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Jobs for vegans?
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05-08-2010 12:34pm#1Hi guys,
Looking for a little advice. Where should I look for work for vegans? I know it's a strange question, but it is hard to find a job in an industry that doesn't contribute to animal suffering (especially these days). I thought about health shops but it seems that these stores don't need more employees. So I'm stuck. Do you have any ideas?
I'm talking about jobs in County Wicklow and south Dublin.
Go veg(eteri)an!
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That's an interesting question. I for one would be curious where the discussion goes with this one. It also depends on your other thoughts, like are you environmentally aware? I would like to have no cruelty to animals, move dependence away from animals and work on other environmentally favourable processes. So jobs in that sort of area... I guess where ever you end up working you would impart your preferences in this area in some way 0
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Hi guys,
Looking for a little advice. Where should I look for work for vegans? I know it's a strange question, but it is hard to find a job in an industry that doesn't contribute to animal suffering (especially these days). I thought about health shops but it seems that these stores don't need more employees. So I'm stuck. Do you have any ideas?
I'm talking about jobs in County Wicklow and south Dublin.
Go veg(eteri)an!
If my memory serves me correctly, the definition of veganism according to the Vegan Society is somebody who seeks to avoid the use of animal products in so far as is "practical and possible."
If you need a job, get a job. So long as it doesn't increase the demand for animal products, its really a non-issue in my opinion.
Although its an extreme example, you could get a job in McDonald's and your choice would not lead to an increase in the demand for animal products in any way whatsoever. It may offend your sensibilities and would seem odd that a vegan had decided to work in such a place, but it would make literally no difference to the suffering of animals.
You can't lead a perfect life and in my opinion, refusing a job because the company has some connection with agri-business, is a little, as the OP admits, "strange".0 -
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The dole queue might serve your purposes.
You won't be raising the demand for animal products by working there, nor lessening it by not working there. They'll just find someone else and you don't get the wages.
What about creches or childminding? Or try here
http://www.dundrum.ie/about-us/jobs/0 -
crayolastereo wrote: »The dole queue might serve your purposes.
You won't be raising the demand for animal products by working there, nor lessening it by not working there. They'll just find someone else and you don't get the wages.
What about creches or childminding? Or try here
http://www.dundrum.ie/about-us/jobs/
Are people actually entertaining such a ridiculous original post? And are they actually suggesting that this person live a life as a welfare degenerate instead of being a responsible adult? C'mon people, welcome to the real world.
Nobody can lead a lifestyle which excludes animal use/suffering 100%. No matter what job you get, you will always be able to find something about it which has contributed to the plight of animals. Get over it, there is nothing we can do in a practical sense; we have lives to lead also.
If the OP is serious about this, then he/she should never buy a car because all either contain animal products (in their paint, seat filler, glue, steering wheel etc.) or used animals during testing; should never consume medicine again, for obvious reasons; should not use electricity because the area around the power plant, the source of his/her electricity, experiences acid rain which displaces and harms non-human animals; should not eat most vegetables because herbicides, which harm animals, are used in their production. The list goes on and on.
Do you see how pedantic and impractical I'm being here?0 -
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Many thanks for your replies Actually I was thinking about shelters as well.CokaColumbo wrote: »Are people actually entertaining such a ridiculous original post? And are they actually suggesting that this person live a life as a welfare degenerate instead of being a responsible adult? C'mon people, welcome to the real world.
Nobody can lead a lifestyle which excludes animal use/suffering 100%. No matter what job you get, you will always be able to find something about it which has contributed to the plight of animals. Get over it, there is nothing we can do in a practical sense; we have lives to lead also.
If the OP is serious about this, then he/she should never buy a car because all either contain animal products (in their paint, seat filler, glue, steering wheel etc.) or used animals during testing; should never consume medicine again, for obvious reasons; should not use electricity because the area around the power plant, the source of his/her electricity, experiences acid rain which displaces and harms non-human animals; should not eat most vegetables because herbicides, which harm animals, are used in their production. The list goes on and on.
Do you see how pedantic and impractical I'm being here?
I wouldn't be so cynical. You're absolutely right in saying that we can't exclude animal products from our life, but we can try to minimize them. Similarly, we can minimize our involvement in the exploitation of animals, finding such work, which has no or little effect on the suffering of animals (e.g. I did lectures in a vegan restaurant and it was a very positive work). Of course, often it happens that we have no choice. It is obvious, no one expects miracles here. But as an animal rights activist from many years, I know that we have a choice to try to minimize our impact. This can be done in many ways, not only when shopping or eating.
Also following your way of thinking, you can also deny the meatless diet. What is the reason of being a vegetarian-vegan if it still does not change anything? More and more animlas die. Does it mean it's pointless? There's always a reason to say "get over it" or "it's impractical" or "it won't change anything". But fortunately I met lots of naives (like myself) who try to make good choices and live as ethically as it possible. And I noticed that this may affect the attitudes of other people and the reality in which we live. 0 -
Your "It doesn't make a difference to meat demand if you work in McDonalds" is the same as "You not eating meat doesn't make a difference to the demand". It's not really about making a difference (although the vegetarian "movement" has made a difference), it's more about you yourself holding up your own personal morals as best you can.
It's not the same. In McDonalds, or in a cafe, deli counter etc. you are preparing animal products for the consumption of other people. The demand for those product does not change if you are involved in the process or not. But when you yourself are at the counter and order a milkshake you are increasing the demand for animal products and therefore animal exploitation. That's the difference to me. Personally I would not want to work in McDonald's; I was just using that as an extreme example.I wouldn't be so cynical. You're absolutely right in saying that we can't exclude animal products from our life, but we can try to minimize them. Similarly, we can minimize our involvement in the exploitation of animals, finding such work, which has no or little effect on the suffering of animals (e.g. I did lectures in a vegan restaurant and it was a very positive work). Of course, often it happens that we have no choice. It is obvious, no one expects miracles here. But as an animal rights activist from many years, I know that we have a choice to try to minimize our impact. This can be done in many ways, not only when shopping or eating.
Also following your way of thinking, you can also deny the meatless diet. What is the reason of being a vegetarian-vegan if it still does not change anything? More and more animlas die. Does it mean it's pointless? There's always a reason to say "get over it" or "it's impractical" or "it won't change anything". But fortunately I met lots of naives (like myself) who try to make good choices and live as ethically as it possible. And I noticed that this may affect the attitudes of other people and the reality in which we live.
There is a difference between being cynical and being realistic, and I think you're missing that. I am all in favour of eliminating animal exploitation but when the debate entertains the prospect of somebody leading an impractical life and perhaps one without financial productivity, that's where I draw the line. Again:VeganSociety wrote: »Veganism is a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose.
Not consuming animal products, despite what you say, does make an active difference. It stops animals from being brought into this world to die. Although more and more non-humans are being killed every day, a vegan diet ensures that this number is smaller than it might otherwise have been, and it is (importantly), for all intents and purposes, a practical alternative to an omnivorous lifestyle. But saying, 'oooh, I refuse to work in Spar because they have a deli counter' or 'I won't work in a department store because I'll have to try and sell leather goods to customers' is a step too far and should not be entertained, in my opinion.0 -
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Don't think the OP would get too far with that one. However, Cornucopia on Wicklow Street could be an optionExtrasupervery wrote: »Wait tables in Cornucopia on Wexford Street
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Plastic Scouser wrote: »I think this is a legitimate question that the OP has raised.
There are a couple of places online which claim to show veg*n/ethical job vacancies worldwide - but unfortunately they seem to be mainly US based (not surprising really!)
http://twitter.com/veganjobs
http://www.ethical-jobs.co.uk/uk/search_result.php
http://jobs.veganmainstream.com/
So, if you're not keen on moving to the US(;)!) you could try to make up a list of veg*n ethical companies in Ireland/Dublin/Wicklow depending on your areas of interest/expertise, and send off some speculative applications.
Maybe try looking at the list of organisations of interest on the Vegetarian Society website for a start: http://www.vegetarian.ie/links?term_node_tid_depth=46&term_node_tid_depth_1=All
Or, approach larger companies listed on 'most ethical' type lists:
http://ethisphere.com/wme2010/
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0201/1224263502392.html
There are also a couple of UK sites that might have a few Irish places mentioned on their 'marketplace'/'business' sections, or maybe if they're bigger companies listed there they might have Irish branches too:
http://www.veggies.org.uk/directory/
http://www.viva.org.uk/businesses/index.php#marketplace
Hope that something here helps anyway, or at the very least sparks some other ideas.
Thanks a lot! That's very useful! 0 -
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