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31-07-2010 6:37am#1Maybe something to consider before buying a rifle.
Quality speaks for itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4AqMl1A4aQ&feature=player_embedded2
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Uh, yes, I knew that. My personal sidearm [and one of my own privately-owned handguns] for over thirty years was a Browning 9mm pistol.
Please note that his designs were NOT borrowed by the military, but paid for in hard currency by companies who MADE firearms for the military -
'Throughout his life, Browning designed weapons for his own company, as well as for Winchester, Colt, Remington, Savage, and Fabrique Nationale de Herstal of Belgium. In 1977, FN acquired the Browning Arms Company which had been established in 1927, the year after Browning's death.'
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I watch a Doc about him one night, which stated because he did all his designs while on Army time he the Army owned the patent.
it was on the Military channel one night.
However documentaries are often open to intrepretation.
The BAP was the first Pistol I fired.
I thought, I could get into this pistol shooting
Then when I finally got a pistol the then told me only could use it on a range!
Which was no fun as I wanted to practice at home and then entre comps.
Not practice by entering comps.
Today 50%+~ of brownings say made in Belgium0 -
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The Mythbusters did a nice episode where they torture tested firearms in such a fashion.
I doubt that some mud in the barrel would cause the catastrophic failure shown in the videos. However, I would not do it to my shotgun.
I bet these firearms were literally sealed up, perhaps, by welding. Definitely not the old Elmer Fudd, finger in the barrel banana effect.
Has anyone see the HK 416 test, the HK that is tryingto replace the M16? They literally take it out of water and fire. It has been designed to overcome overpressure in such situations.
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johngalway wrote: »When it's wet, I always tape over the end of the barrel. Electrical tape will do. The pressure before the bullet exits the barrel busts the tape and doesn't interfere with the shot. Saves all this business of blowing up guns needlessly.
Or a Condom taped around the Muzzle,works well too
Works well in the winter to keep the snow and mud out.0 -
Someone's been watching this:Norwayviking wrote: »Or a Condom taped around the Muzzle,works well too
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The Mythbusters did a nice episode where they torture tested firearms in such a fashion.
I doubt that some mud in the barrel would cause the catastrophic failure shown in the videos. However, I would not do it to my shotgun.
I bet these firearms were literally sealed up, perhaps, by welding. Definitely not the old Elmer Fudd, finger in the barrel banana effect.
Has anyone see the HK 416 test, the HK that is tryingto replace the M16? They literally take it out of water and fire. It has been designed to overcome overpressure in such situations.
You can scroll to 6:40, however, I would watch the whole lot
The water bit is at about 7:28
You can actually test a firearm through the hardest enviroments on the planet,and pressuretesting to the highest of pressure.But have anyone considered the human factor,the users of the firearm?
I believe the Norwegian soldiers who tested the new HK416 assault rifle got quite a surprise.
http://www.hk94.com/hk/topic/26570-report-heckler-koch-hk416-rifle-making-soldiers-sick/0 -
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That first video from the O/P holds no water (pardon the pun) - No indication of what has been done at the muzzle end, ammunition used, or anything.
Frankly, while I'm no particular fan of remmys (more of a euro-rifle man myself;):D), this video and the "information" it purports to show is of about as much use as a chocolate teapot and has about the same amount of credibility.
Interesting video all the same - just to watch sh1te blowing up - but that's about it. Wouldn't be basing my purchasing decisions on that or any other unsubstantiated information from youtub or wikipedia.0 -
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That first video from the O/P holds no water (pardon the pun) - No indication of what has been done at the muzzle end, ammunition used, or anything.
Frankly, while I'm no particular fan of remmys (more of a euro-rifle man myself;):D), this video and the "information" it purports to show is of about as much use as a chocolate teapot and has about the same amount of credibility.
Interesting video all the same - just to watch sh1te blowing up - but that's about it. Wouldn't be basing my purchasing decisions on that or any other unsubstantiated information from youtub or wikipedia.
Couldnt agree more,but it gets you thinking though!!!!!!!! 0 -
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Gotta love that HK416.
As the man says, it's great for "civilian gun enthusiasts".....Now, where did i leave my cheque book.......:D:rolleyes::D
:cool:
There a great rifle and ive seen 2 in ireland already the only problem with the civilain version for the Euromarket is that the uppers arent interchangable with other manufacturers
For the money.... it would be about the same to import a gas piston AR from the US that has that capibilityNorwayviking wrote: »Well to be honest after trying the hk416,i think i still prefer the old AG3(norwegian version og the G3),in 7,62x51.A bit heavier but more solid in the field.
Thats what the HK 417 is for :P:P:P:P
Ive fired both 416 and 417 and i own a G3... I love the G3 but the 417 is a far superior rifle.Grizzly 45 wrote: »
HK416 ,nice piece.Trouble is;The US isnt likely to change an entire weapons system in the middle of a conflict when there now thousands of people employed supplying the DOD with M16s and parts.
Hope HK has alot of influence in Congress and the DC cocktail circut to pull this one off.Against such US contenders as Magpul with the JERICHO
and or ROBARMS.Which are US companies,who do you think will get a deal?:rolleyes:
Not to mind this isnt really anything "new" in this gas piston system.It is going back to the past.Stoner corrected the M16 fault in the 1960s with the Armalite 180,but no one wanted the system as the M16 was already in production.Be easier to issue new "gas piston" uppers to the army than an entire new rifle.HK will fall there,their upper is only compatible with a HK lower.
3,500 Euros for one...Why bother??
There considering it to replave the SAW :P....
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/07/marine_IAR_070110w/
3500 euro is the euro retail price (and Ive seen them cheaper than that)..... if the 416 was to selected then it would be manufacturered in the US0 -
gunhappy_ie wrote: »There a great rifle and ive seen 2 in ireland already the only problem with the civilain version for the Euromarket is that the uppers arent interchangable with other manufacturers For the money.... it would be about the same to import a gas piston AR from the US that has that capibility
Thats what the HK 417 is for :P:P:P:P
Ive fired both 416 and 417 and i own a G3... I love the G3 but the 417 is a far superior rifle.
There considering it to replave the SAW :P....
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/07/marine_IAR_070110w/
3500 euro is the euro retail price (and Ive seen them cheaper than that)..... if the 416 was to selected then it would be manufacturered in the US
Hi ghappy
Yeah i have heard the 417 should be pretty good.
Never gotten the chance to try it yet.But heard good things about it.
I am a bit old fashioned and keep to the AG3,been in service with the Norwegian defence forces since the 1960s.
And as a assaultrifle i prefer 20 rounds of 7.62mm to 5.56mm,and as a sniper rifle,the sako trg 42 338 lapua magnum.Hard to beat
I understand they had a bit of problems with the 416\417 in the beginning.
I think it was the gunoil or ammo that was bad.
http://www.hk94.com/hk/topic/26570-r...soldiers-sick/
But didnt get the actual cause of it.I think it was the ammo.0 -
Norwayviking wrote: »Hi ghappy
Yeah i have heard the 417 should be pretty good.
Never gotten the chance to try it yet.But heard good things about it.
I am a bit old fashioned and keep to the AG3,been in service with the Norwegian defence forces since the 1960s.
And as a assaultrifle i prefer 20 rounds of 7.62mm to 5.56mm,and as a sniper rifle,the sako trg 42 338 lapua magnum.Hard to beat
I understand they had a bit of problems with the 416\417 in the beginning.
I think it was the gunoil or ammo that was bad.
http://www.hk94.com/hk/topic/26570-r...soldiers-sick/
But didnt get the actual cause of it.I think it was the ammo.
I love that the uppers on the 417 change out with different barrel lengths. Ive seen them Used as SASS with the long barrel and QCB with the short.
Lucky for me ive a friend in norway so I get parts for my G3 that are Kongsberg ( If i remember the name corretly ) stamped.
The 416/417 does have initial teething problems but its to be expected with a rifle system that is being taken to the extreme. I believe that HK are already on the second model of both rifles.
AS for soldiers sickness.... completely down to the ammo. The G36 uses exactly the same system. Perhaps with the hardguard on it just directs in back toward the shooter where the G36 didnt..... wither way.. the direct impedment ARs would possibly have the same problem as a majority of the gas unders into the reciever where the shooter has his/her face beside
At least they got this bot sorted out .....................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMH94PuT_I
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gunhappy_ie wrote: »I love that the uppers on the 417 change out with different barrel lengths. Ive seen them Used as SASS with the long barrel and QCB with the short.
Lucky for me ive a friend in norway so I get parts for my G3 that are Kongsberg ( If i remember the name corretly ) stamped.
The 416/417 does have initial teething problems but its to be expected with a rifle system that is being taken to the extreme. I believe that HK are already on the second model of both rifles.
AS for soldiers sickness.... completely down to the ammo. The G36 uses exactly the same system. Perhaps with the hardguard on it just directs in back toward the shooter where the G36 didnt..... wither way.. the direct impedment ARs would possibly have the same problem as a majority of the gas unders into the reciever where the shooter has his/her face beside
At least they got this bot sorted out .....................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMH94PuT_I
eeeek !!
At least i didnt get sick from the old G3,only selfinflicted off duty by a different kind of ammo called alcohol
The so called hangover
And i think they got the thing sorted out now.Not that different from the G3,but never an issue there as i have heard of.
Have to see if i can get to try it next year going over to Norway.
Hard to get your hands on military firearms these days,unless you know the right persons
But would be nice to have tried it though.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iU4qG6og8c
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