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Transgender woman from NI seeking asylum in Canada

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  • #2
    MagicMarker
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    Sounds to me like someone's chancing their arm tbh.


  • #3
    L.Jenkins
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    Trans-Phobia is a serious concern and if she was pulling a fast one I doubt she would have set up a decent life for herself in her time over there.


  • #4
    MagicMarker
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    ItsThatManAgain wrote: »
    Trans-Phobia is a serious concern

    Is trans-phobia limited to Northern Ireland? :confused:


  • #5
    L1011
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    Can't see them accepting this, tbh. Seeing as NI is in the UK there'd be legitimate questions about why she didn't just move to GB.


  • #6
    L.Jenkins
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Is trans-phobia limited to Northern Ireland? :confused:

    No but how many people know her in Canada, apart from the friends she has made?


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  • #7
    MagicMarker
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    ItsThatManAgain wrote: »
    No but how many people know her in Canada, apart from the friends she has made?
    A lot, now that she's standing in front of video cameras publicizing it to the world.


  • #8
    Links234
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    I'm not sure what to make of it to be honest, I don't really know what NI is like in treating transgender people, I can't imagine it's all that good, but there's transphobia everywhere in the world, even Canada I'm sure.


  • #9
    dreamer_ire
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    Links234 wrote: »
    I'm not sure what to make of it to be honest, I don't really know what NI is like in treating transgender people, I can't imagine it's all that good, but there's transphobia everywhere in the world, even Canada I'm sure.

    According to the crime stats, and I do appreciate that not all crime is reported, there were 10 transphobic crimes in 08/09 and 14 in 09/10. Homophobic crime fell from 179 to 175 in the same period.

    Personally I don't get it, granted I'm not trans however as a gay person in NI I have never had any issues, nor would I have any concerns. Granted there are areas I wouldn't walk hand in hand with my OH, but then again these are areas I wouldn't walk through regardless.

    I'm not saying she's chancing her arm but it just doesn't ring fully true for me. But as I said, I've not walked in her shoes.....


  • #10
    Annasopra
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    I think she's chancing her arm as well - Not saying Transphobia isn't a serious problem but it can't really be that bad in NI

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #11
    Links234
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    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/07/28/malaysian-trans-woman-wins-asylum-in-uk/

    This on the other hand is a different story entirely, and I'm extremely happy for her. ;)


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  • #12
    Freiheit
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    Northern Ireland is , if statistics are to be believed one of the most homo-transphobic locations in the industrialised world. I've spoken to Trans people from Northern Ireland who say it's an awful country...but then again where I grew up is too...even though most of the R.O.I. isn't....Northern Ireland has a long way to go....the troubles appear to have seriously stunted it's evolution.


  • #13
    St._Andalou
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    Northern Ireland has been described as the Hate Capital of the Western World, as the above user has pointed out:
    Northern Ireland is “the hate capital of the West,” according to new university research, with an astonishing 44 percent of its citizens proving disturbingly homophobic.

    The research from the University of Ulster, to be published in the economics journal Kyklos, said that Northern Ireland leads Western nations in its animosity toward gays and immigrants, while the United States is almost exactly in the middle, bigotry-wise, of 23 nations studied.

    Vani Borooah, professor of applied economics at Ulster and John Mangan, professor of economics at the University of Queensland, collaborated in the study, which surveyed 32,000 people across 19 European counties, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States.

    The Human Rights and Values survey asked respondents what they thought of minority groups—and how they would feel about having members of certain groups as their neighbors.

    The five groups included members of another races, immigrants or foreign workers, Muslims, Jews and homosexuals.

    An astonishing 44 percent of the 1,000 respondents in Northern Ireland said they didn’t want members of even one of the five groups as their neighbors.

    Homophobia was by far the main source of bigotry in most western countries: More than 80 percent of bigoted people in Northern Ireland and Canada, and 75 percent of bigots in Austria, the United States, Great Britain, Ireland and Italy wouldn’t want gays or lesbians as neighbors.
    The link to the article can be found here. WARNING: The link is not safe for work. It is posted on someone's blog, which has one or two risqué pictures (nothing serious, but enough to raise eyebrows). The blogger posts the story from Yahoo, but unfortunately Yahoo has since removed the story.

    The story can also be found thru Google, but most news outlets concetrated on racism, rather than homophobia.


  • #14
    deirdre_dub
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    dreamer_ire wrote: »
    According to the crime stats, and I do appreciate that not all crime is reported, there were 10 transphobic crimes in 08/09 and 14 in 09/10. Homophobic crime fell from 179 to 175 in the same period.
    Given the relative percentage of trans people versus gay people (I think it's something like 0.1% versus 10%) those are pretty bad numbers for trans people.
    Personally I don't get it, granted I'm not trans however as a gay person in NI I have never had any issues, nor would I have any concerns.
    A problem is that trans people (and trans women in particular) are generally easier to spot than gay people. When you couple that with the fact that there is still huge misunderstandings around transgenderism, it means that trans people face issues that gay people don't have to face.


  • #15
    Annasopra
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    dreamer_ire wrote: »
    According to the crime stats, and I do appreciate that not all crime is reported, there were 10 transphobic crimes in 08/09 and 14 in 09/10. Homophobic crime fell from 179 to 175 in the same period.
    Have you got a link to those stats?

    Edit - I found them

    http://www.psni.police.uk/1._recorded_crime_200910.pdf

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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