Bring back the good sonics

Tallon

This song made me even more excited for sonic 4 as if that was even possible

http://alexdaymusic.com/sonic/



Love it

Verse: G#m, F#m, E, D
Bridge: E, B, C#m, A (F# at the end)
Chorus: B, F#, E, F#
Intro/Outro: B

June 23rd 1991
Let loose, I knew you were born to run
Six zones, one boss, it was all I needed
Dashing, ring collecting, unimpeded

But now you’re everything from half a werewolf to a race car driver
You’ve lost some weight and your eyes are greener than I recall
And as I understand there was a game where you became King Arthur
Bring back the days when playing Sonic was still cool

Keep your princesses cos
Sonic doesn’t need a story
He runs fast and gets rings and loop-de-loops his way into your heart
Sega, learn from your mistakes
Now it’s time to sit down and leave out the cutscenes cos we don’t care anymore

We accepted Tails and Knuckles too
Flickies took some time but they were cute
Chaotix started to push my patience
Amy Rose was an abomination

His name could be Robotnik, but it could be Eggman, what’s it matter
As long as he still has that flying egg machine
Don’t let me play as him or tell me more about his dead grandfather
Just swing his marble ball and chain across the screen

Keep your Olympic games cos
Sonic doesn’t need a story
He runs fast and gets rings and loop-de-loops his way into your heart
Sega, learn from your mistakes
Now it’s time to sit down and leave out the cutscenes cos we don’t care anymore

Don’t want Silver
Don’t want Dark Gaia
Don’t want Rouge the bat
Don’t want Blaze the cat
Don’t want Shadow
Don’t want Shadow
Don’t want Shadow
Don’t want Shadow

Hover skates are not the same as running at the speed of sound
Hover skates are not the same as running at the speed of sound

© 2010 by Alex Day

Jack burton

Sega need to listen to that song

Myrddin

Hope you enjoy Soni4 more than I did. I too was living for this, a back to basics updated 2d Sonic game, count me in all day long.

However, for me it doesn't "feel" at all like a Sonic game. Sonic just feels too heavy, and I just can't get my head around the new jump physics :mad: Why would something thats travelling forward in mid air, suddenly stop moving forward & just drop straight down if the d-pad is released?

Warren3

I loved the sonic cd song but I found that a bit creepy............

feckhead

Retr0gamer

2.5D isn't needed. If they did some gorgeous pixel art it will look better.

ghostchant

I'm not a fan of 2.5D at all, compared to 2D sprites it just looks ugly

feckhead

Retr0gamer wrote: »

2.5D isn't needed. If they did some gorgeous pixel art it will look better.

No, 3D isn't needed. Agreed the pixel art would look so much better, but Sega seem hell bent on making Sonic in 3D. So why not make a comprimise? 3D characters on a 2D plane. I could certainly live with that if they got the control and level design right.

CiDeRmAn

And don't turn it into a verison of New Super Mario Bros, the gameplay of Sonic is fast, so get the team that made the excellent Sonic Rush series for the GBA and DS and get them to make a new title for the 360/PS3 with, as Retro says, some awesome animated art, proper Metal Slug level animated pixel work, done by people who love what they do and not going through the motions to produce an XXXX-TREEEEEMMMMEEEE Sonic game, if you know what I mean.

Retr0gamer

Eh, play the old games. The gameplay of Sonic isn't fast at all after the initial level or two. It's really slow like a normal platformer. It's a series of slow platforming sections in between fast sections that reward you for getting past the slow platforming section. Of course Sega hasn't realised this at all.

CiDeRmAn

Not sure I agree, I have old games of course and much of the action is done at speed, certainly all at a pace quite different from Mario titles.
Perhaps the truth is Mario has always been a far richer series in terms of gameplay, whilst Sonic is more of a one trick pony, we always get nostalgic for a return to the gameplay of the Sonic games of old but never do that regarding Mario, we are more disappointed if it has not evolved in some way.

Retr0gamer

Play the games again and after the first stage see how much of the game when you are in control is taken at a very pedestrian pace. The fast sections are just roller coaster rides. you turn into a ball and let the game take you where it wants you. The problem with the new games is that the are constantly speedy and at that speed you have no control over your character. As good as Sonic Rush was it was mostly these speed run sections with no control over your character. There's plenty of dick move bottomless pits in that game that are unavoidable unless you know where they are, a problem not in the old sonic games.

CiDeRmAn

Have a look at this, new footage from another new Sonic game, this time on the Wii.
Now I know it's in 3D but I have a feeling it could be different this time, certainly the visuals look great, and the speed is there, once it flows well and you feel more than a spectator who only needs to flick the Wiimote to keep the speed run going!

Anywho, here's the clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCLs0jv_Efk

It's kinda telling that, like Super Mario Galaxy 2, this game, despite the "lack" of horsepower of the Wii compared to the PS3 and 360 looks better than much of the efforts on those consoles, certainly looks the better Sonic game.

Shapey Fiend

The first 3 Sonic games (I'm including CD in this, didn't like 3/S&K) were made by developers at the peak of their powers. The finest level design and graphic design work you can't just clone cheaply. Anybody who was expecting 4 to even hold a candle to those games when it's outsourced to a Dimps (and probably not their best team either, it's a download game) is crazy.

Andrew76

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Have a look at this, new footage from another new Sonic game, this time on the Wii.
Now I know it's in 3D but I have a feeling it could be different this time, certainly the visuals look great, and the speed is there, once it flows well and you feel more than a spectator who only needs to flick the Wiimote to keep the speed run going!

Anywho, here's the clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCLs0jv_Efk

It's kinda telling that, like Super Mario Galaxy 2, this game, despite the "lack" of horsepower of the Wii compared to the PS3 and 360 looks better than much of the efforts on those consoles, certainly looks the better Sonic game.

Sure that's the right clip? Grange Hill - Just Say No song??

CiDeRmAn

Ah, you know I did something wrong there!
I pasted a link from a comment I left elsewhere on boards.ie, apologies.
And as soon as I get to a pc I'll post the right link.
Grange Hill is cool though!

Retr0gamer

If ciderman was trying to post a Sonic Colours video then I'd like to say Sonic Colours looks **** for all the same reasons as all the other sonic games. Too fast, uncontrollably so.

Just say no indeed.

CiDeRmAn

Ah, here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0gVN1u9G38&feature=player_embedded

And I think it has potential this time.

Or at least I'm willing to give Sonic Team time the benefit of the doubt, before they inevitably disappoint me again!

Shapey Fiend

The names of the dev teams don't really mean much at Sega anymore. They pay **** money so half the time their new games are made by a load of fresh out of college kids who don't know their arse from their elbow. Even before Yuji Naka left a couple of the other main members jumped ship to Naughty Dog and Artoon.

NeoKubrick

feckhead wrote: »

No, 3D isn't needed. Agreed the pixel art would look so much better, but Sega seem hell bent on making Sonic in 3D. So why not make a comprimise? 3D characters on a 2D plane. I could certainly live with that if they got the control and level design right.

3D is needed. Everything that needed to be said about the 2D platforming genre has already been said, and for developers, its only use now is to play around with the mechanics. Obviously, it would be difficult for Sega to create a game like Braid, Limbo et cetera with the Sonic brand; therefore, unless Sega copy the co-op play found in New Super Mario Bros. Wii, there isn't much of a future for the series to trade off former glory.

That said, I've never rated the 2D Sonic games. I found that Sonic Adventure 2 (the only 3D Sonic I've played) was a better game than any of the 2D Sonics I played.

Retr0gamer

NeoKubrick wrote: »

That said, I've never rated the 2D Sonic games. I found that Sonic Adventure 2 (the only 3D Sonic I've played) was a better game than any of the 2D Sonics I played.

You're crazy, especially simce sonic adventure 2 wasn't that good either.

CiDeRmAn

So the question is will there ever be a really good 3d sonic game? Or is he destined for a lifetime of cameo roles in Sega theme sports and racing games?

o1s1n

I always wonder how the whole 3D Sonic thing would have developed if Xtreme was released rather than canceled.

Retr0gamer

Xtreme kind of looked **** to be honest.

I also think there were no good 3D sonic games. Adventure was hugely overrated imo.

Shapey Fiend

There was one level on Sonic Adventure 1 that was deadly.. Lost World or something? Looked gorgeous, the music was amazing and the balance between fast and slow bits was great. It had really creative environmental obstacles as well with the thing letting you walk on walls and the bit where you had to light torches. Rest of the game was all over the place though.

o1s1n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Xtreme kind of looked **** to be honest.

I also think there were no good 3D sonic games. Adventure was hugely overrated imo.

I think Xtreme looks a lot more faithful gameplay wise to the originals than any other 3d sonic game. It's mostly standard platforming with a few speed bits in between like you were saying.

Just take a look at this. The whole fish eye thing is a bit dated now, but I think it would have done well if it was released. Certainly nowhere near as bad as that steaming pile of ****e that is Sonic R -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzvS_beXtXk

Retr0gamer

Sonic R is awesome...

wait a minute Sonic R is **** but the music is awesome!

Oh wait wrong again...

Ah! Sonic R's lyrics are so terrible that it's awesome!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKeTuZ-zoeA

Living in the City.... It's dangerous.

djimi

I was playing Sonic 2 again last night for what must have been the millionth time and honesly I dont think there have been many games (overall, not just Sonic) made that even rival it, let alone better it. None of the Sonic games that came afterwards were as good; the only other one I liked after it was Sonic and Knuckles, but even that wasnt the same. The ones on the DS would have been good if it wasnt for the idiotic split screen.

Sonic 3D has been tried and failed. Sonic is a 2D platforming masterpiece. Any attempt to convert it to 3D is going to pale in comparison.

Stiltzkin

djimi wrote: »

I was playing Sonic 2 again last night for what must have been the millionth time and honesly I dont think there have been many games (overall, not just Sonic) made that even rival it, let alone better it. None of the Sonic games that came afterwards were as good; the only other one I liked after it was Sonic and Knuckles, but even that wasnt the same. The ones on the DS would have been good if it wasnt for the idiotic split screen.

Sonic 3D has been tried and failed. Sonic is a 2D platforming masterpiece. Any attempt to convert it to 3D is going to pale in comparison.

Sonic 2d ftw my boy.
Sonic 4 is going to be the greatest game fail in Sega history.It all went downhill from Sonic heroes.:/:mad:
But if anyone wants a NEW sonic 2d experience,check these out.
Sonic Megamix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLE5XFkbN6U
this is really worth a play.