Does Chael Sonnen deserve to be fighting Anderson Silva?

Gekko74

I really don't think he deserves this title shot. What three victories in a row gets you a title shot. I mean he lost to the last guy to mount a challenge to the title and his three wins all go to decisions.

Is he getting this fight and a big secret bonus on the understanding that he'd hype the fight to ridiculous levels and go toe to toe with Silva.

Is there no one else they could have matched up Silva with?

unknown13

Yes, he beat two very good fighters (Okami and Marquardt)

Gekko74

What? And that's the basis for a title shot?

rovert

Dana wanted someone to go after him after the Dubai fight. Thats it really.

unknown13

Gekko74 wrote: »

What? And that's the basis for a title shot?

Okami and Marquardt are both top 10 guys

Fromvert

Gekko74 wrote: »

What? And that's the basis for a title shot?

I think it is. The only other person I can think of at 185 is Vitor and he's getting the next shot and coming back from an injury.

What do you think makes someone deserve a title shot? Who do you think should be getting it?

Gekko74

Fromvert wrote: »

I think it is. The only other person I can think of at 185 is Vitor and he's getting the next shot and coming back from an injury.

What do you think makes someone deserve a title shot? Who do you think should be getting it?

Jake Shields. What I'm really saying is that there's a lack of quality in this weight division compared to Silva. They should have moved sooner for Shields, but I guess once he beats Kampmann he'll be next in line.

SDTimeout

Realistically he was next due to Vitors shoulder injury anyway.

Only person i would say would have had a case in terms of fighting him as an outside was Belcher. With the winner then getting Silva/Vitor

SDTimeout

Gekko74 wrote: »

Jake Shields. What I'm really saying is that there's a lack of quality in this weight division compared to Silva. They should have moved sooner for Shields, but I guess once he beats Kampmann he'll be next in line.

Shields will be fighting at WW...Not to mention Sonnen would have a better chance than Shields at being Silva. Coupled with the fact both couldn't sell a fight to a fan with a gift card.

Fromvert

Gekko74 wrote: »

Jake Shields. What I'm really saying is that there's a lack of quality in this weight division compared to Silva. They should have moved sooner for Shields, but I guess once he beats Kampmann he'll be next in line.

Shields is fighting at 170 lbs and is staying there if you listen to what Dana says. So he's out too. The UFC had to wait for Shields contract to finish before they could sign him.

MrStuffins

Gekko74 wrote: »

Jake Shields. What I'm really saying is that there's a lack of quality in this weight division compared to Silva. They should have moved sooner for Shields, but I guess once he beats Kampmann he'll be next in line.

Jake Sheilds wasn't even on the UFC roster when the fight was decided on.

And Jake Sheilds hasn't been fighting the best Middleweights in the world like Chael Sonnen has been.

Marquart and Okami are both Top 10 MWs in the world. There's simply nobody else worthy of a shot (excluding Vitor who had to pull out)

scudzilla

Lets put things into perspective here guys.

His record against Jeremy Horn is 0-3 :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

MrStuffins

scudzilla wrote: »

Lets put things into perspective here guys.

His record against Jeremy Horn is 0-3 :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

That means nothing in fairness.

Anderson Silva's record v Ryo Chonan is 0-1. Doesn't mean a thing!

ScareGilly

Who gives a sh1t? How many MMA fights did Brock have when he fought for the championship?

And if you want to name someone that should've got it ahead of him go ahead..

Gekko74

Sonnens Record.

Win - UFC 109: Feb-2010-R3 Decision - Unanimous - Nate Marquardt
Win - UFC 104: Oct-2009-R3 Decision - Unanimous - Yushin Okami
Win - UFC 98: May-2009 Decision - Unanimous - Dan Miller
Loss - UFC 95: Feb-2009-R1 Submission - Demian Maia
Loss - UFC 60: May-2006-R2 Submission - Jeremy Horn
Win - UFC Fight Night 4: Apr-2006-R3 Decision - Unanimous TrevorPrangley
Loss - UFC 55: Oct-2005-R2 Submission - Renato Sobral

ScareGilly

Gekko74 wrote: »

Sonnens Record.

Win - UFC 109: Feb-2010-R3 Decision - Unanimous - Nate Marquardt
Win - UFC 104: Oct-2009-R3 Decision - Unanimous - Yushin Okami
Win - UFC 98: May-2009 Decision - Unanimous - Dan Miller
Loss - UFC 95: Feb-2009-R1 Submission - Demian Maia
Loss - UFC 60: May-2006-R2 Submission - Jeremy Horn
Win - UFC Fight Night 4: Apr-2006-R3 Decision - Unanimous TrevorPrangley
Loss - UFC 55: Oct-2005-R2 Submission - Renato Sobral

3 wins in a row? Last two against top 10 fighters? Okami is rumoured to be one fight away from a title shot too. Nate was a top contender before the Sonnen fight too.

How does he not qualify? And you still haven't posted a suitable replacement for him.

MrStuffins

Gekko74 wrote: »

Sonnens Record.

Win - UFC 109: Feb-2010-R3 Decision - Unanimous - Nate Marquardt
Win - UFC 104: Oct-2009-R3 Decision - Unanimous - Yushin Okami
Win - UFC 98: May-2009 Decision - Unanimous - Dan Miller
Loss - UFC 95: Feb-2009-R1 Submission - Demian Maia
Loss - UFC 60: May-2006-R2 Submission - Jeremy Horn
Win - UFC Fight Night 4: Apr-2006-R3 Decision - Unanimous TrevorPrangley
Loss - UFC 55: Oct-2005-R2 Submission - Renato Sobral

Do you live in a Universe where the only MMA organisation in the world is UFC?

Who do you think should be fighting Silva instead then? Instead of telling us who SHOULDN'T be fighting (or picking fighters from the wrong weight division), who SHOULD have his shot instead?

If you have no actual replacement and a reason they deserve it more, than i can't help but pull out the "T" word... and i don't like to do it

Gekko74

Gekko74 wrote: »

Jake Shields. What I'm really saying is that there's a lack of quality in this weight division compared to Silva. They should have moved sooner for Shields, but I guess once he beats Kampmann he'll be next in line.

Did I not say Jake Shields? Has he not come from Strikeforce?

Fromvert

Gekko74 wrote: »

Did I not say Jake Shields? Has he not come from Strikeforce?

He is fighting at 170 and not at 185. Try again.

MrStuffins

Gekko74 wrote: »

Did I not say Jake Shields? Has he not come from Strikeforce?

SDTimeout wrote: »

Shields will be fighting at WW....

Fromvert wrote: »

Shields is fighting at 170 lbs and is staying there if you listen to what Dana says. So he's out too. The UFC had to wait for Shields contract to finish before they could sign him.

MrStuffins wrote: »

Jake Sheilds wasn't even on the UFC roster when the fight was decided on.

Did you read your own thread?

ScareGilly

Gekko74 wrote: »

Did I not say Jake Shields? Has he not come from Strikeforce?

He's fighting at WW! Not MW... He's also just moved from Strikeforce where the fighters are a 'B' class compared to the UFC's fighters. Also, you were trying to make a point that Sonnen is boring because his fights have gone to a UD. Have you seen Jake Shields fight?!?

rovert

Say Chung Le, Gekko74

Gekko74

rovert wrote: »

Say Chung Le, Gekko74

Thanks rovert.

From a style point of few it could make an interesting fight but at 37 it would be just wasting time.

If Mousasi could cut back to 185 he could be the one but he said he wouldn't.

But seriously Ricardo Almeida (12-3) would be a decent pick. Probably in two fights time. Beating Hughes won't have him up to the level he needs to be but fighting a top 3 guy after that would. Almeida has only lost one fight in his last 11.

MrStuffins

Gekko74 wrote: »

Thanks rovert.

From a style point of few it could make an interesting fight but at 37 it would be just wasting time.

If Mousasi could cut back to 185 he could be the one but he said he wouldn't.

But seriously Ricardo Almeida (12-3) would be a decent pick. Probably in two fights time. Beating Hughes won't have him up to the level he needs to be but fighting a top 3 guy after that would. Almeida has only lost one fight in his last 11.

Dude, you realise Anderson Silva is the MIDDLEWEIGHT Champion right?

(PS...... Silva is only 2 years Le's junior)

Gekko74

MrStuffins wrote: »

Dude, you realise Anderson Silva is the MIDDLEWEIGHT Champion right?

(PS...... Silva is only 2 years Le's junior)

I do realise he's the MIDDLEWEIGHT Champion, why? It's 3 in the morning, explain.

MrStuffins

Gekko74 wrote: »

I do realise he's the MIDDLEWEIGHT Champion, why? It's 3 in the morning, explain.

Ricardo Almeida is a Welterweight

Gekko74

But he has fought at 185 and still could. He listed on the UFC as a 185lb'er

MrStuffins

Gekko74 wrote: »

But he has fought at 185 and still could. He listed on the UFC as a 185lb'er

Well last night the scale said 170lbs

Gekko74

I know it did, but this is a grudge match, might have taken it just to fight Hughes. After it he might move up.

MrStuffins

Gekko74 wrote: »

I know it did, but this is a grudge match, might have taken it just to fight Hughes. After it he might move up.

He made a permanent move to WW! He fought Matt Brown at 170.

Anyway, your thread is about whether Sonnen DESERVES a title shot. Almeida certainly does not!

He's never beaten a Top 10 guy in the UFC anyway.

Gekko74

MrStuffins wrote: »

He made a permanent move to WW! He fought Matt Brown at 170.

Anyway, your thread is about whether Sonnen DESERVES a title shot. Almeida certainly does not!

He's never beaten a Top 10 guy in the UFC anyway.

Does Sonnen DESERVE a title shot. Maybe it's because I really don't like him, I wanted Okami to fight Silva but Sonnen beat him and the other contender Sonnen beat also, on that basis you could say he does. But his record in my opinion doesn't deserve a title shot. But that's my opinion. More quality is badly needed in this division or Silva gets out of it.

MrStuffins

Gekko74 wrote: »

Does Sonnen DESERVE a title shot. Maybe it's because I really don't like him, I wanted Okami to fight Silva but Sonnen beat him and the other contender Sonnen beat also, on that basis you could say he does. But his record in my opinion doesn't deserve a title shot. But that's my opinion. More quality is badly needed in this division or Silva gets out of it.

It's just a symptom of Silva being so good and dominant!

There aren't any other TOP quality MWs in the world to add to the division. Not at the moment anyway.

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:pac::pac::pac:

Insect Overlord

No doubts about it now!
Awesome performance, great fight.

MrStuffins

Spoiler tags lads? For anyone reading tomorrow

SDTimeout

Dear OP

Would you liek some salt and pepper with that egg on your face.

Tones69

Gekko74 wrote: »

Does Sonnen DESERVE a title shot. Maybe it's because I really don't like him, I wanted Okami to fight Silva but Sonnen beat him and the other contender Sonnen beat also, on that basis you could say he does. But his record in my opinion doesn't deserve a title shot. But that's my opinion. More quality is badly needed in this division or Silva gets out of it.

Yeah he does and he proved it lastnite

Minstrel27

This thread pleases me.

MrStuffins

Minstrel27 wrote: »

This thread pleases me.

Read the thread

and now consider that the guy who started it and was posting in it is apparently involved in an MMA website and is looking for contributors!

MMABay have some competition!

Minstrel27

MrStuffins wrote: »

Read the thread

Once was enough

consultech

Hmmm, this thread was on the money...

mwin80

********SPOILER***********


He was picked for the fight because he would go at Silva and force him to fight and that's exactly what he did. Dana White was furious over the fiasco of the Silva V Maia fight and he wanted to put Silva against somebody who wouldn't let him dance around and showboat. Chael delivered on his promise. I think despite his loss he's silenced the critics that did not rate him going into this fight.