Dublin North V Dublin South

Corsendonk

Ok someone might have posted this brainwave before but thought I would raise this topic before this weekends clash with Tyrone. Every year Dublin fans build themselves up with the expectation of winning the All Ireland and the local press don't help by overhyping the Dubs to sell papers! And when the pressure comes on against the better teams they usually crack.

So how about cranking up that intensity by playing Dublin North against Dublin South? A best of 3 series that the winner goes on to represent Dublin in the Leinster. Guaranteed full houses at Croker and eager broadcasters to cover the game. If a player can perform in that derby game they shouldn't have a problem against the bigger teams in the All Ireland.

Frank Spencer

You must be having a laugh! If we can't beat the big boys with our full compliment we ain't go to beat them with half of that!

It's not about desire; the current lads give it their all. It's 99% about the application.

What makes you think that half of Dublin will sell out Croker if the full selection can only bring 22,000 at times? You are grossly over estimating the "box office" appeal of the Dublin football team.

I am actually annoyed with myself for replying to this thread!! If you are not a troll it has to be one of the most ill thought out and downright illogical posts I have seen here in a long time and that is saying a lot!

Corsendonk

Its called brain storming mate. Throw an idea out there no matter how daft and see if it floats or sinks. I did actually think this out mate, so i listed a few points below.

1. Existing North South rilvary between Dubs in the city so you have a target market.
2. You have a competitive environment to see players under pressure.
3. We might find a decent coach that knows his first team.
4. Lessens the perception in areas of Dublin football thats its about the club you play for not how good you are.

Bluetonic

Corsendonk wrote: »

Its called brain storming mate. Throw an idea out there no matter how daft and see if it floats or sinks. I did actually think this out mate, so i listed a few points below.

It's not an original ideal, it's been mooted before and was deemed a non runner.

You'll find plenty of discussion and articles online.

Corsendonk

If Croker still keeps getting poor gates this year and no IRFU/FAI money coming in the doors you never know! But I did state in my original post that I thought this idea had been raised before but though now might be a more economic motivated time to look again at the idea. All abit of fun lads, no need to start to foam at the mouth just yet.

Frank Spencer

Corsendonk wrote: »

Its called brain storming mate. Throw an idea out there no matter how daft and see if it floats or sinks. I did actually think this out mate, so i listed a few points below.

1. Existing North South rilvary between Dubs in the city so you have a target market.

There is no North/South rivalry between clubs on Dublin. The rivalry is all local based. Fingal is the stand out one along with the Coolock area.


2. You have a competitive environment to see players under pressure.

Players play in a competitive environment as it is. The senior championship in Dublin is extremely competitive and although only a handful of teams have a chance of winning it every team gives their all to win every championship match they compete in.

3. We might find a decent coach that knows his first team.

You're only allowing the opportunity for two coaches to showcase their talents so not really casting the net too far there.

4. Lessens the perception in areas of Dublin football thats its about the club you play for not how good you are.

This perception does exist to some degree but name some players that aren't on the Dublin panel because of the team they play for at the moment.

This suggestion would also take more players away from their clubs and impinge on an already packed club schedule. There were trials run on a regional basis by Pat Gilroy last December and the games were far from competitive. Also why should we exclude some of the best players in Dublin from playing in the Leinster and All-Ireland Championship just because of what side of the Liffey they hail from. You will be in the situation where you will have a team without either Bernard Brogan, Alan Brogan, Stephen Cluxton et al or MD McAuley, Conal Keaney, Cian O'Sullivan et al. Why would we want to leave these type of players out?

Bluetonic

Corsendonk wrote: »

Every year Dublin fans build themselves up with the expectation of winning the All Ireland

Where have Dublin fans built them self up this year with expectations of winning the All Ireland?

You're talking rubbish.

Corsendonk

I have worked in serveral different locations within Dublin City and there has been always north and south banter especially around sport or what one might do in the company of a sheep if left alone.

As it was only a brain storming idea perhaps then we can tweak the idea and select the best players in each position from the series of games. This is Bluesky thinking lads, anything is possible if you want it to be.

To bluetronic point that I am talking rubbish, have a listen out there in the pubs and clubs if Dublin lose this weekend and you will hear the same lament from supporters that we build them up as an All Ireland Winning Team(which they should given the resources they have) and then we see them play against stronger opposition. Dublin have done well in the Leinster in the last few years due to the fact the opposition sinces Meaths declined has been so poor.

hardybuck

For the last good few years any team to win the Dublin club championship has a few handy lads from the country, who are normally their best players.

Bearing this in mind should Dublin now consider picking some of these players?

You can see that the natural skill levels among this current crop is very poor. They rely on strength and fitness to overpower teams. O'Gara is a perfect example. A terrible footballer but an effective weapon. Is this a product of coaching styles in Dublin currently?

saintsaltynuts

Whoever has come with this "brainwave" seriously want to get their heads examined.Glad your not working for the GAA.95% OF FANS WOULD BE AGAINST this.If its any consolation to you it did catch my eye however daft it might have sounded.

rpurfield

if i could give my neutral view from meath(stop sniggering) few points to note.dublin championship is obviously strong as the eventual champions are always there or there abouts for the club all ireland.however if you ask me theres too many outsiders playing senior club in dublin (ie our own anthony moyles to name one) and its keeping young local talent out of a high pressure situation.

another point i work in dublin and theres been no hype this year.only hype ive encountered is from a scottish man i work with that lives in navan and "supports" dublin do he doesnt count.the excitement is building this week alright but only in the way it would in meath or anywhere else.

final point to note i think this dublin team will run tyrone close and the experience will stand to them for the future once the manager isnt interfeared with this winter or indeed next winter.

DH2K9

The biggest bull**** I have ever heard.

Frank Spencer

Corsendonk wrote: »

I have worked in serveral different locations within Dublin City and there has been always north and south banter especially around sport or what one might do in the company of a sheep if left alone.

As it was only a brain storming idea perhaps then we can tweak the idea and select the best players in each position from the series of games. This is Bluesky thinking lads, anything is possible if you want it to be.

To bluetronic point that I am talking rubbish, have a listen out there in the pubs and clubs if Dublin lose this weekend and you will hear the same lament from supporters that we build them up as an All Ireland Winning Team(which they should given the resources they have) and then we see them play against stronger opposition. Dublin have done well in the Leinster in the last few years due to the fact the opposition sinces Meaths declined has been so poor.

I have never heard of a team in from the Northside of Dublin gunning to beat a team from the Southside. It's always the team down the road you want to beat not some team from the far side of the county. Local derbys are where the passions at.

As I have already said Pat Gilroy has already run the regional trials you are suggesting and there was more passion in a game of tiddlywinks.

Who is this "we" that you speak of that "build them up as an All Ireland Winning Team"? Rpurfield as a Meathman has already stated that no hype is coming from the Dublin supporters this year.

I'm all for hearing new ideas about how to improve football in Dublin but if you put them in the public domain for debate don't be surprised if they are picked apart for not having any merit

Flukey

Why not go the full hog and split up counties like Cork, which has more clubs than any, and Kerry, who have an oversupply of good players? Maybe Kilkenny should be split up too, as they say the second best Hurling team in the country is the Kilkenny B team. You'd find a lot of opposition to those ideas, because they are crazy, as is the suggestion of splitting Dublin. There may be two sides to the Liffey, but there is only one Dublin. Northsiders and southsiders may slag the hell out of each other, but we're side by side and united in the support of Dublin. There is one county (and don't even mention Fingal, Dún Laoghaire Rathdown etc.) so there is only one team. Tipperary North and South Riding wouldn't put out two hurling teams. 32 counties, 32 teams, one per county, no matter what the size or make-up, geographical, political or other of a county. So getting back to the central point of the thread: One Dublin, one team. End of debate.

As for hype by fans, it is very noticeable that there is little or none of it this year, through attendances and general word on the street about how the team is doing. I don't think many people expect Dublin to get past Saturday, and that includes a lot of Dubs.

Corsendonk

Don't forget about New York too, 33 teams.

grenache

Corsendonk wrote: »

Dublin fans build themselves up with the expectation of winning the All Ireland .

I don't know what Dublin fans you've been talking to. I think the majority know they're nowhere near good enough to win the AI.

Bluetonic

Corsendonk wrote: »

To bluetronic point that I am talking rubbish, have a listen out there in the pubs and clubs if Dublin lose this weekend and you will hear the same lament from supporters that we build them up as an All Ireland Winning Team(which they should given the resources they have) and then we see them play against stronger opposition.

Fair weather supporters perhaps may be of that opinion but certainty not the type of supporters I or my fellow match going acquaintances are, or the majority of people who go to Parnell Park Jan to April.

I couldn't care less what rubbish fair weather supporters come out with to be honest.

Nedved85

Why not amalgamate Dublin club teams into say 10/12 teams in the Dublin County Championship, especially at underage, its a great way to play with good players from different clubs and challenge for county titles, Helps the weaker clubs bring on their good players etc...and is for the overall benefit of the county.

hisholinessnb

Rubbish, what about the not so great players at a young age who wont get to play then? Remember many of the players who dont stand out at 12 or 13 turn out to be fantastic footballers as adults while the best underage guys sometimes subbumb to drink / drugs etc and don't achieve their potential.

We cant drive the young guys away who arent standing out at 13 years old as they may be the great players of the future.

Incidentally I have yet to hear one Dub who knows his stuff claiming Dublin will win this weekend never mind win the all ireland!

Nedved85

Im not from Dublin, Im from Kerry, and i have played with an amalgamated team all the way through underage, its great experience for anyone who can get on the panel. Brings up the standard all around. Everyone still plays for their club in the club championship and league, weak & strong players. It works very well down in Kerry, if you dont like the idea...then fair enough, dont ridicule it!

hisholinessnb

Nedved85 wrote: »

Im not from Dublin, Im from Kerry, and i have played with an amalgamated team all the way through underage, its great experience for anyone who can get on the panel. Brings up the standard all around. Everyone still plays for their club in the club championship and league, weak & strong players. It works very well down in Kerry, if you dont like the idea...then fair enough, dont ridicule it!

Apologies, didn't mean to ridicule it, just feel strongly against it.

Dont think the Kerry model would work in Dublin to be honest, the club scene in Kerry and Dublin are 2 totally different worlds.

hardybuck

It has worked very well down in Cork also. Each divison has a group team. Although the group teams aren't as strong as they are in Kerry, it means that practically every member of the county panel, or those with hopes to make the panel, get some opportunity to play senior football.

It means good lads from smaller clubs can play at the highest level and remain at their club. This improves the overall standard.

rpurfield

meath have always had the tradition of lads from junior and inter clubs getting runs on county teams if their good enough but i think the kerry divisonal system has merit providing the senior clubs in that division arent represented on that team

tomdadude

This is a ridiculous idea.

Dublin as a whole aren't good enough.