Facebook row and IP address

LegacyUser

Ok im really worried cos I signed up to facebook with a fake profile to tell an old friend wat i thought of her, basically i said i would kick her ass and called her all the names under the sun then i get a message back saying saying she has/getting my ISP address and is going to come after me :0 Is it possible for her to do this??? How could she locate my ISP from facebook that easily??

LegacyUser

Yhea think so but tbh her coming after you is the least of your worries, I would be more concerned about the fact that you thought it was ok to use facebook to let her know how you felt, if she has done something that bad why not tell her in person?

Big Bag of Chips

She can report you to Facebook and they have all information they need to find you.

If she wants to persue it/you, you could expect a knock on the door from the guards soon enough. The case of Phoebe Prince in Boston has really brought internet bullying to the headlines, and people tend not to treat it too lightly.

Not the cleverest thing to do, was it.

Sean Quagmire

So you told her you'd kick her ass, and your scared incase she kicks yours??

Stupid thing to do really but no, she cannot get yout IP Address from a FB message and even if she had it would only give a rough estimation of where you are.

Canard

Well, Facebook can check the IP and look at what accounts are signed up from it. So yes, she can find out if Facebook disclose it.

token56

First of all, that was a pretty silly thing to do. I dont know exactly what they did to you or what the issue is, but bullying and threatening them through Facebook is first of all extremely childish and immature and just stupid in the extreme.

Regarding your actual question, I dont think Facebook would be able to just give her your IP address under the Data Protection Act, I stand to be correct on this but I think the only facebook could give out your IP address is if the Garda become involved and ask facebook for it. Even then they wouldn't give it to this girl, so no I dont think she has got it through Facebook anyway.

OP, I'd recommend you delete your account, try to bury whatever issue you have with this person, learn from this and try to grow up a bit.

whatsamsn

Dont worry op.

Token is right,
in order for her to gain your IP, the garda would have to get involved and contact facebook, and trust me, they wont be bothered by that.

In fact, they only ever listen to someone when the issue happens alot. I've known people who got prank phone calls. What did the garda say? "Just log each call in a book when you get them" (fob off answer)

I've known someone who also got hacked. Gardai turned around and was just honest saying "The garda wont look into it, unless its a serious case where extreme foul play was involved" (In other words, wont look into petty things unless it gets extreme)

Of course, there has been exceptions as proven on the news. But op, dont worry & dont do it again
This girl saying she contacted Facebook and they gave her the ip? ... Complete lies

Nevyn

If the stupid threaths you made were serious enough she can report it and get the garda invovled and trace it back from facebook to your internet provider and have you up on charges.

Cuddlesworth

Never going to happen. Facebook, the guards and the ISP will not bother releasing or investigating it.

The real question is, what sort of coward does this?

petes

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Never going to happen. Facebook, the guards and the ISP will not bother releasing or investigating it.

The real question is, what sort of coward does this?

So if the girl in question made a complaint to the Gardai you are saying they won't follow it up?

keithclancy

Insurgent wrote: »

So if the girl in question made a complaint to the Gardai you are saying they won't follow it up?

Very easy,

Gardai --> Court Order --> Facebook

IP Address --> ISP -- Address of Person.

In the case of Personal Threats of violence they are followed up, the person would have to be willing to follow it all the way through to court for the Gardai to pursue it.

Most people don't understand that theres no reason for the Gardai to look into it unless they stand to get a prosecution out of it and most people just couldnt be arsed.

Cuddlesworth

Insurgent wrote: »

So if the girl in question made a complaint to the Gardai you are saying they won't follow it up?

They would have to get a court order to get the details from facebook. Assuming he wasn't a complete retard they would then have to get a court order to get his information from his ISP. Then they would have to interview him, provide some more evidence then just his IP address and try try to prosecute. When he hasn't actually done anything besides harass her over the net that's not even close to a remote possibility with our police force and courts.

Karmafaerie

First off no she can't get your IP.

Secondly even if she did, all it would tell her is who your internet service provider is.

Thirdly, Seeing as there's a 99% chance you have a dynamic IP as nearly all internet users in Ireland do, there's no chance that she could find out what user had that IP at that time.

So she could under no means track you down.


However she could pass the info onto Facebook and the Gardai, who would be able to contact your ISP and find out which customer was assigned that IP address at that time.

So yes she could track you down, but lets be honest it's unlikely that this is going to happen.

Lastly, bullying under any form is dispicable and I hope you learn something from this if nothing else.
Hopefully the scare will have done you a bit of good and served a purpose.

Karmafaerie

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

They would have to get a court order to get the details from facebook. Assuming he wasn't a complete retard they would then have to get a court order to get his information from his ISP. Then they would have to interview him, provide some more evidence then just his IP address and try try to prosecute. When he hasn't actually done anything besides harass her over the net that's not even close to a remote possibility with our police force and courts.

They wouldn't need a court order.
They'd need a request.
Both Facebook and pretty much all ISP's would gladly olunteer that information to legal channels as online bullying is something that they like to stamp out.

Cuddlesworth

Karmafaerie wrote: »

They wouldn't need a court order.
They'd need a request.
Both Facebook and pretty much all ISP's would gladly olunteer that information to legal channels as online bullying is something that they like to stamp out.

Feel free to try it. The company's will only respond to court orders.

LegacyUser

Hi OP here again, thanks for all the replies although i am still terrified about this, i can still see her wall and she is saying to her friends that she has had a whizz out to the house and she should identify me within 1-2 hours :0 ??

AnonoBoy

They told you that to shut you up as they knew a threat of legal action in the real world would shut up the sort of coward who makes anonymous threats via the internet.

It worked obviously.

They won't care about pursuing it further. But because they did report it, it'll mean if you do it again they'll have a history of complaints against you and it could go further, especially if your threats sound serious enough.

My advice - grow up and if you have a problem with someone deal with it like an adult, not a child.

Nevyn

I suggest that you stop looking at her page and that if she does confront you that you deal with it like an adult.

First, there is no way she can get your IP address through Facebook unless she has access to its Database which i very much doubt.

Secondly, she would have to report it to Facebook, they would do nothing, trust me. I have got access to about 3 peoples Facebook profiles in the last 4 months and all they do when the person complains is close the account. Now surely me getting access to them through my computer would tell them that i was doing it since i already have my own account with them.

Basically i wouldn't worry about it, i wouldn't even think about it. She can say she will get it etc etc but she won't.

Stupid thing to do none the less. Next time do it through a proxy

dudara

Never mind all this IP and security stuff - why on God's earth did you think it was acceptable to do such a thing? It's childish and immature, to say the least.

Big Bag of Chips

oringinalposter wrote: »

i am still terrified about this,/QUOTE]


Funny thing that.. you weren't so "terrified" when you were hiding behind an "anonymous" name.

If the girl really wants to persue it, depending on how serious your posts to her were, you may well get a knock from the guards - but even if you don't, the very least you should do is learn from it and cop onto yourself.

jordainius

faqifhjqifiq wrote: »

Ok im really worried cos I signed up to facebook with a fake profile to tell an old friend wat i thought of her,

Coward.

basically i said i would kick her ass and called her all the names under the sun then

What was the point of that. Also, to reiterate; coward.

i get a message back saying saying she has/getting my ISP address and is going to come after me :0

She did this to scare you. It has been delightfully effective!

Is it possible for her to do this??? How could she locate my ISP from facebook that easily??

Technically yes!

Seriously though; are you aware how idiotic your actions have been??

She can't get it herself :rolleyes:

She would have to get the Garda to get involved and i doubt they would be bothered, then they would have to contact Facebook. Would take ages.

She wouldn't be able to do it on her own tho

krudler

The guards cant arrest most of the biggest drug dealers and scumbags in the country despite knowing the people involved, but people think they'd follow up on someone saying they'd kick someones ass on facebook? seriously?

Miguel_Sanchez

krudler wrote: »

The guards cant arrest most of the biggest drug dealers and scumbags in the country despite knowing the people involved, but people think they'd follow up on someone saying they'd kick someones ass on facebook? seriously?

Not necessarily but the very fact that they could should be enough to scare the OP into not doing something stupid like this again.

LC2010HIS

i know if i was in her shoes, i would feel BULLIED, and I would have no problem going to the Gardai. It would serve you right to be caught.

if i was in your shoes, id be terrified of my actions and for my emotional state.
if you have a problem, say it to the persons face.
If she feels strongly about it, they'll pursue it.

Nevyn

Unhelpful and off-topic posting will get you banned from this forum.
Do take time to read the charter which contains the rules and abide by them.
Have a nice day.
Thaedydal

beauty101

The gardai have better things to do than looking up IP adresses.. I wouldn't worry about that too much. But chances are that girl could easily figure who you are without resorting to IP adresses and all that

banquo

faqifhjqifiq wrote: »

Ok im really worried cos I signed up to facebook with a fake profile to tell an old friend wat i thought of her, basically i said i would kick her ass and called her all the names under the sun then i get a message back saying saying she has/getting my ISP address and is going to come after me :0 Is it possible for her to do this??? How could she locate my ISP from facebook that easily??

You have done wrong.

Cheap Thrills!

All you seem worried about it you being exposed, you don't seem one bit worried about the damage you have done to this girl or your own highly disfunctional behaviour.

They will figure out it's you, you know. Probably not by technical methods but it wont take a genius to work it out once she thinks about her enemies/frenemies etc

If it's in your character to do something like this then you probably have form and as I say it wont take a genius to work it out.

Your problem is not being exposed and embarassed, it's the fact you did something so ridiculously embarassing and pathetic. You need to grow up and cop on to yourself. Anonymous attacks are not something someone in their right mind does. It's getting into the territory of mental behaviour.

Think about that. You have done something incredibly foolish and irreversable. When people find out your true colours you are going to be humiliated and lose friends.

Learn a lesson here. Just because you fall out with someone does not entitle you to take 'revenge' on them, you are NOT that important. If you have a problem with someone, tell them to their face.

iguana

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Feel free to try it. The company's will only respond to court orders.

Nope, Facebook has a very strict anti-bullying policy and will automatically hand over user information to the police when asked for it in a bullying case. All users agree to that by virtue of being a member.

By changing their privacy police last week, Facebook have now made it clear that users consent to the site sharing information with the police in response to legal requests and to prevent harm.

Mr Allan added: "At Facebook, we take the safety of our users extremely seriously. Educating people about the problem and how they can protect themselves online is key to tackling cyber bullying."

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/campaigns/beatbullying/621100/Internet-giant-Facebook-joins-our-anti-bullying-campaign.html

Bottle_of_Smoke

krudler wrote: »

The guards cant arrest most of the biggest drug dealers and scumbags in the country despite knowing the people involved, but people think they'd follow up on someone saying they'd kick someones ass on facebook? seriously?

Look at the amount of soft targets arrested at music festivals etc.

OP apologise and say you were being stupid and didn't mean anything you said.

I have a feeling you made a more serious threat than threatening to kick her ass. If I'm right she could have been scared and now holds a grudge

LC2010HIS

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Your problem is not being exposed and embarassed, it's the fact you did something so ridiculously embarassing and pathetic. You need to grow up and cop on to yourself. Anonymous attacks are not something someone in their right mind does. It's getting into the territory of mental behaviour.

Think about that. You have done something incredibly foolish and irreversable. When people find out your true colours you are going to be humiliated and lose friends.

Learn a lesson here. Just because you fall out with someone does not entitle you to take 'revenge' on them, you are NOT that important. If you have a problem with someone, tell them to their face.

Exactly. if this person was mean to you in the past or whatever, and it drove you to go to the effort of making an account and threathening her - maybe you should see a councillor and resolve issues?
since u say old friend, i assume it was years ago...so why havent you moved on? The only person hurting you is yourself .The only one who can free you from whatever grudge you have, is you. Its a waste of energy and a waste of time.

I would advise you take a step outside your melodrama and look at the facts. it doesnt look good tbh

When you choose the behaviour, you choose the consequences. so now its time to face up and accept them.

Sound Bite

OP you need to grow up if you think this is acceptable.

If she's doesn't pursue this matter, which depending on the level of abuse she may do....learn from it, cop yourself on and don't be so stupid and childish again.

sickofwaiting

Alot of people going completely over the top in this thread going on about guards and court, etc... For god sake it was a once off incident where some gave someone else a bollockin on the internet. Get a grip. There are people out there under a high amount of harrassment from others and even still it has to get to quite a serious level before the gardai get involved. There is not a chance in hell they are gonna go get court orders to force facebook and ISPs to release information over a very minor once off incident. This is the real world where cops are busy dealing with real crimes and they don't have the time or inclination to get involved in stupid internet rows.

Please stop talking complete nonsense about internet bullying. It doesn't apply at all to this case. If the guards got involved everytime for minor crap like this on the internet which is going on the whole time they would literally have no time for anything else such as solving murders/rapes. This is far faarrr from what phoebe prince went through.

LegacyUser

You didnt say much about your page so you could had made an error in leaving your home town or some pic,or even your old friend might had common sense to think who sent this,,i agree with the others,i suspect it was more of a scarce tactic about the IP,as the others said only the law would have powers to access it,if we all had access to each others IP we surely would be hacking now,depending on the threat you might get a warning,but i even doubt it,im sure guards are pretty sick of all this,think about it,how many people would get into spats and threats with their ex loved ones or some love rival on these pages.

tenchi-fan

So let me get this straight..

You sent a sad rant to someone .
And she sent a threat back.
And now you're all worried?

You play with fire, you get burned.

Chances are nothing will come of it. Even if she did have your IP address (which she doesn't), she wouldn't necessarily have the means to trace you.

whatsamsn

iguana wrote: »

Nope, Facebook has a very strict anti-bullying policy and will automatically hand over user information to the police when asked for it in a bullying case. All users agree to that by virtue of being a member.



http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/campaigns/beatbullying/621100/Internet-giant-Facebook-joins-our-anti-bullying-campaign.html

BS public statement.
Yeah sure they'll give it out if its persistant or extreme. But in the Op's case. It dont apply.



Op, chalk it down to stupity and youth (as for "youth" - I can only hope your young, and if your not - what the hell like)
As for this girl saying she got your IP - lies. No way in hell.
So just chalk this up to a life lesson and think twice before doing anything like this, or similar again.
You dont wanna be in those small percentage that gets done over something stupid like this - its like downloading music. Everyone does it. But only a few get an example made upon. Best not to make that be you.

GizAGoOfYerGee

faqifhjqifiq wrote: »

i said i would kick her ass

If you have threatened her with violence, the Gardaí would definetely investigate this further. You better hope she doesn´t pursue it.

Best you keep your head down and learn from your mistake.

BigCon

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

OP apologise and say you were being stupid and didn't mean anything you said.

This.

implausible

sickofwaiting wrote: »

For god sake it was a once off incident where some gave someone else a bollockin on the internet.

Correction: she went to a lot of effort to anonymously tell an old friend what she thought of her. Giving someone a bollocking is brave by comparison and would actually take guts, which the OP seems to lack.

I hope you're about 15 OP, because if you're any older than that, you have serious issues:rolleyes:

LegacyUser

For anything to come of it you would have to have issued a death/rape threat or something similar like I'm coming round to burn down your house. Something serious AND she would have to make a complaint to the Gardaí. If both of those things happened they will find you easily and could very well bring charges.

If it's something stupid you said just personal abuse nothing will happen unless she brings legal action with the intention of finding you, which is unlikely to happen or even succeed.

I'll spare you the predictable lectures but it's far more satisfying to tell somebody what you think of them to their face in a clear and calm manner. She will suspect certain people of sending the message and you're likely to feature in that list anyway. Personal feelings are very hard to conceal over a period of time.

dellas1979

Well, on the paper at the weekend there was an article about one of the presenters from expose. That on facebook there was a hate campaign against her. Facebook were challenged as to why theyre allowing the page to remain open.

Facebook said that they could not control peoples opinions and were not breaking any laws, but that if there were any direct threats of violence, then they would step in.

Not sure if what they meant was they monitor violence stuff themselves and step in or if it is reported that they carry out investigation...

If you did say you were going to do something violent to this person, it sounds like if that person wanted to, they could follow it up.

May I suggest the next time you get this angry, go beat up a boxing bag or something.

Bob Z

Mak_United wrote: »

Stupid thing to do none the less. Next time do it through a proxy

so what are you saying? Do it but don't get caught? But irresponsible don't you think?

Kingpin187

bit of a silly thing to do lol

but no, theres no way Facebook will disclose private information about one user to another.

Its easy to get someones IP address, but doing anything with it beyond performing a basic lookup would be more difficult. And as for tracing you, LOL I wouldnt worry

Karmafaerie

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Feel free to try it. The company's will only respond to court orders.

I previously worked in a related industry, and have first hand, personal experience with the matter.
While a guard can't just ring up and ask for the information, there are set channels that they follow to aquire this information.

While in no way trying to belittle the bullying mentioned here, internet fraud, and bullying can get very, very, serious.
It would take no more than two weeks for the Gardai to get this information (as I said, I know from personal experience), and if the victim is serious about it, they can and will do so.
While i'm obviously not going into any details here, the incident I was referring to, involved somebody who had a lot of personal information put online by a different party, and through Gardai intervention got it taken down.

To put it in context, people have had their lives ruined by internet bullying.
It has led to sucides in multiple cases, and there is even a fu€ked up subculture online of people who deliberately try and ause people to kill themselves.

The Gardai will do all they can to stamp it down.
And ISP's and social networking sites will do what they can to help, as it's not something they want asociated with their services.

Kingpin187

"The Gardai will do all they can to stamp it down.
And ISP's and social networking sites will do what they can to help, as it's not something they want asociated with their services"

Only in extreme cases.. there is no way a company like Facebook will disclose private information unless it was serious, and had potentially criminal elements, and I wouldnt think this would fall into this category.

The current internet climate re: user privacy etc is a big issue, and bullying or using abusive although a horrible thing, isnt generally a "crime", and happens in every area of the internet.

Not condoning what has happened, just saying.

At the VERY most, the profile in question would be shut down..... and even that wont happen.

iguana

Kingpin187 wrote: »

there is no way a company like Facebook will disclose private information unless it was serious, and had potentially criminal elements,

Um, have you heard of Facebook? Facebook is basically the biggest consumer database in history and they sell our 'private' information to the highest bidder all the time. That's how they make their money, it's their purpose. It's in the terms and conditions of being a member, nothing you put on their site is private, nothing at all. Every time one of your "friends" does a quiz the company who made the quiz gain access to all your data.

It's also their policy to give information to co-operate fully with any police force that wants your information for any remotely reasonable purpose, including cyber-bullying. It's not private information, it doesn't need a court order, any information on you which Facebook has immediately ceases to be private. The only value Facebook places on it is as a valuable commodity.

Karmafaerie

Kingpin187 wrote: »

"The Gardai will do all they can to stamp it down.
And ISP's and social networking sites will do what they can to help, as it's not something they want asociated with their services"

Only in extreme cases.. there is no way a company like Facebook will disclose private information unless it was serious, and had potentially criminal elements, and I wouldnt think this would fall into this category.

The current internet climate re: user privacy etc is a big issue, and bullying or using abusive although a horrible thing, isnt generally a "crime", and happens in every area of the internet.

Not condoning what has happened, just saying.

At the VERY most, the profile in question would be shut down..... and even that wont happen.

As said above, Facebook are more about "sharing" your information than anything else.

And the reason that Facebook are so free and willing to help the various police departments is nothing to do with the kindness of their heart.
It's because Facebook don't want parents groups and anti bullying lobbies all over them.
Not good for business and all.

Asphyxia

When me, my fella and his friend got harrassed by someone over different social networking sites I contacted the gaurds about it and they said that they could do nothing about it. I even asked my IT tutor and he said said they couldn't trace to find out who it was!

To be honest I think that it was very childish for you to do that, when it happend to me I was in an awful state. I was so upset at the things that were been said to me and and my fella and myself ended up having fights with his friend about it, it was all so messy. The worse thing is that we never found out who it was. This is a disgusting and horrible thing to do and I hope this has scared you into never doing it again!!