wonder whats wrong with it.

coffeenuts

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1472809

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Alfa-Romeo/159/1.9-JTD-/201024198469056/advert?channel=CARS

wonder whats wrong with it.

It's not too cheap for a straight sale cash price.

coffeenuts

i disagree. dont think its bad at all tbh. you'd get a few quid off obviously but not bad at all considering its a diesel. beautiful cars the 159 as far as family saloons go.

Absurdum

Cash Price.Trade in price 8450 euros.Full alfa service history.CLOSING DOWN SALE.EVERYTHING MUST GO.

+ it's quite high mileage

coffeenuts

really 88k high for a diesel?? Dont think so.

yeah its a closing down sale like god knows how many other garages round the country.

As I said you'd get a few quid off.

I'll tell ya I'd rather one of them over a mondeo or passat for example any day of the week.

I dont think you'd get one of them for that sort of price either.

coffeenuts

coffeenuts wrote: »

i disagree.

Buy it and see how much more you can sell if for so

brainer in disguise

wouldn't be so sure...
Personally I wouldn't buy it, if it's too good to be true then it is.
I remeber the same story with Mini Cooper, they bought it at a much reduced price and what happened, it turned out to be a total wreck...

coffeenuts

RoverJames wrote: »

Buy it and see how much more you can sell if for so

how about answering my entire post as apposed to one part of it.

i'm not saying I'm gonna buy it I'm merely saying I believe it to be good value in comparison to other family saloons of the same year, milage and fuel type.

Plus the likes of 2006 mondeo is the old model. Passats are overpriced imo especially when you look at the difference of what you get for your money.

159 leather seats, AC, cruise etc..

Passat .... .. eh.. .. maybe cruise? only one I'd touch is the highline.

Anyway just a thought. I was on donedeal and saw it.

Ricardo G

Over rated italian thrash imo, aestheticly pleasing to the eye but thats it. As for someone picking this over a passat ot mondeo..... which would be a better/easier motor to resell in 3 years??? Alfa will be worth pittins and will give all the niggly electrical problems that the other two wont

coffeenuts

brainer in disguise wrote: »

wouldn't be so sure...
Personally I wouldn't buy it, if it's too good to be true then it is.
I remeber the same story with Mini Cooper, they bought it at a much reduced price and what happened, it turned out to be a total wreck...

that particular place yeah? If so maybe thats why they're closing a string of bad buyin decisions.

I have already made the point that €7000 straight sale price is not suspiciously cheap, the trade in / windscreen price is €8450 which is about a grand or €1500 less than what a 40K miler would retail for off a forecourt. I would think you'd have no chance of getting it for less than €7000, also that €7000 is only to get folks looking, most folks looking to buy that will have a car to trade in so the €8450 than comes into play. Also 88K miles is quite high on a 2006 car, loads out there with less. 22K / annum is rep mobile territory, I covered Munster for a year and did about 25K miles.

coffeenuts

Ricardo G wrote: »

Over rated italian thrash imo, aestheticly pleasing to the eye but thats it. As for someone picking this over a passat ot mondeo..... which would be a better/easier motor to resell in 3 years??? Alfa will be worth pittins and will give all the niggly electrical problems that the other two wont

ever owned an alfa Ricardo? Or are you just saying that cause you heard it from a friend of a friend etc..

if you did own one fair enough.

it just sickens me to hear people say they have problems when they know nothing about them but believe because they've heard they're bad its ok to badmouth them.

sure skoda are terrible too right? :rolleyes:

coffeenuts

RoverJames wrote: »

I have already made the point that €7000 straight sale price is not suspiciously cheap, the trade in / windscreen price is €8450 which is about a grand or €1500 less than what a 40K miler would retail for off a forecourt. I would think you'd have no chance of getting it for less than €7000, also that €7000 is only to get folks looking, most folks looking to buy that will have a car to trade in so the €8450 than comes into play. Also 88K miles is quite high on a 2006 car, loads out there with less. 22K / annum is rep mobile territory, I covered Munster for a year and did about 25K miles.

straight price is what I was lookin at and in fairness I think you would get it cheaper. If he wants rid he wants rid.

As for the milage personally 80k + on a diesel really wouldnt bother me. Its a quality engine. One of the best diesels out there. I've had JTD's before. No bother what so ever to do a hell of a lot more than 80k.

And as for rep material again I'd have no problem with once it has a fsh. That level of car wouldnt be given to a young fella. Its further up the scale.

Generally graded. Focus's etc would be entry level for the younger staff and as you go up you can get avensis's etc. .159 would be on that level so it shouldnt have been rallied about. That said you'd obviously have to have it checked out and check the service history etc.

Still think its a steal at that price (and a bit cheaper) tbh if its in good nick.

Ricardo G

coffeenuts wrote: »

ever owned an alfa Ricardo? Or are you just saying that cause you heard it from a friend of a friend etc..

if you did own one fair enough.

it just sickens me to hear people say they have problems when they know nothing about them but believe because they've heard they're bad its ok to badmouth them.

sure skoda are terrible too right? :rolleyes:

Actually had a 156 2.0 tspark for a spell, nothing but problems be it clutch, exhaust, and in the end gearbox !! I do however have FRIENDS that had/have them also and they are of the same opinion..
I would pick a Skoda anyday over these heaps !! Dealerships cringe when they see these Alfa's coming through there doors (i know this from experience;)) because they dread having to tell there owners they either dont want them or give them a ludicrous p/x price.

Its bad when an Alfa dealer does'nt want them as a p/x

coffeenuts

Ricardo G wrote: »

Actually had a 156 2.0 tspark for a spell, nothing but problems be it clutch, exhaust, and in the end gearbox !! I do however have FRIENDS that had/have them also and they are of the same opinion..
I would pick a Skoda anyday over these heaps !! Dealerships cringe when they see these Alfa's coming through there doors (i know this from experience;)) because they dread having to tell there owners they either dont want them or give them a ludicrous p/x price.

Its bad when an Alfa dealer does'nt want them as a p/x

did you have the car checked out before you bought it?

I've had german cars before that gave serious problems my own fault for not checkin out though and thinkin buyin from a dealer was good enough.

As for dealerships cringin I have traded them in before and not had a problem. Sure you have to look about but unless you drive a toyota corolla 1.4 petrol or ford focus 1.6 diesel in Ireland the dealers wont know what to part exchange ya.

coffeenuts

coffeenuts wrote: »

wonder whats wrong with it.

:rolleyes: On the one hand you wonder what's wrong with it as you reckon its too cheap..........

coffeenuts wrote: »

straight price is what I was lookin at and in fairness I think you would get it cheaper. If he wants rid he wants rid. .

but also reckon he'll let it go for less, surely if it's such a huge bargain it will fly out the door.

coffeenuts wrote: »

That level of car wouldnt be given to a young fella. Its further up the scale.

Generally graded. Focus's etc would be entry level for the younger staff and as you go up you can get avensis's etc. .

I got a new Mondeo in 2005 @ 24 years of age with no sales experience. Only folks selling Kit Kats etc get thrown a Focus.

Ricardo G

I'm in the trade myself so i would hope to know what to look out for in a car tbh I spent 10 years in various dealerships and the general conception was/is unless your p/xing an alfa for next to nothing then dont risk taking it in !!
Anyway each to their own, i'm a Jap/german person myself. The value of that Alfa 159 is for a reason, i personally would not trust that diesel engine after 100/120k

coffeenuts

RoverJames wrote: »

:rolleyes: On the one hand you wonder what's wrong with it as you reckon its too cheap..........



but also reckon he'll let it go for less, surely if it's such a huge bargain it will fly out the door.



I got a new Mondeo in 2005 @ 24 years of age with no sales experience. Only folks selling Kit Kats etc get thrown a Focus.

I think you can get anythin thats online cheaper. simple as that. but that said it is imo still cheap if you got nothin off it.

as for getting a mondeo in 2005 at 24 I dont think thats the norm. I've driven company cars since I was the same age but went in at the bottom grade and as I got experience got up the "bigger car" range.

all I'm sayin is I dont think it'll have been rallied. If it was a 24 year old like yourself in 05 I would hope that they are grown up enough to drive sensibly.

coffeenuts

Ricardo G wrote: »

I'm in the trade myself so i would hope to know what to look out for in a car tbh I spent 10 years in various dealerships and the general conception was/is unless your p/xing an alfa for next to nothing then dont risk taking it in !!
Anyway each to their own, i'm a Jap/german person myself. The value of that Alfa 159 is for a reason, i personally would not trust that diesel engine after 100/120k

you wouldnt trust a JTD after 100k??? WHAT?! Why? Its a fantastic engine. I'd take it over most other diesels on the market to go on after 100k easily. As far as diesels go at that level its that or the 1.9 tdi by VW which as we know will go on and on and on. I've seen serious milage on both engines. Sure the JTD is used in fiat vans etc that would easily do well over the 100k mark

Ricardo G

coffeenuts wrote: »

you wouldnt trust a JTD after 100k??? WHAT?! Why? Its a fantastic engine. I'd take it over most other diesels on the market to go on after 100k easily. As far as diesels go at that level its that or the 1.9 tdi by VW which as we know will go on and on and on. I've seen serious milage on both engines. Sure the JTD is used in fiat vans etc that would easily do well over the 100k mark

Type in Alfa 159 common rail diesel jtd on the alfaownerclub website to read about turbo problems @ 40-50k (and further electrical faults). Or even just google Jtd engine, this should be enough of a detterent to put anyone off buying one imo

Stoolbend

Ricardo G wrote: »

Over rated italian thrash imo, aestheticly pleasing to the eye but thats it. As for someone picking this over a passat ot mondeo..... which would be a better/easier motor to resell in 3 years??? Alfa will be worth pittins and will give all the niggly electrical problems that the other two wont

Ricardo G wrote: »

Type in Alfa 159 common rail diesel jtd on the alfaownerclub website to read about turbo problems @ 40-50k (and further electrical faults). Or even just google Jtd engine, this should be enough of a detterent to put anyone off buying one imo

Type in passat problems or mondeo problems and you'll get lots of them too.

Tragedy

If you're in the trade and wouldn't trust a JTDm engine past 100k, I don't imagine you're particularly good at what you do.

R.O.R

We look after the Irish Fleet for a part of the FIAT group so the choice for the drivers is either a FIAT or an Alfa, depending on their grade.

Currently the lower level guys are in 147's and the higher level in 159's (since last year) with one new starter in a Bravo. Previous to that the higher level were in the 159's and the lower level were in 147's or Fiat Croma's.

From all the 159's I can only remember one issue and that's a power steering pump which was replaced under warranty at 71k. The 147 JTdm 120 was a disaster on the clutch and I think we replaced one 3 times in 120k.

The Croma's (3 of them) ran to 180 - 200k without any major issues and were all bought by the drivers at the end of term.

Based on all that actual experience (rather than what I heard off a mate who was talking to someone in a pub who used to own an early 156) I wouldn't have an issue with the reliability of the Alfa in the OP.

I still wouldn't buy it though as I can't get really comfy in the drivers seat, and don't think they are that special to drive. Dealer network is also few and far between nowadays.

The reg on that car also looks suspiciously similar and it wouldn't surprise me if it was one of ours at some point, but I'm not is work next week to check.

jaffa20

Links gone now. Must have been sold.