Will there ever be decent jobs again

Dannyboy1987

I would like to say the government is a shambles , they can pump billions of our money in to banks to keep them a float , but at the end of the day its use average folks that suffer , Smart economy jobs ? Sorry but i wasn't trained for that i have my qualification. Start pumping money in to jobs should be the cry . A bank is a business when a business can't deal with its problems it goes bust. don't see the government bailing out small and medium sized business. if i could punch Cowen in the face i would (maybe not , Can't Justify prison for him) :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

danbohan

Dannyboy1987 wrote: »

I would like to say the government is a shambles , they can pump billions of our money in to banks to keep them a float , but at the end of the day its use average folks that suffer , Smart economy jobs ? Sorry but i wasn't trained for that i have my qualification. Start pumping money in to jobs should be the cry . A bank is a business when a business can't deal with its problems it goes bust. don't see the government bailing out small and medium sized business. if i could punch Cowen in the face i would (maybe not , Can't Justify prison for him) :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

depends on your defination of a decent job , salarys will not recover anytime soon , ersi say 200k may emigrate in next 5 years , if opportunitys improve abroad that figure could be much much higher , we have a shambles here as we have had many times before so if you want a decent job you may have to leave

hobochris

Depends a lot on your industry, some have picked up already others are still in decline.

What industries are picking up/will pick up in the near future?

InReality

Its hard to know. new industries are likely to emerge over time , ie look at amount of jobs related to IT , never existed 20 years ago.

new skills needed/valued too.

That said in general unemployment stats generally show the more education you have the better and if you can specialize in something thats better again.

cleremy jarkson

So graduates coming straight out of college onto jobs paying them 40 or 50 grand a year was just decent?
Sorry, but I'm of the opinion that the wages on offer a few years ago were very very generous.

Dannyboy1987

cleremy jarkson wrote: »

So graduates coming straight out of college onto jobs paying them 40 or 50 grand a year was just decent?
Sorry, but I'm of the opinion that the wages on offer a few years ago were very very generous.

Depends on what qualification you have i suppose

cleremy jarkson

cleremy jarkson wrote: »

So graduates coming straight out of college onto jobs paying them 40 or 50 grand a year was just decent?
Sorry, but I'm of the opinion that the wages on offer a few years ago were very very generous.

Graduates working for €19000 - €22000, or worse, for €196/week in the WPPs, isn't ideal either.

AARRRRGH

Dannyboy1987 wrote: »

I would like to say the government is a shambles , they can pump billions of our money in to banks to keep them a float , but at the end of the day its use average folks that suffer , Smart economy jobs ? Sorry but i wasn't trained for that i have my qualification. Start pumping money in to jobs should be the cry . A bank is a business when a business can't deal with its problems it goes bust. don't see the government bailing out small and medium sized business. if i could punch Cowen in the face i would (maybe not , Can't Justify prison for him) :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

You have to go out and get the nice jobs. Jobs dont come to you anymore.
There are plenty of very good, very well paid jobs out there for those talented enough to go get them.
The problem with Ireland is that people seem to want everything handed to them. And if they cant have it handed to them they just try to blame their problems on others.
If you let your skills become irrelevant then you are in trouble. Nobody is to blame but yourself.

salonfire

salonfire wrote: »

Graduates working for €19000 - €22000, or worse, for €196/week in the WPPs, isn't ideal either.

But it's not that bad. It's totally normal here in London for people to start working for that out of college and even after an MA and London is more expensive than Dublin. A starting salary of anywhere near 30K would be unheard of for most people. There is one job with a big employer a load of us are applying for, the starting salary is £45K but the admission procedure is absolutely insane. All manner of aptitude tests, a 20 page application form, near native fluency in 3 languages etc. I can't imagine leaving college with a bog standard degree and expecting to get that kind of money right away.

People in the public sector wouldn't get out of bed for that type of salary. That is one of the reasons I was pissed off listening to them last year.

For months, they were in the media telling us that 'low paid' workers on a salary of 'only' €30000 were being unfairly targeted for cuts.

The Croke Park agrement states that those 'low paid' people should be the first to get their pay restored.

And yet in the private sector, €19000 is considered perfectly acceptable.

salonfire

salonfire wrote: »

People in the public sector wouldn't get out of bed for that type of salary. That is one of the reasons I was pissed off listening to them last year.

For months, they were in the media telling us that 'low paid' workers on a salary of 'only' €30000 were being unfairly targeted for cuts.

The Croke Park agrement states that those 'low paid' people should be the first to get their pay restored.

And yet in the private sector, €19000 is considered perfectly acceptable.

Lots of people are just entitled moaners, in any sector. I worked with a girl a few years ago who was covering for someone else in the company. She was 22, had no degree, not a great Leaving Cert and only reception experience and she told me she 'wouldn't get out of bed for less than 24K.' She had it in her head that less than that was slave labour, and she'd be better off on the dole. I couldn't get my head around why she thought she was entitled to 2K a month with no degree and no special skills at all. Celtic Tiger mindset, I suppose.

danbohan

[quote=[Deleted User];67091410]Lots of people are just entitled moaners, in any sector. I worked with a girl a few years ago who was covering for someone else in the company. She was 22, had no degree, not a great Leaving Cert and only reception experience and she told me she 'wouldn't get out of bed for less than 24K.' She had it in her head that less than that was slave labour, and she'd be better off on the dole. I couldn't get my head around why she thought she was entitled to 2K a month with no degree and no special skills at all. Celtic Tiger mindset, I suppose.[/QUOTE]

true ,in 2006 i had a 19 year old blocklayer tell me he was leaving the job because he could not live on 850 take home per week , i dare say he might be living on that per month now !

cleremy jarkson

danbohan wrote: »

true ,in 2006 i had a 19 year old blocklayer tell me he was leaving the job because he could not live on 850 take home per week , i dare say he might be living on that per month now !

Hopefully he is. Might make him realise that the situation he was in back in 2006 was extremely abnormal and that he didn't deserve a wage so high.

Arthurdaly

[quote=[Deleted User];67091410]Lots of people are just entitled moaners, in any sector. I worked with a girl a few years ago who was covering for someone else in the company. She was 22, had no degree, not a great Leaving Cert and only reception experience and she told me she 'wouldn't get out of bed for less than 24K.' She had it in her head that less than that was slave labour, and she'd be better off on the dole. I couldn't get my head around why she thought she was entitled to 2K a month with no degree and no special skills at all. Celtic Tiger mindset, I suppose.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more, when I started in the worplace 1) I was initally happy to have a job even though I was educated, those around me told me it would be impossible to get a decent job. This was 1992 at the beginning of the boom times. 2) Initally I exelled at my job but was passed over for maybe 5 years and no sign of a promotion 3) I moved on to another company in 1998 and from there I was promoted constantly which I felf I deserved and never really felt the postion was unjustified.

Looking back alot of people pulled eachother along and created positions to justify their massive salaries. There is a significant salary bubble in this country at the moment and these people are simply not worth their salary. I wortk alongside these people that are commanding 150K+ and attend meeting after meeting but they do absolutely zero! My opinion is this country needs a salary freeze for these type of poelpe for at least 10 years.

I feel sorry for people leaving college at the moment with zero opportunity!!