A new cold war brewing?

partyatmygaff

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/26/2963755.htm?section=world

The Korean peninsula is on high alert today, with Pyongyang threatening a nuclear response to massive war games being held by the United States and South Korea.
Hundreds of war planes, dozens of ships and thousands of military personnel are taking part in the four-day drill designed as a show of force to North Korea after the sinking of a South Korean corvette four months ago.
Washington's star strike fighter - the F-22 Raptor - is the most advanced killing machine taking part in the joint US-South Korea war games.
In total, 200 fighter jets, 20 warships and 8,000 military personnel will be taking part in the drill in the Sea of Japan. All the military hardware has one purpose - to send a shudder all the way to Pyongyang.
The fleet includes the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS George Washington, which is 333 metres long and can accommodate more than 6,000 crew members and 80 warplanes.
"We will be showing off the strongest capabilities in the largest exercise in recent history," South Korean navy general Kim Kyung-sik said.
"The purpose of this drill is to confirm the strong will of the US-South Korea alliance and to send a clear message of warning to North Korea about its provocative acts."
Pyongyang has denounced the exercise as a reckless provocation, warning it is prepared to launch what it calls a "retaliatory sacred war" in response.
Kim Jong-Il's regime says it will not hesitate to unleash its nuclear deterrent.

Leeg17

Who cares. Party at your gaff?

fonecrusher1

chips

El Weirdo

Was this not yesterday?

Biggins

El Weirdo wrote: »

Was this not yesterday?

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055978715

Sorry partyatmygaff.

Side note: I noticed for weeks now that other newspapers and media are repeating stories that are exclusives in the British Times and trying to portray them as their own.
All they are doing just rewording them! The journalists in The Times must be rightly pissed off.
So far The Mail, SKY news, The Guardian, American stations to name a few have done this in the last few weeks.

fonecrusher1

El Weirdo wrote: »

Was this not yesterday?

no it'l be yesterday in about 25 minutes.

Coriolanus

Technically they've never been at peace, so it's the same ol' war.

My name is URL

Did the first Cold War ever end?

El Weirdo

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

no it'l be yesterday in about 25 minutes.

Won't that be tomorrow?

sron

My name is URL wrote: »

Did the first Cold War ever end?

Global Warming did it in.

javaboy

Thought this was gonna be about the big beer brands going head to head with this whole chilled below zero gimmick they all seem to be doing at the moment. The brewing bit in the thread title would have made for a good pun.

caseyann

What is he crying about again,been honest any country that parade missiles down through their city,makes me weary of them.Bunch of lunatics.
I guess you could say they are trying to make up for what they are missing in size,Big cars dont do it for them

pablomakaveli

It looks like more sabre rattling from both sides and yet the North Koreans seem to be becoming more brazen lately as well so who knows what'll happen.

fonecrusher1

El Weirdo wrote: »

Won't that be tomorrow?

No. After midnight anything that happened before midnight is yesterday.

chips

JayEnnis

I just feel bad for the polar bears.

If Korea attacks the US the most they could reach would be Alaska.

bullpost

Hopefully - the novels were good.

SugarHigh

Biggins wrote: »

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055978715

Sorry partyatmygaff.

Side note: I noticed for weeks now that other newspapers and media are repeating stories that are exclusives in the British Times and trying to portray them as their own.
All they are doing just rewording them! The journalists in The Times must be rightly pissed off.
So far The Mail, SKY news, The Guardian, American stations to name a few have done this in the last few weeks.

It definitly wasn't an exclusive for the times. The bbc had the video of the N.Korea spokesperson announcing that they will not hesitate to use nuclear force and he was surrounded by journalists.

SugarHigh

caseyann wrote: »

What is he crying about again,been honest any country that parade missiles down through their city,makes me weary of them.Bunch of lunatics.
I guess you could say they are trying to make up for what they are missing in size,Big cars dont do it for them

Most countries do this in some form.

Biggins

SugarHigh wrote: »

It definitly wasn't an exclusive for the times. The bbc had the video of the N.Korea spokesperson announcing that they will not hesitate to use nuclear force and he was surrounded by journalists.

No, not that story alone - but the Times was one of the first with some of the details but others like the targeting of the Taliban. Since the times report, I've seen it now crop up else where in European papers and media. Material the same, just reworded. I see this a few times with others stories too.

There would be nothing for months, if ever but as soon as The Times reports it, other media then days/weeks later are all over it and trying to write it as their own. They should at least give credit where it is due.
A rare one or two actually do including our very own Herald Metro to their credit with the phrase "...as reported in...".

Its like the tabloids are STUCK* they reach for Reuters, APP and The Times for further ideas. Its just a strange thing I've noted.

I'm side-tracking the thread. I apologise. Me shutting up.

*Edit: Spelling correction.

caseyann

SugarHigh wrote: »

Most countries do this in some form.

Here? America? England? parade bombs through streets while their leaders stand up on the balcony.lol

JayEnnis

caseyann wrote: »

Here? America? England? parade bombs through streets while their leaders stand up on the balcony.lol

Not quite bombs but examples of military force.

Think of the Easter parade.

caseyann

JayEnnis wrote: »

Not quite bombs but examples of military force.

Think of the Easter parade.

Ah but that wasnt a show of threat to another country,no nuclear bombs rolling through the streets

are you from kilnamangh :P

MrSir

If there is a cold war that goes 'warm' I'm going go Indiana Jones on it and hop in the ol' fridge.
'No Mom you can't come in here!'

caseyann

caseyann wrote: »

Here? America? England? parade bombs through streets while their leaders stand up on the balcony.lol

You have a problem with a country that's been at war for decades parading their wares?

While I may not agree with North Korea's existence, it has barely affected anyone else's.. Maybe I don't know enough about it but apart from the odd thing along the border, it leaves the rest of the world alone unlike America etc.

Just leave them alone I say.

caseyann

Deleted User wrote: »

You have a problem with a country that's been at war for decades parading their wares?

While I may not agree with North Korea's existence, it has barely affected anyone else's.. Maybe I don't know enough about it but apart from the odd thing along the border, it leaves the rest of the world alone unlike America etc.

Just leave them alone I say.

HAHA they are threatening us all with nuclear weapons.Only for innocent men,women and children and animals in that country.I would hope he would trip on that switch and nuc himself :mad:

Coriolanus

caseyann wrote: »

HAHA they are threatening us all with nuclear weapons.Only for innocent men,women and children and animals in that country.I would hope he would trip on that switch and nuc himself :mad:

1) They don't have a delivery system worth a damn and 2) their nuclear capability is overblown by the media.
Considering how quick America in particular are to jump onto non-threats, do you think for a minute that if there was a realistic threat posed by NK that they wouldn't be all over it?

Biggins

Biggins wrote: »

No, not that story alone - but the Times was one of the first with some of the details but others like the targeting of the Taliban. Since the times report, I've seen it now crop up else where in European papers and media. Material the same, just reworded. I see this a few times with others stories too.

There would be nothing for months, if ever but as soon as The Times reports it, other media then days/weeks later are all over it and trying to write it as their own. They should at least give credit where it is due.
A rare one or two actually do including our very own Herald Metro to their credit with the phrase "...as reported in...".

Its like the tabloids are stuff they reach for Reuters, APP and The Times for further ideas. Its just a strange thing I've noted.

I'm side-tracking the thread. I apologise. Me shutting up.

This is pretty much how the media works nowadays though..everythings a rewrite..journalism is dead..

caseyann

caseyann wrote: »

HAHA they are threatening us all with nuclear weapons.Only for innocent men,women and children and animals in that country.I would hope he would trip on that switch and nuc himself :mad:

And what are America doing over there parading their army for?? As far as I can see, if North Korea were left be, none of this would be happening.. How is something in North East Asia relevant for Americans?

If we had ships and missiles on our borders or in our country, we'd want to goto war aswell. And in the case of Afghanistan/Iraq, we'd definitely become terrorists looking at our history. The first world can't keep bullying the rest of the world now that these weapons exist. Something will happen and I guarantee it will be the western world that provokes it.

mike65

Hopefully a return to the good old days, cos back in the day you knew who the enemy was and where they were. None of this skulking about under big robes on camels sh1te - big tanks and mobile ICBM launchers. Can't miss them.

SugarHigh

Biggins wrote: »

No, not that story alone - but the Times was one of the first with some of the details but others like the targeting of the Taliban. Since the times report, I've seen it now crop up else where in European papers and media. Material the same, just reworded. I see this a few times with others stories too.

There would be nothing for months, if ever but as soon as The Times reports it, other media then days/weeks later are all over it and trying to write it as their own. They should at least give credit where it is due.
A rare one or two actually do including our very own Herald Metro to their credit with the phrase "...as reported in...".

Its like the tabloids are stuff they reach for Reuters, APP and The Times for further ideas. Its just a strange thing I've noted.

I'm side-tracking the thread. I apologise. Me shutting up.

That's the point of Reuters and APP, they are basically groups of freelance journalist who sell their stories to media outlets. Not everyone is going to have a journalist everywhere. If there is only one journalist at the scene he will sell his story to everyone and they will have their own journalist reprint it with some of their own opinions put in. Papers have always worked like this and if they didn't Irish papers would be mostly empty because they aren't large enough to have journalist stationed everywhere.

SugarHigh

caseyann wrote: »

Ah but that wasnt a show of threat to another country,no nuclear bombs rolling through the streets

are you from kilnamangh :P

That is what America is doing right now

It's a show of force from America and S.Korea it's common and accepted practice, there is nothing wrong or insane about it.

SugarHigh

Deleted User wrote: »

And what are America doing over there parading their army for?? As far as I can see, if North Korea were left be, none of this would be happening.. How is something in North East Asia relevant for Americans?

If we had ships and missiles on our borders or in our country, we'd want to goto war aswell. And in the case of Afghanistan/Iraq, we'd definitely become terrorists looking at our history. The first world can't keep bullying the rest of the world now that these weapons exist. Something will happen and I guarantee it will be the western world that provokes it.

It started up again because N.Korea sunk a S.Korean ship.

How is something in North East Asia relevant for Americans?

S.Korea is a strong ally to the US. The US even mans the borders at the DMZ.

orourkeda

sure you cant beat a bit of an oul cold war

Biggins

SugarHigh wrote: »

That's the point of Reuters and APP, they are basically groups of freelance journalist who sell their stories to media outlets. Not everyone is going to have a journalist everywhere. If there is only one journalist at the scene he will sell his story to everyone and they will have their own journalist reprint it with some of their own opinions put in. Papers have always worked like this and if they didn't Irish papers would be mostly empty because they aren't large enough to have journalist stationed everywhere.

Aye, I understand the reason why the first two exists. My point was that also the third mentioned (and possibly others) are now seen as unofficial versions/agencies of the same first two.
Not disagreeing with you by the way, just clarifying.

SugarHigh

SugarHigh wrote: »

S.Korea is a strong ally to the US. The US even mans the borders at the DMZ.

Why though? In the fight against big bad communism?

Same with Israel, they're just fueling conflicts.

SugarHigh

Deleted User wrote: »

Why though? In the fight against big bad communism?

Same with Israel, they're just fueling conflicts.

If you remember the Korean war which is still going on, the US came to the aid of S.Korea and have been helping them ever since. How are they fueling this conflict?

N.Korea made the first move by attacking a S.Korean ship so now both the US and S.Korea are simply showing their military power in a non-violent way to hopefully scare the **** out of N.Korea.

If N.Korea's action were met with indifference don't you think they would continue attacking S.Korea?

SugarHigh

SugarHigh wrote: »

If you remember the Korean war which is still going on, the US came to the aid of S.Korea and have been helping them ever since. How are they fueling this conflict?

N.Korea made the first move by attacking a S.Korean ship so now both the US and S.Korea are simply showing their military power in a non-violent way to hopefully scare the **** out of N.Korea.

If N.Korea's action were met with indifference don't you think they would continue attacking S.Korea?

In most conflicts, this happens and the war ends. Instead, you have America "helping" South Korea and prolonging the whole ordeal.

Do you think one single American gives a fuk about any south korean? No.. America are there to have an interest next to China and North Korea.

kielmanator

send over master chief from HALO. He'd win hands down. (Though against who, I know not.)

On a serious note: I'm sick and tired of turning on the news everyday and hearing the same tripe about NK this and SK that. FFS someone just infiltrate NK and assassinate whatshisface.

Adamisconfused

US nuclear stockpile: 5,113

North Korean stockpile: 2-4


Not exactly a proper cold war. Certainly not like the good old days.
The Soviets had class.

SugarHigh

Deleted User wrote: »

In most conflicts, this happens and the war ends. Instead, you have America "helping" South Korea and prolonging the whole ordeal.

Do you think one single American gives a fuk about any south korean? No.. America are there to have an interest next to China and North Korea.

In most conflicts, this happens and the war ends. Instead, you have America "helping" South Korea and prolonging the whole ordeal.

How are America prolonging it by manning a border? Do you think N.Korea and S.Korea would have sorted their differences if it wasn't for America? What has America actually done to prolong this because as far as I can see they are a deterrent to stop N.Korea attacking and are therefor stopping conflict.

Do you think one single American gives a fuk about any south korean? No.. America are there to have an interest next to China and North Korea.

It's in everybody's interest for there not to be a war between N.Korea and S.Korea. We would also be negatively effected.

A war could cause a slump in China's economy which affects out economy and will also affect America's economy which once again affects out economy.

JayEnnis

SugarHigh wrote: »

A war could cause a slump in China's economy which affects out economy and will also affect America's economy which once again affects out economy.

If anything wars generally boost economy's.

SugarHigh

JayEnnis wrote: »

If anything wars generally boost economy's.

Facepalm. I hear so many people say this just because of America in WW2. America manufacturing industry was in a massive slump before ww2 and it gave them work. This isn't the case in China whose anufactorng industry is booming and would not be replaced by ammunitions manufactoring because they already have more than enough to deal with N.Korea.

A war with N.Korea will affect imports of raw materials that China needs to keep it's manufacturing industry booming and it would also affect exports of all the products being made. So Basically they wouldn't have the materials to amke the products that they wouldn't even be able to sell if they could.

ShumanTheHuman

SugarHigh wrote: »

Facepalm. I hear so many people say this just because of America in WW2. America manufacturing industry was in a massive slump before ww2 and it gave them work. This isn't the case in China whose anufactorng industry is booming and would not be replaced by ammunitions manufactoring because they already have more than enough to deal with N.Korea.

A war with N.Korea will affect imports of raw materials that China needs to keep it's manufacturing industry booming and it would also affect exports of all the products being made. So Basically they wouldn't have the materials to amke the products that they wouldn't even be able to sell if they could.

Who cares? It'll be over by Christmas

orourkeda

Adamisconfused wrote: »

US nuclear stockpile: 5,113

North Korean stockpile: 2-4


Not exactly a proper cold war. Certainly not like the good old days.
The Soviets had class.

They had some pretty good stones too.