what wage?

whelan1

how much would you pay some one to work 7am -6pm half hour for breakfast , an hour for lunch every second weekend off with a half day on the friday of the weekend off. On the weekend on its milk, feed etc go home then and come back in the evening

Tipp Man

whelan1 wrote: »

how much would you pay some one to work 7am -6pm half hour for breakfast , an hour for lunch every second weekend off with a half day on the friday of the weekend off. On the weekend on its milk, feed etc go home then and come back in the evening

Not sure if this is much help to you but a local dairy farmer with about 170 cows is paying his dairy manager 35k a year plus bonus (how that is calculated i have no idea).

The manager though is very very good, works 6 days a week and is solely responsible for the diary, the owner wouldn't know the dug from the head (machinery man). The manager is very contentious and regularly makes a 6 mile round trip to check cows calving during the night

i must also say that the farm set up is A1, probably one of the best in south Tipp which makes the management of the farm a lot easier

There are some good guys out there if you are prepared to look hard enough and get rid of guys that aren't working out. Farmer mentioned above also has a top class machinery man for his tillage and contracting but who is also very good with the cows when covering the managers holidays etc. he is lucky to have 2 guys who are as good as they are

whelan1

ye finding it very hard to get the right lad ... have advertised in the journal is there anywhere else i should be looking

Tipp Man

whelan1 wrote: »

ye finding it very hard to get the right lad ... have advertised in the journal is there anywhere else i should be looking

Well your in Louth if memory serves so I'd try something that published up north as well, maybe something like farmers weekly or that but I'd keep trying the journal for a few weeks also if i was you. there are some good lads out there, its just a case of getting the right fella and more often than not its down to luck

would you be offering accomodation?

whelan1

no accomadation... is the 35k the other lad was on before tax?

Tipp Man

whelan1 wrote: »

no accomadation... is the 35k the other lad was on before tax?

Yep that the gross salary, so off top of my head that's about 28 or so to worker and 7 to revenue, don't forget employers prsi as well on top of this

hammer73

Farmers Weekly would be a waste as it covers all the UK, if you want to advertise up north they have Farm Week which comes out on a Thursday but probably the most popular is Farming Life which is a supplement in the Newsletter newspaper on a Saturday (Same as Farming Independent on Tue).

Have you tried the Drogheda Independent or the Dundalk Democrat?

whelan1

ye think i might do that thanks ...

whelan1

hammer73 wrote: »

Farmers Weekly would be a waste as it covers all the UK, if you want to advertise up north they have Farm Week which comes out on a Thursday but probably the most popular is Farming Life which is a supplement in the Newsletter newspaper on a Saturday (Same as Farming Independent on Tue).

Have you tried the Drogheda Independent or the Dundalk Democrat?

my aunt who lives up in newry brought me down the farm week paper , employment section is brutal for a farm paper , asked her to get farming life and she couldnt get it , will try looking it up on line.... will try the drogheda indo and the democrat... will have to see with the bank holiday what the advertising times are , ta... might skip the journal:rolleyes:

hammer73

whelan1 wrote: »

my aunt who lives up in newry brought me down the farm week paper , employment section is brutal for a farm paper , asked her to get farming life and she couldnt get it , will try looking it up on line.... will try the drogheda indo and the democrat... will have to see with the bank holiday what the advertising times are , ta... might skip the journal:rolleyes:

Farm week is not a patch on the farming life regarding classifieds. You need to ask for the NEWSLETTER newspaper on a saturday, as the farming life is a suplement in it like the farming independant is to the indo on a tuesday.

what did you think of the vintage rally yesterday?

whelan1

i didnt get to go:mad: the photos look good and the weather held up too, was there a big crowd

hammer73

Hard to tell if there were more than other years as it was on a different site but there were plenty of folk about. As usual Gerry King had lots of gear there. a couple of other fotos i took yesterday.

whelan1

are there any websites i should advertise on ? had it on fas before but tbh alot of the applicants never stood on a farm before

reilig

whelan1 wrote: »

how much would you pay some one to work 7am -6pm half hour for breakfast , an hour for lunch every second weekend off with a half day on the friday of the weekend off. On the weekend on its milk, feed etc go home then and come back in the evening

I have a friend who works on a 200 cow farm in Cavan. He's 30, been through ag college and has spent the last 10 years working on 2 different farms. He does 45 hours per week and gets €28k. In busy times, he may have to do extra hours but usually gets paid for these in cash. He's very happy in the job and recons that he couldn't do much better.

The Fas site would be useless for it as every hobo that ever picked a raspberry of his granny's farm would apply. I thought the Journal would yield. Did you put a classified ad in? I would recommend spending a few € extra and taking out a box ad, they catch they eye better - maybe even try the Indo on a tuesday.

whelan1

15 euro for a classified ad in drogheda indo thats daylight robbery:mad: its 17 euro in the journal

whelan1

finding it very difficult to get some one with recent experience , have advertised in journal and local papers any other ideas?

Claasman

Do donedeal have an job section? Www.4xtrahands.com is a uk site, might be worth a shot?

whelan1

Claasman wrote: »

Do donedeal have an job section? Www.4xtrahands.com is a uk site, might be worth a shot?

THANKS WENT TO PUT AD ON ITS £102 :eek: , WILL HAVE A READ THROUGH THE AVAILABLE POSITIONS LATER - sorry about capitals

snowman707

any local or community radio station in your area ? most likely would be expensive also with no guarantee of results

do you know any rep. that would be calling to to farming families, co ops. merchants etc , run off a bunch of fliers /poster on the pc and ask him to pass them around

reilig

snowman707 wrote: »

do you know any rep. that would be calling to to farming families, co ops. merchants etc , run off a bunch of fliers /poster on the pc and ask him to pass them around

That's a great idea Snowman. It has to be worth a shot. All the reps that come to us love to talk and I'm sure that any of them would be delighted to drop off a flier or two on their rounds. And they'd be dealing with the type of people that you're looking for!!!!

whelan1

ye will give it a shot, trying to have some one in place for when kids go back to school , was on to frs today and i was shocked at the price :eek: also they too are finding it very hard to get recently experienced people

saltandpepper10

10k per annum on roly poly 28k job nay vocation not very attractive need i say more

whelan1

saltandpepper10 wrote: »

10k per annum on roly poly 28k job nay vocation not very attractive need i say more

yup thats why this country is in the mess its in

dar31

whelan1 wrote: »

ye will give it a shot, trying to have some one in place for when kids go back to school , was on to frs today and i was shocked at the price :eek: also they too are finding it very hard to get recently experienced people

shop around with the frs, we use the frs in the next county down, a lot cheaper.
if its a full time job with fairly good pay, and good responsibility what about looking abroad, england, wales scotland or even oz or kiwi land they love to travel just for the heck of it. accommodation can be got cheaply these days, or a couple the other half could help with child care,

check out the collages, dose nt clonakilty do a dairy herd mgt course, contact them, lads just out of collage would be keen to travel for some good experience
just some thoughts....
why look for recent experience. a lot of good farm workers went to work on the building, and are sitting idle now, they have the skill, just need freshening up

whelan1

dar31 wrote: »

shop around with the frs, we use the frs in the next county down, a lot cheaper.
if its a full time job with fairly good pay, and good responsibility what about looking abroad, england, wales scotland or even oz or kiwi land they love to travel just for the heck of it. accommodation can be got cheaply these days, or a couple the other half could help with child care,

check out the collages, dose nt clonakilty do a dairy herd mgt course, contact them, lads just out of collage would be keen to travel for some good experience
just some thoughts....
why look for recent experience. a lot of good farm workers went to work on the building, and are sitting idle now, they have the skill, just need freshening up

i rang ballyhaise a week ago , might try another frs tomorrow , the reason i am looking for recent experience is that i have had the lads who where engineers etc who come from farms but tbh farming isnt their first love , i am not picky just want some one reliable that will work on their own initiative.

adne

40 K sounds reasonable to me for that kind of comitment / hours...

whelan1

adne wrote: »

40 K sounds reasonable to me for that kind of comitment / hours...

will ignore that ... frs want a 10-15% cut of wages if they recruit some one for you:eek:

adne

whelan1 wrote: »

will ignore that ... frs want a 10-15% cut of wages if they recruit some one for you:eek:

You have to pay 22,500 minimum roughly by law.

7am -6pm half hour for breakfast , an hour for lunch every second weekend off with a half day on the friday of the weekend off. On the weekend on its milk, feed etc go home then and come back in the evening



(7 Am to 6 PM ) 11 Hrs - 1.5hrs breaks = 9.5 Hour Day x 5 days = 47.5 Hours
Average of weekend work = (2 Hours Sat Morn + 2 Hours Sat Eve) + (2 Hours Sun Morn + 2 Hours Sun Eve) = 8 / 2 (to account for alternative weekend)
= 4 Hours
Total = (47.5 + 4) = 51.5 Hours - (Half Day every 2nd Fri) (4 Hrs / 2) = 2 Hours = 49.5 Hours = Round to 50 Hour week.

50 x €8.65 (Min wage per hour Ireland) = 432.50 PW * 52 weeks = €22,490

whelan1

i am paying more than that , its the 40k bit that i was ignoring;)

Tora Bora

I suggest you cut out all these advertising and recruitment agencies. Just offer the job to Lost Covey. I know you would get on like a cow and bale of hay, as they would say in my neck of the woods.

whelan1

could just imagine that:D

dar31

adne wrote: »

You have to pay 22,500 minimum roughly by law.

7am -6pm half hour for breakfast , an hour for lunch every second weekend off with a half day on the friday of the weekend off. On the weekend on its milk, feed etc go home then and come back in the evening



(7 Am to 6 PM ) 11 Hrs - 1.5hrs breaks = 9.5 Hour Day x 5 days = 47.5 Hours
Average of weekend work = (2 Hours Sat Morn + 2 Hours Sat Eve) + (2 Hours Sun Morn + 2 Hours Sun Eve) = 8 / 2 (to account for alternative weekend)
= 4 Hours
Total = (47.5 + 4) = 51.5 Hours - (Half Day every 2nd Fri) (4 Hrs / 2) = 2 Hours = 49.5 Hours = Round to 50 Hour week.

50 x €8.65 (Min wage per hour Ireland) = 432.50 PW * 52 weeks = €22,490

what would be concidered a fair hourly rate for..
1. a general labourer.. routine jobs..told what to do and how to do it
2. a stock man..work of own accord, genaral day to dat running of farm... no management responsabilities
3. what do you think the boss/owner should take as an hourly rate, putting all efforts into running farm
(yearly income(inc expenses,fuel,ins, tax etc) / hours worked)

whelan1

thats a tough question and after getting the frs rates , i would be tempted to sell up and work for them;)

pakalasa

Tora Bora wrote: »

I suggest you cut out all these advertising and recruitment agencies. Just offer the job to Lost Covey. I know you would get on like a cow and bale of hay, as they would say in my neck of the woods.

LOL and all that!

A good idea for a reality TV show!

jonnybravo

Could try posting a few fliers up in the local co-op. Might be a good way to spread the word or might get a farmers son who's looking for a job or a part time farmer whos unemployed. Worth a shot anyways.

reilig

whelan1 wrote: »

thats a tough question and after getting the frs rates , i would be tempted to sell up and work for them;)

FRS will charge you 50% more than they are paying the worker. For example, if they are charging you €15 per hour then they are paying the person working for you €10 per hour. They make a 20% margin (which is fair, all businesses need to make a profit). The 30% is split - 23% is for tax, prsi, income levy, etc. The other 7% is divided between insurance and the cost of their payroll. My % figures might not be exactly right, but that's generally how their charges are broken down. I agree with you that it is an expensive way to employ someone. We would never take someone on long term from them - just for a week or 2 or an odd weekend to cover holidays.

whelan1

ye the frs guy is really pushy , i was saying that it sounds expensive and 2 minutes later he was going i will have a guy out to you tomorrow , i was like wtf:eek:

reilig

whelan1 wrote: »

ye the frs guy is really pushy , i was saying that it sounds expensive and 2 minutes later he was going i will have a guy out to you tomorrow , i was like wtf:eek:

They're under pressure at the moment. They went from being a high profit company in 2008 to just about making a loss in 2009. The recruitment section was responsible for a lot of this (also, they have a lot of bad debts and are owed a lot of money from builders). They know that farmers are reliable and almost always pay.

whelan1

well i can not afford to pay what they are asking , while i will be paying a good wage why should i pay them 25% more:rolleyes: , also the last guy i got off them was pure useless , was happy to watch me work while i was 9 months pregnant and i was made pay him :mad:

reilig

whelan1 wrote: »

well i can not afford to pay what they are asking , while i will be paying a good wage why should i pay them 25% more:rolleyes: , also the last guy i got off them was pure useless , was happy to watch me work while i was 9 months pregnant and i was made pay him :mad:

I agree with you. Sometimes I think that if they guys that they have were any good then they would not need to go through FRS to get the work.

hughie1989

Im 21 and i've been workin on farms during summers and school/college holidays since i was 16 and to be honest the only way I ever got work was through word of mouth. I used to always look at ads in papers etc but never got work as a result. Im in the same yard now for the last 2 years.

I know this is a slightly different situation but it may be something to keep in mind...

LostCovey

Tora Bora wrote: »

I suggest you cut out all these advertising and recruitment agencies. Just offer the job to Lost Covey. I know you would get on like a cow and bale of hay, as they would say in my neck of the woods.

It could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship, Tora Bora if she'd only take your advice

whelan1 wrote: »

the last guy i got off them was pure useless , was happy to watch me work while i was 9 months pregnant and i was made pay him :mad:

Hang on this sounds familiar.......oh......actually I think we have tried this arrangement already....and ...it didn't ....like...work?

Watching you in action was hard work for me whelan1, believe me, I earned every penny.

LC

Clare Bear

I've seen a lot of people looking for all types of farm work on Gumtree.ie in the Farm, Vet, Garden & Landscaping section. You have to put it under the Dublin section and I'm sure it has its share of time wasters but people from all over Ireland advertise on it. It might be worth a try.

whelan1

thanks advertised on that too:rolleyes: and farmads.ie , actually put it in the local trader - a free ads magazine and i have gotten 20 calls since it went out yesterday , so heres hoping

Clare Bear

whelan1 wrote: »

thanks advertised on that too:rolleyes: and farmads.ie , actually put it in the local trader - a free ads magazine and i have gotten 20 calls since it went out yesterday , so heres hoping

Best of luck!