National league results (lack of)

longjump67

anyone have any idea of the results of the national league held in Athlone and santry last weekend? No reports or results up yet on the AAI website

ecoli

longjump67 wrote: »

anyone have any idea of the results of the national league held in Athlone and santry last weekend? No reports or results up yet on the AAI website

Hopefully today as they were up pretty quick after the first round which they were up in a day or two so i presume it will be the same with this. Some great races in Santry especially in the sprints , was a pitty about thewind kinda ruined good times

thirtyfoot

The National League scoring, the last great mystery of the modern age. Its straightforward enough to get 40-50 columns of numbers, sort them by rank, for half sum the top 17 numbers, for the others sum the top 15 numbers, add these calculations to the top 17 (or 15) that was calculated for the same column in the 1st round. I have solved the last great mystery. Tallymen suggest that the mens premier is:

Clonliffe, C of Derry, DSD, Raheny, Menapians, Tullamore, Kerry, St Abbans. don't have others and this is just based on results I got from various clubs and not official.

helpisontheway

Womens premier looking like ferrybank,ballymena,leevale,kerry,DSD, City of Lisburn,North down with the last place close between Tir Chonaill,Borrisokane and KCH.
Fantastic to see Gordon Kenneddy out competing for Tullamore in the leagues yesterday winning the 200m and running both relays,inspirational stuff! Of course he is already a well respected and liked guy but his appearance yesterday was a huge talking point and peoples opinions of him rose even further.

thirtyfoot

helpisontheway wrote: »

Fantastic to see Gordon Kenneddy out competing for Tullamore in the leagues yesterday winning the 200m and running both relays,inspirational stuff! Of course he is already a well respected and liked guy but his appearance yesterday was a huge talking point and peoples opinions of him rose even further.

True, a legend and a true clubman while also being an elite. Rare these days. People had written him off yet he has comeback this year. Hope he goes on until 2012.

woodchopper

longjump67 wrote: »

anyone have any idea of the results of the national league held in Athlone and santry last weekend? No reports or results up yet on the AAI website

Perhaps the AAI are too busy looking up road race results in America to find the time to publish national league results. Only a guess

thirtyfoot

woodchopper wrote: »

Perhaps the AAI are too busy looking up road race results in America to find the time to publish national league results. Only a guess

Hope not as it'll confuse them as they'll be putting athletes in wrong events, guys entered in 5000 being put into 1500, 3000sc into 110H and so on

woodchopper

Tingle wrote: »

Hope not as it'll confuse them as they'll be putting athletes in wrong events, guys entered in 5000 being put into 1500, 3000sc into 110H and so on

The quote was made prior to AAI statement. This makes your response very petty as it was made the day after when we all knew the score. How come you didnt reply to my reponse on another thread whereby I outlined the differnet dilemnas and how they should have been dealth with, quite possibly it was a compentant post where you counldnt nit pick.

thirtyfoot

woodchopper wrote: »

The quote was made prior to AAI statement. This makes your response very petty as it was made the day after when we all knew the score. How come you didnt reply to my reponse on another thread whereby I outlined the differnet dilemnas and how they should have been dealth with, quite possibly it was a compentant post where you counldnt nit pick.

Chill dude, only having a bit of craic. If you post a smart arse comment are you not opening yourself up to a bit of banter and smart arse comments in return, playing with fire and all that???

woodchopper

Tingle wrote: »

Chill dude, only having a bit of craic. If you post a smart arse comment are you not opening yourself up to a bit of banter and smart arse comments in return, playing with fire and all that???

good man or good women. You have taught me the error of my ways. On a lighter note the great cloniffe harriers the number one club in ireland look set to retain their title in Tullamore in August.

helpisontheway

Provisional scores attached.

notsofast

woodchopper wrote: »

good man or good women. You have taught me the error of my ways. On a lighter note the great cloniffe harriers the number one club in ireland look set to retain their title in Tullamore in August.

On the men's side yes, women are not in Premier league. Same with Derry. Combining men's and women's results would put DSD top.

Anyone in favour of combining the the men and women into one league, similar to the new European format? Seems to me that the reasons for merging the European competition hold true for the National League.

RoyMcC

notsofast wrote: »

Anyone in favour of combining the the men and women into one league, similar to the new European format? Seems to me that the reasons for merging the European competition hold true for the National League.

It's a good ideal but you'll always come up against disagreement amongst the clubs I suspect. No strong mens' squad wants to see themselves pulled back down the table by a weak women's squad, or vice versa. Ideally it would encourage clubs to develop where they're weakest but...

Wtf happened to Crusaders the minute I turn my back

longjump67

Looks like Tir conhaill ladies will not be in position to defend their title, a poor first day looks like it has robbed them of a place in the final by 1pt.:( (if this is the final league postions as I would be surprised there was not a request for a recount as it is so close).

With regards to combining the mens and womens leagues, on principal it would be the strongest overall club that would win but as many teams have only a mens or womens team it would hard to implement

helpisontheway

RoyMcC wrote: »

Wtf happened to Crusaders the minute I turn my back

Very lucky not to be in a position of demotion!:o
Clonliffe should win the mens but i wouldnt rule out Derry giving them a bit of a push with a full team.DSD will be strong on the track but are probably the weakest team in the field.Leevale would have also been a threat but amazingly havent qualified.If Derry or DSD faulter Raheny will take adavantage.Realistically Kerry,Tullamore,Menapians and St Abbans will just be fighting to finish as high up as possible between 5th and 8th.

The womens should be a cracker with no team really hot favourites.Ferrybank are strong everywhere bar distance running;Leevale would need Derval,Ailish,maybe Imelda Morrisson back from the UK along with Deirdre Murphy staying on for the final before she goes back to the US;Ballymena would be my bet as i think they are the most well rounded.Id go Ballymena,Ferrybank,Leevale,North Down,Kerry,DSD,Lisburn and KCH.

Div 1 men should be between Ferrybank/Limerick and GCH.
Div 1 women should be as the finishing points say between West Waterford/Galway and Clonliffe.

BUT OF COURSE IT NEVER WORKS OUT AS IT SHOULD AND THATS WHAT MAKES IT SUCH AN FANTASTIC COMPETITION!:)

helpisontheway

longjump67 wrote: »

Looks like Tir conhaill ladies will not be in position to defend their title, a poor first day looks like it has robbed them of a place in the final by 1pt.:( (if this is the final league postions as I would be surprised there was not a request for a recount as it is so close).

With regards to combining the mens and womens leagues, on principal it would be the strongest overall club that would win but as many teams have only a mens or womens team it would hard to implement

As stated above provisional points totals.If they gain an extra point due to a mistake then they will still only be level meaning the team with the most 1st places go through i think.Tbh even though they are the defending champions even with a full team available to them in the final they would probably not push the top 3 as the standard of the womens seems to be rising year by year and there doesnt seem to be alot of fresh blood being introduced to their team imo.

longjump67

Have noticed that in the provisional results North Down have 105 pts from round 1 but on the AAI website the round 1 score is 103 pts? A 2 pt swing if the AAI results are official then Tir Conhaill should be 8th.

Would agree that the standard of the womens league is much stronger this year and even if TC do get to the final mid table is probably were they would finnish. ferrybank, B&A and KCH would be the stronest teams I think with ferrybank edgeing it

BornToRun88

I think the League should be run on a 3 round basis with the teams on the most points after 3 rounds winning the leagues in their respective divisions. This would would be a true league compared to the present situation of two rounds and then a final with your positioning going into the final determining what points you start the day with in the league final.

ecoli

BornToRun88 wrote: »

I think the League should be run on a 3 round basis with the teams on the most points after 3 rounds winning the leagues in their respective divisions. This would would be a true league compared to the present situation of two rounds and then a final with your positioning going into the final determining what points you start the day with in the league final.

I think given the fact that alot clubs do be missing there top athletes for races on the continent etc means that overall it would lose its appeal as usually the final is after major championships and as such you can see some of the top people in the final. If you see the likes of Connolly Colvert etc are an example of this in the last round would have been running except were chasing standards

BornToRun88

The final being on in mid-August is bad planning as well. Many people go away in mid-August especially. But this, along with a million other things, I would like to see changed in Irish athletics

helpisontheway

longjump67 wrote: »

Have noticed that in the provisional results North Down have 105 pts from round 1 but on the AAI website the round 1 score is 103 pts? A 2 pt swing if the AAI results are official then Tir Conhaill should be 8th.

Would agree that the standard of the womens league is much stronger this year and even if TC do get to the final mid table is probably were they would finnish. ferrybank, B&A and KCH would be the stronest teams I think with ferrybank edgeing it

The results on the AAI website were incorrect and all clubs informed of any adjustments made including North Downs increase of 2 pts.

longjump67

helpisontheway wrote: »

The results on the AAI website were incorrect and all clubs informed of any adjustments made including North Downs increase of 2 pts.

The results were wrong or the pionts total ? Have looked trhough the round 1 results and found that north down and B & A were given joint 1st in the womens Pole vault is that were the 2pt increase came from? Is it not the case that when tied for a place the 2 points are added and divided by 2. This would have given North Down an extra 1 pt not 2 pts.
9 + 7 = 16 / 2 =8 pts each

helpisontheway

longjump67 wrote: »

The results were wrong or the pionts total ? Have looked trhough the round 1 results and found that north down and B & A were given joint 1st in the womens Pole vault is that were the 2pt increase came from? Is it not the case that when tied for a place the 2 points are added and divided by 2. This would have given North Down an extra 1 pt not 2 pts.
9 + 7 = 16 / 2 =8 pts each

The points totals were wrong.The points seem to have been divided correctly with 9+7=16 divided by 2=8pts per team giving North Down a correct total of 105pts by my calculations.

longjump67

helpisontheway wrote: »

The points totals were wrong.The points seem to have been divided correctly with 9+7=16 divided by 2=8pts per team giving North Down a correct total of 105pts by my calculations.

have gone over the results three times and still come up with 104pts? if North Down given 8 Pt's for PV
Have the results been clarified yet?

brutes1

Any results up by event yet does anyone know...

longjump67

BornToRun88 wrote: »

I think the League should be run on a 3 round basis with the teams on the most points after 3 rounds winning the leagues in their respective divisions. This would would be a true league compared to the present situation of two rounds and then a final with your positioning going into the final determining what points you start the day with in the league final.

My idea was to run Provincal club league over two rounds, Ulster, Lenister, Munster and Connaght. With the top 2 going into A final and the 3rd & 4th teams in B Final. Could be run as Mens and Womens or combined teams. What do you all think?

longjump67

Wednesday night 10.15 and still no official results from the national league round 2 from Athlone and Santry, what's the hold up?

RealistSpy

longjump67 wrote: »

My idea was to run Provincal club league over two rounds, Ulster, Lenister, Munster and Connaght. With the top 2 going into A final and the 3rd & 4th teams in B Final. Could be run as Mens and Womens or combined teams. What do you all think?

Thats would be a good Idea it would give small club a chance to compete I guess.