cooking for myself for years and I try to use ingredients that are as healthy as I can afford.
However none of this changes the fact that I simply do not know enough about the kinds of things my body is exposed to on a daily or weekly basis. And I am sure I am not the only one0 -
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Dara Robinson wrote: »Well there are foods that help your body along, plus minerals and vitamins that help your body work more efficiently and so on. Thats what I was talking about. Yea and I'm not into the crazy spa fad crapola. I think the feet patches and the like are the kind of thing that opinion guy was talking about earlier. I am more interested in finding out what we can do to help the body keep its self clean as we have a great machine, we just keep dumping crap into it Prime, things dont scare me cause they have long names. I'm a nub. Plus I am not changing my entire life just because of this video. Simply that this has brought to the fore front again something that I have been meaning to look into and potentially change about my life. There is no denying that we consume things on a daily basis that are harmful to us, and this is something my family has been aware of for years and I learnt from a young age. Back in the late 80's and early 90's people realised that E numbers were, for the most part, bad for you and sales of products containing E numbered ingredients dropped. While this did trigger a change it was 2 fold. On one hand some companies started using healthier ingredients plus other companies realised that there was a market for healthy and natural ingredients in our food. On the other hand companies just simply used alternative names for these ingredients and in most cases simply using the scientific names and those looking out for E numbers were foiled, well a proportion of them anyways. But regardless we still consume products with harmful ingredients. For example the artificial sweetener "Aspartame" is rumoured to cause cancer, including Brain Tumours. Palm oil is used is most fast food restaurants (McDonnalds, Burger King and more) and is also used in an amazing amount of Butters, margarines, oils, biscuits, cakes and so on. Palm Oil is known to have one of the highest levels of Trans Fats of any of the commercially used oils and is possibly one of, if not the worst, one of these oils for us. However it is being used in abundance and is only increasing in use. And this is not even to take into its environmental impact. The problem with most of these things is that the funding available for these kind of studies is not available and while these large corporations have money to burn to protect their lively hood. But we are now moving into a political discussion and while its one I am willing to have this is not the forum for it.
What I am trying to get at is that we simply do not know enough, and there is not enough energy put into looking into it.
What I would like is simply to come out of the other end of this thread a little more knowledgeable about the subject. And later go on to learn a bit more.Yea but this is it, who does know? Cause I would like to. We supposedly have a better standard of living than 100 years ago and yet people are dying from stuff that simply was not around then. So why? I am sure its a combination of a lot of factors but which ones.
And I totally agree with you. We should have our priorities straight. A healthier life style and a healthy weight is important as obesity is probably the largest medical crisis we are likely to suffer from in the next 50 years.
Personally I am obese. I am 6'1" and 18 stone. I was 19 2 weeks ago though. However, I have been had some medical issues that had kept me on crutches and some times bed ridden for long periods of times over the last 4-5 years and I have put a log of weight on. About a year ago we started to figure out what was wrong with me and I am much better now. A year ago a 15 min walk would result in a lot of pain in my knee and ankle joints and if I pushed it I would end up needing the crutches again. Now I am walking for hours without much more than just being tired and having sore feet. (in fact tomorrow morning I am walking from Contarf to Houth and over the next few months I hope to build up to a 20 mile round trip up and over Houth).
When I got sick I put a lot of weight on quick but stabilised after some time. But due to the fact that I could not move around (well this is my excuse and I'm sticking to it) meant I did not loose any of it.
Regardless of all this I have been cooking for myself for years and I try to use ingredients that are as healthy as I can afford.
However none of this changes the fact that I simply do not know enough about the kinds of things my body is exposed to on a daily or weekly basis. And I am sure I am not the only one
I'm not sure people really are dying of stuff that wasn't around 100 years ago. The average age of death has risen mainly because the calculation of the average is not weighed down by so many people dying at birth . For example, if you said the following ages of death existed in 1910 :0, 0,0,2,3,10,12,83,79,92 then the average life expectancy would be around 30 ish but if you said in 2010 the ages of death were: 0, 23,25,45,67,78,76,79,83,92 the average would be somewhere close to 60 - why? because so many more people lived beyond child birth, infancy, childhood and teenage years (didn't die of diseases we can now cure)
What you probably need to do is join weight watchers and learn how to eat towards what your body needs vs. what your fat stores and extra pounds dictate to your brain what you are now currently eating. The first week is a killer and you have to keep up your exercise and resist the bodies urge to slow down and conserve energy. What you will find is initially you'll lose a huge amount (maybe 9 lbs) which is mainly a loss of water weight tied up in glycogen in your muscles and also due to an easing of constipation as your diet gets healthier and less full of fat. Then you might lose 1/2 to 2 lbs a week (and sometimes gain back a little too) but as your fat stores are lost and your stomach tightens up a bit it actually gets easy to diet.
Fat in your body, I suspect, is really a major cause of cancer because fats decompose chemically by free radical mechanisms i.e. go off in your body. Therefore keep as little fat stores as possible (i.e. maintain a healthy weight). Another one to watch is to balance your meat intake with a good source of folic acid because two important nutrients are Folic Acid and the amino acid Methionine. Methionine from meat diets is utilised in the co factor s- adenylmethionine (SAM) which is involved in turning off genes in cells while folic acid tends to oppose this. Turning off genes that repair damaged cells or that autodestruct damaged cells is a bad idea and is possibly what causes genetic damage to build up in cells that preludes cancer developing. Colon cancer was studied as the model for cancer development and the current theory of cancer (that a single cell becomes cancerous and divides uncontrollably into a tumor (stem cell cancer)) was derived from these studies. A Noble prize was awarded for the discovery of this cancer pathway (Beta- catenin) and became the basis for 99 % of cancer research. However, more recently in 2006 the folic acid/ methionine theory of cancer causation has been demonstrated in colon cancer and appears to be a more complete theory (Epigenetic theory of cancer)...its suggesting you should eat less meat and more vegs!
The folic acid/ methionine imbalance is thought to be behind the puzzling genetics of a lot of mental disorders such as mania, depression, schizophrenia etc. Feeding huge doses of methionine to lab animals tends to alter their mood badly. The search for genes involved in mental disorders has thrown up a legion of weak candidates and this hole human genome project has never delivered the goods as to the cause of these diseases at a gene level. Its now thought levels of folic acid at the early stages of the embryo and possibly unknown viruses/ infections may cause the initial damage to brain architecture that results in the development of these mental illnesses later on in life.
... so what I'm saying yet again is diet and the big things such as meat, fat, veg is probably going to be a lot more important than micronutrients or vitamins you take or the e numbers or aspartame you worry about. I suspect these divert people from the real issues...being overweight, drinking too much alcohol etc...
Alcohol... a nasty under regulated toxin that people would devour you for criticising and yet our strong wines and spirits (>10%) are probably a big cause of cancer. In cell biology labs commonly induce apoptosis ( the autodestruct mechanism of all cells vital in halting cancer cells) with 10 % v/v alcohol. This is weaker than lidl wines!!!!! So, imagine if you drank a lot of wine regularly....you kill off lots of cells in your oesophagus every night...no harm. But how about 1 cell in 1000 survives each time you drink strong booze. Over time you select apoptosis resistant cells and therefore you are breeding your cells to resist death...which is what cancer cells do
...now see how many Irish people would support my arguement against strong spirits and wine drinking (because its booze) vs. the legions of people worrying about E222 being a health hazard.
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Dara Robinson wrote: »Well there are foods that help your body along, plus minerals and vitamins that help your body work more efficiently and so on. Thats what I was talking about. Yea and I'm not into the crazy spa fad crapola. I think the feet patches and the like are the kind of thing that opinion guy was talking about earlier. I am more interested in finding out what we can do to help the body keep its self clean as we have a great machine, we just keep dumping crap into it Prime, things dont scare me cause they have long names. I'm a nub. Plus I am not changing my entire life just because of this video. Simply that this has brought to the fore front again something that I have been meaning to look into and potentially change about my life. There is no denying that we consume things on a daily basis that are harmful to us, and this is something my family has been aware of for years and I learnt from a young age. Back in the late 80's and early 90's people realised that E numbers were, for the most part, bad for you and sales of products containing E numbered ingredients dropped. While this did trigger a change it was 2 fold. On one hand some companies started using healthier ingredients plus other companies realised that there was a market for healthy and natural ingredients in our food. On the other hand companies just simply used alternative names for these ingredients and in most cases simply using the scientific names and those looking out for E numbers were foiled, well a proportion of them anyways. But regardless we still consume products with harmful ingredients. For example the artificial sweetener "Aspartame" is rumoured to cause cancer, including Brain Tumours. Palm oil is used is most fast food restaurants (McDonnalds, Burger King and more) and is also used in an amazing amount of Butters, margarines, oils, biscuits, cakes and so on. Palm Oil is known to have one of the highest levels of Trans Fats of any of the commercially used oils and is possibly one of, if not the worst, one of these oils for us. However it is being used in abundance and is only increasing in use. And this is not even to take into its environmental impact. The problem with most of these things is that the funding available for these kind of studies is not available and while these large corporations have money to burn to protect their lively hood. But we are now moving into a political discussion and while its one I am willing to have this is not the forum for it.
What I am trying to get at is that we simply do not know enough, and there is not enough energy put into looking into it.
What I would like is simply to come out of the other end of this thread a little more knowledgeable about the subject. And later go on to learn a bit more.Yea but this is it, who does know? Cause I would like to. We supposedly have a better standard of living than 100 years ago and yet people are dying from stuff that simply was not around then. So why? I am sure its a combination of a lot of factors but which ones.
And I totally agree with you. We should have our priorities straight. A healthier life style and a healthy weight is important as obesity is probably the largest medical crisis we are likely to suffer from in the next 50 years.
Personally I am obese. I am 6'1" and 18 stone. I was 19 2 weeks ago though. However, I have been had some medical issues that had kept me on crutches and some times bed ridden for long periods of times over the last 4-5 years and I have put a log of weight on. About a year ago we started to figure out what was wrong with me and I am much better now. A year ago a 15 min walk would result in a lot of pain in my knee and ankle joints and if I pushed it I would end up needing the crutches again. Now I am walking for hours without much more than just being tired and having sore feet. (in fact tomorrow morning I am walking from Contarf to Houth and over the next few months I hope to build up to a 20 mile round trip up and over Houth).
When I got sick I put a lot of weight on quick but stabilised after some time. But due to the fact that I could not move around (well this is my excuse and I'm sticking to it) meant I did not loose any of it.
Regardless of all this I have been cooking for myself for years and I try to use ingredients that are as healthy as I can afford.
However none of this changes the fact that I simply do not know enough about the kinds of things my body is exposed to on a daily or weekly basis. And I am sure I am not the only one
I'm not sure people really are dying of stuff that wasn't around 100 years ago. The average age of death has risen mainly because the calculation of the average is not weighed down by so many people dying at birth . For example, if you said the following ages of death existed in 1910 :0, 0,0,2,3,10,12,83,79,92 then the average life expectancy would be around 30 ish but if you said in 2010 the ages of death were: 0, 23,25,45,67,78,76,79,83,92 the average would be somewhere close to 60 - why? because so many more people lived beyond child birth, infancy, childhood and teenage years (didn't die of diseases we can now cure)
What you probably need to do is join weight watchers and learn how to eat towards what your body needs vs. what your fat stores and extra pounds dictate to your brain what you are now currently eating. The first week is a killer and you have to keep up your exercise and resist the bodies urge to slow down and conserve energy. What you will find is initially you'll lose a huge amount (maybe 9 lbs) which is mainly a loss of water weight tied up in glycogen in your muscles and also due to an easing of constipation as your diet gets healthier and less full of fat. Then you might lose 1/2 to 2 lbs a week (and sometimes gain back a little too) but as your fat stores are lost and your stomach tightens up a bit it actually gets easy to diet.
Fat in your body, I suspect, is really a major cause of cancer because fats decompose chemically by free radical mechanisms i.e. go off in your body. Therefore keep as little fat stores as possible (i.e. maintain a healthy weight). Another one to watch is to balance your meat intake with a good source of folic acid because two important nutrients are Folic Acid and the amino acid Methionine. Methionine from meat diets is utilised in the co factor s- adenylmethionine (SAM) which is involved in turning off genes in cells while folic acid tends to oppose this. Turning off genes that repair damaged cells or that autodestruct damaged cells is a bad idea and is possibly what causes genetic damage to build up in cells that preludes cancer developing. Colon cancer was studied as the model for cancer development and the current theory of cancer (that a single cell becomes cancerous and divides uncontrollably into a tumor (stem cell cancer)) was derived from these studies. A Noble prize was awarded for the discovery of this cancer pathway (Beta- catenin) and became the basis for 99 % of cancer research. However, more recently in 2006 the folic acid/ methionine theory of cancer causation has been demonstrated in colon cancer and appears to be a more complete theory (Epigenetic theory of cancer)...its suggesting you should eat less meat and more vegs!
The folic acid/ methionine imbalance is thought to be behind the puzzling genetics of a lot of mental disorders such as mania, depression, schizophrenia etc. Feeding huge doses of methionine to lab animals tends to alter their mood badly. The search for genes involved in mental disorders has thrown up a legion of weak candidates and this hole human genome project has never delivered the goods as to the cause of these diseases at a gene level. Its now thought levels of folic acid at the early stages of the embryo and possibly unknown viruses/ infections may cause the initial damage to brain architecture that results in the development of these mental illnesses later on in life.
... so what I'm saying yet again is diet and the big things such as meat, fat, veg is probably going to be a lot more important than micronutrients or vitamins you take or the e numbers or aspartame you worry about. I suspect these divert people from the real issues...being overweight, drinking too much alcohol etc...
Alcohol... a nasty under regulated toxin that people would devour you for criticising and yet our strong wines and spirits (>10%) are probably a big cause of cancer. In cell biology labs commonly induce apoptosis ( the autodestruct mechanism of all cells vital in halting cancer cells) with 10 % v/v alcohol. This is weaker than lidl wines!!!!! So, imagine if you drank a lot of wine regularly....you kill off lots of cells in your oesophagus every night...no harm. But how about 1 cell in 1000 survives each time you drink strong booze. Over time you select apoptosis resistant cells and therefore you are breeding your cells to resist death...which is what cancer cells do
...now see how many Irish people would support my arguement against strong spirits and wine drinking (because its booze) vs. the legions of people worrying about E222 being a health hazard.
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