Sunday Business Post not available online until 10 AM THE NEXT DAY

sundaypapers

What's up with that? Can't they afford it, or don't know how to do it. The hypocrisy of a paper mouthing off about the smart economy and technology and not even being able to do what the herald.ie can do is outstanding.

Especially give the amount of effort some of their journalists spend mouthing off on Twitter - constantly.

See: www.sbpost.ie/

"The online edition of the Sunday Business Post now uploads at 10am on Monday."

gaz wac

sundaypapers wrote: »

Can't they afford it, or don't know how to do it.

"The online edition of the Sunday Business Post now uploads at 10am on Monday."

whaa !! so do they forget how to do it every Sunday and remember again on Monday morning at 10am !!!

Why would you buy it on Sunday if its online? Maybe some people are like me, buy the paper, go to local coffee shop and have breakfast and read the paper !!

sceptre

They obviously do it so that people will buy the paper copy as a preference. While I doubt the SBP has an overly developed business model, they've presumably decided that they'd like to have content online (hence, it's put up on Monday) but reckon they'll lose quite a lot of sales if it's put up on a Sunday. Can't blame them for thinking that as it's probably true.

uvox

Anyone know the circulation of that paper? Is it rising, falling...?

The Agogo

On the contrary, this is actually a very good business model. No paywall, only a timewall!

uvox

The website itself is very poor in terms of user experience. Very amateurish.

jmcc

uvox wrote: »

The website itself is very poor in terms of user experience. Very amateurish.

Cutting edge 1999. It is supposed to get an upgrade this year. The decision to update it at 1000 the following Monday is an understandable one in that many of the people who read it have web access. This way it forces a potential purchase of the newspaper by some of the people who would ordinarily read it on the web. However it also means that they may not have to pay people to update it on a Sunday.

Regards...jmcc

IRE60

If it's up dated on Sunday it's most likely done by someone in TCH who is working (like on the Cork Ex or radio).

I'd say someone looked at the Sunday web traffic and on the back of a beer mat did a 'conversion' calculation, makes good business thinking. lots of papers/periodicals do it.

@Uvox Numbers attached - not a pretty picture in the last round.

Jhj10

IRE60 wrote: »

If it's up dated on Sunday it's most likely done by someone in TCH who is working (like on the Cork Ex or radio).

I'd say someone looked at the Sunday web traffic and on the back of a beer mat did a 'conversion' calculation, makes good business thinking. lots of papers/periodicals do it.

@Uvox Numbers attached - not a pretty picture in the last round.

Wow, that's a massive hit. There must be a reason for that. When exactly were these figures compiled do you know?

Edit; OP, I see no reason why SBP would voluntarily cut their sales by going online on Sunday. They have a good strong niche, a product that can't be bought elsewhere, and nothing to gain from Web 2.0 shenanigans as most of their stories are pegged to leaks, industry news etc.

IRE60

They are they ABC figures for each six months, the last being June/December 2009. The next ABC will be out mid August for Jan June 2010.

Interesting note on those figures. The last time that the SBP had a big period on period drop - was the last time Ireland was officially in recession in 2002. The notion that the paper was/is 'recession proof is well ad truly busted.

Jhj10

IRE60 wrote: »

They are they ABC figures for each six months, the last being June/December 2009. The next ABC will be out mid August for Jan June 2010.

Interesting note on those figures. The last time that the SBP had a big period on period drop - was the last time Ireland was officially in recession in 2002. The notion that the paper was/is 'recession proof is well ad truly busted.

True enough. Is it not a bit weird though that a steady climb from 2005 broke for SBP only during the second half of 2009, roughly a year after the economy tanked in late 2008?

Maybe it takes that long for the effects of a crash to work their way through to newspapers.

uvox

IRE60 wrote: »

@Uvox Numbers attached - not a pretty picture in the last round.

many thanks. not good. and do they do that "bundling" thing too - where a load of copies are dumped at one outlet?

The paper is ad driven IMO, with tech coverage little better that regurgitated PR releases and superficial usage reports. That could go for a start as a cost-cutting measure.

Perhaps they had a lucky escape - with those figures Maeve Donovan would have picked them off this year.

IRE60

No they don't deal in the 'black art ' of bulks.

The hit didn't happen because they had a good start to the year, their sales effectively collapsed in April/may/June - but the average for the 6 months was dragged up because of the good start.

The attached shows the month by month for 2009 and you can see that their collapse wasn't actually lagging that far behind the economies.

Jhj10

IRE60 wrote: »

No they don't deal in the 'black art ' of bulks.

The hit didn't happen because they had a good start to the year, their sales effectively collapsed in April/may/June - but the average for the 6 months was dragged up because of the good start.

The attached shows the month by month for 2009 and you can see that their collapse wasn't actually lagging that far behind the economies.

Wow. Pretty much bang in line with the economy alright. I'd say that September result scared a lot of people. Am I correct in thinking ABC data isn't publicly available? i.e. you have to pay em for it?

IRE60

Sign up to the abc site and u can get them, if u need anything specific pm me and I'll get them to u

Jhj10

IRE60 wrote: »

Sign up to the abc site and u can get them, if u need anything specific pm me and I'll get them to u

Cheers. Now to waste some time staring at lines on a screen.

jmcc

uvox wrote: »

The paper is ad driven IMO, with tech coverage little better that regurgitated PR releases and superficial usage reports. That could go for a start as a cost-cutting measure.

The mistake is in thinking that the monthly supplement is a technology supplement. It is really just an advertising supplement. If it stops getting enough advertising to justify its existence, I think that it would be gone.

Regards...jmcc

uvox

jmcc wrote: »

The mistake is in thinking that the monthly supplement is a technology supplement. It is really just an advertising supplement. If it stops getting enough advertising to justify its existence, I think that it would be gone.

Regards...jmcc

Agreed. The Irish Times Innovation supplement is much the same gig I suspect.

uvox

Jhj10 wrote: »

Cheers. Now to waste some time staring at lines on a screen.

Tell me about. I'll be up all night now!

jdivision

sundaypapers wrote: »

What's up with that? Can't they afford it, or don't know how to do it. The hypocrisy of a paper mouthing off about the smart economy and technology and not even being able to do what the herald.ie can do is outstanding.

Why should they give content away for free at the same time the paper is available offline? An online user gets it for nowt, a buyer pays E2.50. Why should they give up about E150k in sales (if everybody switched to online) every week for nothing. Online advertising is big business in the States, here it's peanuts. If readers migrate online and circulation falls, advertisers are willing to pay less or abandon ship altogether. The result will be more newspaper closures. The next set of circulation figures apparently look horrible for everybody.

IRE60

I heard that in the 6 weeks to June - the market dropped by 60k (just in those 6 weeks).

uvox

Do you mean 60K total readership across the boards?

IRE60

Worse - 60k in circulation across the boards.

since the 'indigenous' titles deem only to grace us every 6 months with their figures its difficult to access at this point.

The titles that supply monthly ABC figures (star(s), sun, mirror, mail(s) sunday times, FT Guardian, etc) those mornings and Sundays are back 24k in the 6 months to June 2010

Later this month we will get the 6 month figs for indo, Times, World etc etc and there is a very good chance that they will be down that amount as well.

Last year in the 6 months to June the total newspaper market was down 100,000 copies! That I think will take some beating.

uvox

That should put the Irish Times well under 100K then I'd say? Whither the Sunday Business Post? 45K?

kpbdublin

They go to the trouble of putting together a half decent paper. Why give it away on the web? SBP is one paper that could possibly work with a paywall.

uvox

Murdoch model might apply here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/05/ipad-rupert-murdoch-apple-newscorp

Either way, with falling numbers for the paper version, they'd want to do something proactive...