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Clocking someone else in to work...

  • 26-07-2010 10:14AM
    #1
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    I have a collleague in the HSE who has been asked to clock in antoher person in the mornings. Is there current labour law that covers this area..? What are the possible sanctions if caught clocking someone else in..?


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  • #2
    monkeypants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭monkeypants


    I don't work in HR and I've never worked in the public service, but if you're caught doing this in the private sector, it can be considered as gross misconduct, which normally results in the door. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can give you a more definite answer.


  • #3
    Brayson Itchy Backspace
    Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭ Brayson Itchy Backspace


    I know someone who got fired for doing that in the private sector.


  • #4
    JohnK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,780 ✭✭✭JohnK


    I'm aware of two people who were fired for this, they were clocking each other in on alternate days. They werent exactly public sector but I'd imagine the response would be pretty much the same.


  • #5
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Thanks guys. Pretty serious stuff there. I'll let him know to run a mile. Its just way to risky...


  • #6
    Corruptedmorals
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Corruptedmorals


    Instant dismissal where I work, not that's it's actually possible anymore since the clock-in machines read your hands.


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  • #7
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    In my place you wouldn't get fired but it's a final written warning

    Extremely serious issue


  • #8
    Kensington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭Kensington


    Any of the places I've worked it was considered gross misconduct and it was summary dismissal for the parties involved. It's essentially fraud so I'd imagine any employer would treat it as such. It would state it in your contract anyway if you wanted to know for definite.


  • #9
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    I'd say this would bring you to final written warning in the HSE. Private companied would jump to dismissal in a heartbeat on this one...

    Then there is the other issue that you're stealing from everyone in the country who pays tax to pay the wages of the person who is being clocked in and not there...

    I can't beleive that this person doesn't realise that this is a major NO NO


  • #10
    dan_d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭dan_d


    The only person I've ever heard of who did this did it AFTER he had been given his notice - he got someone else to clock in, while he stayed at home til late in the day, then came in to clock out.

    Major big no-no.Most private companies, particularly on building sites, have hand-scanning machines now.

    Probably wouldn't be expecting that of the HSE though, all things considered.


  • #11
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Denerick


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I have a collleague in the HSE who has been asked to clock in antoher person in the mornings. Is there current labour law that covers this area..? What are the possible sanctions if caught clocking someone else in..?

    Oh, I'm sure you have a 'colleague' ;)

    A winks as good to a blind man and all that...


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  • #12
    3DataModem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    Usually the door, as stated above.

    Was rife in two places I worked. Saw someone get sacked in McD's in Tallaght for it.


  • #13
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    We were told it was sackable in the semi-private sector (i.e. a semi state that was recently privatised, but to all intents and purposes wasn't...draw your own conclusions).


  • #14
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Thanks for the feedback people...:)


  • #15
    Aglomerado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,789 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    In a firm (private sector) I worked in some years ago both parties were fired, the guy who was skiving AND the guy who was clocking him in.


  • #16
    tenchi-fan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭tenchi-fan


    I used to work in Dunnes. While I worked there 4 people got instant dismissal (gross misconduct) for this.

    Basically, clocking other people out is no different than opening one of the tills and stealing €50!

    "current labour law"? :rolleyes: Certainly not in the private sector!


  • #17
    meditraitor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Instant dismisal in private sector but as you said its the HSE so I would say its a slap on the wrist(unions and all)


  • #18
    galah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭galah


    what worries me is that noone (other colleagues, management) notices if that person doesnt show up...

    Position can't be that important then. And yet they scream if jobs are cut...


  • #19
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Denerick


    galah wrote: »
    what worries me is that noone (other colleagues, management) notices if that person doesnt show up...

    Position can't be that important then. And yet they scream if jobs are cut...

    The majority of clerical workers in the civil service could do all of their weeks work in one full, hardworking day. In what other line of work can you get away with having a tea break every two hours, along with an hour and half lunchbreak, along with long hours spent online browsing wikipedia?


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