ANPR Garda Traffic Corps

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Just wondering if anybody knows what the Garda ANPR device looks like? I saw a traffic corps mondeo yesterday with what looked like a small black box (about 15cm wide and 5cm tall) mounted on the boot lid. It had a wire running into the boot and was definatley retro-fitted. Is this ANPR?

Our man in Havana

Yes! Next!

dr.fuzzenstein

Haddockman wrote: »

Yes! Next!

Really?
They have that now?

Our man in Havana

Traffic corps have had ANPR for quite a while now.

R.O.R

Was coming up to a roundabout yesterday with a Mondeo coming from my right. Probably could have made it out safely in front of him, but wasn't in a rush so came to a stop and let the Mondeo through.

Noticed the extra light ont the front side of the bumper as he passed and when I pulled in behind, the ANPR box on the boot. 2008 Purple/Blackcurrant Mondeo 2.0i FlexiFuel.

He pulled the car infront of him a little up the road.

easyeason3

What is ANPR?

Our man in Havana

easyeason3 wrote: »

What is ANPR?

Automatic Number Plate Recognition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANPR

easyeason3

Haddockman wrote: »

Automatic Number Plate Recognition.

What does that do?
Match the number plate to the car make & model?

Atlantic Dawn

easyeason3 wrote: »

What does that do?
Match the number plate to the car make & model?

It basically scans all number plates it comes in to contact with and runs them against a list of untaxed, stolen, uninsured vehicles and if any fall in to this category it flashes up onscreen and Gardai can then investigate.

Matt Simis

easyeason3 wrote: »

What is ANPR?

easyeason3 wrote: »

What does that do?
Match the number plate to the car make & model?

Magic!
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easyeason3

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It basically scans all number plates it comes in to contact with and runs them against a list of untaxed, stolen, uninsured vehicles and if any fall in to this category it flashes up onscreen and Gardai can then investigate.

I remember hearing about that a few years ago alright. Must be fairly effective so.
You know not having tax isn't the end of the world, you can back tax it or get slapped with a hefty fine. But I can't stand people that don't insure a car. It makes my blood boil.

jock101

Ah when you see them, blow them a kiss! xxxx:D:D:D:D

Mr Benevolent

I wonder if it tells the Gardai whether the car has been VRT'd or... wait a minute!

jock101

Confab wrote: »

I wonder if it tells the Gardai whether the car has been VRT'd or... wait a minute!

Well if the car owner has not paid its VRT, they will have no official Irish reg plates, and the ANPR computer will flash like a christmas tree after detecting fake plates!

Glencarraig

The cops have the power to seize the vehicle if the tax is more than 3 monts old, if they decide to do this, you are walking home !!

SV

jock101 wrote: »

Well if the car owner has not paid its VRT, they will have no official Irish reg plates, and the ANPR computer will flash like a christmas tree after detecting fake plates!

No it won't.
All they have to do is copy the plates of a legal road going car that's the same model.
It's done the whole time.

jock101

SV wrote: »

No it won't.
All they have to do is copy the plates of a legal road going car that's the same model.
It's done the whole time.

Mmm, are we talking from experience;)? lol:eek:

Hooch

Glencarraig wrote: »

The cops have the power to seize the vehicle if the tax is more than 3 monts old, if they decide to do this, you are walking home !!

2 months

SV wrote: »

No it won't.
All they have to do is copy the plates of a legal road going car that's the same model.
It's done the whole time.

Yep....happens all the time.....however it only takes one eagle eyed Garda to see it. Usually the English vehicles are easy to spot due to the extras etc on them.

mickdw

nice guy always wrote: »

it only takes one eagle eyed Garda to see it. Usually the English vehicles are easy to spot due to the extras etc on them.

This is a crazy statement imo. So you see a perfectly legal looking car on irish plates & you are telling me an eagle eyed garda can make a decision on it having copied plates based on spec?
There is a very small percentage of cars where this would be possible to be fair.

patrickc

i saw the same mondeo well same colour with the device on the boot on the M1 last week, pulled the car beside me. was wondering what was on the boot alright.

cian1500ww

Seen an Volvo Estate car with one recently on the N4, also had a scrolling sign on the rear but I couldn't make out what was on it as they were going along very nicely and without flashing lights :rolleyes:

alo1587

That was probly an armed response unit volvo.Those scrolling red lights are a total distraction imo

slimjimmc

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It basically scans all number plates it comes in to contact with and runs them against a list of untaxed, stolen, uninsured vehicles and if any fall in to this category it flashes up onscreen and Gardai can then investigate.

Gardaí don't have direct access to insurance records so ANPR currently can't tell if someone is insured or not.

clarke1991

SV wrote: »

No it won't.
All they have to do is copy the plates of a legal road going car that's the same model.
It's done the whole time.

true. my dad got a call one night from the guards asking about the car. a car by the same make, model, reg had just run a garda car off the road

D_murph

clarke1991 wrote: »

true. my dad got a call one night from the guards asking about the car. a car by the same make, model, reg had just run a garda car off the road

Holy crap :eek::eek::eek:.

He could have had a right job trying to prove it wasn't him there.

This made me think about a parking fine that I received in error in April. I rang them about it and they were able to tell me that there was a mis match between the make/model of car and my reg plate so it was thrown out straight away.

I got the letter in the post a week or 2 later stating that my "appeal", had been successful. Appeal my arse, my car was parked outside my house at the time and nowhere near where they said it was :rolleyes:.

Had it been a situation like your dad's and someone was driving around in a car like mine with fake plates with my reg on them, I would not have had a chance of proving it wasn't me then either.

Fozzie Bear

slimjimmc wrote: »

Gardaí don't have direct access to insurance records so ANPR currently can't tell if someone is insured or not.

Don't think thats true.

A courier who delivers to the company I work for was stopped 2 weeks ago outside Tuam in his truck by an unmarked squad car. The Garda walked up to his window and informed him he had no insurance! The courier asked him how he could claim that and the Garda informed him his ANPR system had picked it up.

Now as it happens the courier had renewed his insurance a week or so before hand and was able to show the Garda paperwork/disc to prove it. The Garda said it must not have updated on the computer system yet and let him on his way.

cadaliac

mickdw wrote: »

This is a crazy statement imo. So you see a perfectly legal looking car on irish plates & you are telling me an eagle eyed garda can make a decision on it having copied plates based on spec?
There is a very small percentage of cars where this would be possible to be fair.

The three things that spring to my mind would be vertical tax and insurance holder on the windscreen, instead of a horizontal one, english/wlesh/scottish garage name on the licence plate surrounds or on the rear windscreen, and the extras, i.e alloys on an lx version of a mondeo for instance.
But as you say mick, the car would already have to be under investigation for any eagle eyed person to be in a position to question whether or not the car originated fom the UK.
If the car plates were run through the ANPR, would it tell you if a car was an Irish car or an import.?.....I doubt it. I'd guess that the information is there alright but unless the car was either out of tax or NCT (possibally insurance), the car would not raise any alarms.
So, I think it would be very hard to detect whether or not the plates were duplicated on any car that was put through the ANPR system.

clarke1991

D_murph wrote: »

Holy crap :eek::eek::eek:.

He could have had a right job trying to prove it wasn't him there.

This made me think about a parking fine that I received in error in April. I rang them about it and they were able to tell me that there was a mis match between the make/model of car and my reg plate so it was thrown out straight away.

I got the letter in the post a week or 2 later stating that my "appeal", had been successful. Appeal my arse, my car was parked outside my house at the time and nowhere near where they said it was :rolleyes:.

Had it been a situation like your dad's and someone was driving around in a car like mine with fake plates with my reg on them, I would not have had a chance of proving it wasn't me then either.

he got out of it because the car that ran the garda car off the road was black, but his was red;)! stupid criminals:rolleyes:!

barochoc

To be honest you're more likely to be pulled over for tax & NCT being expired than insurance. Normally if the tax is out there's a chance there's no insurance or the car has just been purchased.

As the Gardai have been doing this for a while a dodgy car sticks out like a sore thumb to them. There's so many give aways you wouldn't believe it.

The ANPR just makes the job a bit easier & more efficient. It amazes me how we didn't have this 10-15 years ago. The Police in the UK have had the system at least for that time or longer. Just watch the TV programs to see how effective & how good they are at spotting bogeys!

slimjimmc

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

Don't think thats true.

A courier who delivers to the company I work for was stopped 2 weeks ago outside Tuam in his truck by an unmarked squad car. The Garda walked up to his window and informed him he had no insurance! The courier asked him how he could claim that and the Garda informed him his ANPR system had picked it up.

Now as it happens the courier had renewed his insurance a week or so before hand and was able to show the Garda paperwork/disc to prove it. The Garda said it must not have updated on the computer system yet and let him on his way.

I had the impression insurance companies were traditionally resistant to providing info but perhaps some have agreed to do so. I don't think the Road Traffic Bill 2009 which requires insurers to share info with the Gardaí has been enacted as law yet, it was still being amended by the Seanad up to 3 weeks ago (link). Integration was always on the cards so the sooner it's achieved the better if it helps rid the roads of a few more chancers.