Snowy owl???

Bendy85

Does anybody know what papers are required to keep a taxidermy snowy owl bird of prey in Ireland?

Ponster

Mod Edit : Probably the wrong forum being I'm moving this to Hunting.

Bendy85

Ok thanks, only new to this not too sure how to use it properly yet,Thanks.

jwshooter

is the bird mounted or to be mounted . also how did it meet its demise

Bendy85

Havent bought it yet, it is mounted, just wondering is it legal to have it without papers?

jwshooter

the taxidermist would have to log it and inform there local wild life ranger .

round tower huntsman

if someone finds a dead animal like an owl or a pinemartin or any such protected animal, can they have it stuffed.
my mate hit a pine martin in his car,killed it,but left it at side of road. but when he rang me and told me,i said go back and pick it up and get it stuffed. he would cos he reckoned it was illegal!
is that the case?

terminator2

there are a few foreign birds down my way that could use a good stuffing :D

jwshooter

round tower huntsman wrote: »

if someone finds a dead animal like an owl or a pinemartin or any such protected animal, can they have it stuffed.
my mate hit a pine martin in his car,killed it,but left it at side of road. but when he rang me and told me,i said go back and pick it up and get it stuffed. he would cos he reckoned it was illegal!
is that the case?

hear is one for you .

if the pine martin was taking its last breath it would be ok to take it off the roadside , if it was dead it it illegal to do so .

i picked up one last year it was hit by a car in front of me and just dead as i picked it up .

i rang a ranger friend of mine ,to say what happened and i will most likely get it mounted .she said the above .

bazza888

i was getting a pike mounted last year there were pinemartins in the place waiting be collected,he said as long as there not shot or trapped its ok as its illegal shoot r trap them.if he even suspects anything illegal had killed it he wont do them as sometimes people come to inspect his freezers and if something was off he would be in trouble

bunny shooter

I was told to write a letter explaining how you came by it and get local ranger to countersign it.

As stated if it looks like it was killed illegally the taxidermist would report it to the ranger and it would be investigated etc etc

bazza888

ithink thats what guy said someone comes to look at it if its suspicious the way it died,he had lovely mounts of foxes done with pheasants in the mouth!

J.R.

Under EU regulations you would need a cert. under DEFRA to have the bird in your possession.

The snowy owl in under CITES ANNEX A category.

If the bird is mounted & you're buying it the seller / taxidermist should provide the relevant paperwork with sale.


Applications are required for CITES listed species for the following activities

1. Import into and (Re) Export from the European Union
The commercial use of any specimen listed on Annex A to the regulations within the EU

2. Movement of specimens within the EU where there has been a previous movement restriction imposed

If you are not sure whether a species is controlled by CITES you should check this first. You will need the scientific name, and can find out using the resources on our CITES Species page.

To apply for a CITES controlled species you will need an application form. The different forms can be found here. Charges apply to some applications. See more details here.

You will need to check any specific requirements with the intended import/export country. You can find out on the Global Cites site here.

You should also check whether there is a trade ban with the country or the species you wish to trade with. You can use the WCMC Species Database for this.

Annex A Bird of Prey

Scientific name Common name

Accipiter brevipes Levant sparrowhawk
Accipiter gentilis Goshawk
Accipiter nisus Eurasian sparrowhawk
Aegolius funereus Boreal owl
Aegypius monarchus Cinereous vulture
Aquila adalberti Adalbert’s eagle
Aquila chrysaetos Golden eagle
Aquila clanga Greaterspotted eagle
Aquila heliaca Imperial eagle
Aquila pomanna Lesserspotted eagle
Asio flammeus Shorteared owl
Asio otus Longeared owl
Athene blewitti Forest owlett
Athene noctua Little owl
Bubo bubo Eurasian eagle owl
Buteo buteo Common buzzard
Buteo lagopus Roughlegged buzzard
Buteo rufinus Longlegged buzzard
Chondrohierax unicatus wilsonii Cuban Hookbilled kite
Circactus gallicus Shorttoed snake eagle
Circus aeruginosus Western marsh harrier
Circus qyaneus Northern harrier
Circus macrourus Pallid harrier
Circus pygargus Montagu’s harrier
Elanus caeruleus Blackwinged kite
Eutriorchis astur Madagascar serpent eagle
Falco araea Seychelles kestrel
Falco biarmicus Lanner falcon
Falco cherrug Saker falcon
Falco columbarius Merlin
Falco eleonorae Eleonora’s falcon
Falco jugger Lagger falcon
Falco naumanni Lesser kestrel
Fako newtoni Newton’s kestrel (in the Seychelles)
Fako pelegrinoides Barbary falcon
Falco peregrinus Peregrine falcon
Falco punctatus Mauritius kestrel
Falco rusticolus Gyr falcon
Falco subbuteo Eurasian hobby
Falco tinnunculus Common kestrel
Fako vespertinus Redfooted falcon
Glaucidium passerinum Eurasian pygmy owl
Gymnogyps californianus Californian condor
Gypaetus barbatus Lammergeier
Gyps fulvus Eurasian griffon
Haliaeetus spp. Sea eagles
Harpia harpyja Harpy eagle
Hieraaetus fasciatus Bonnelli’s eagle
Hieraaetus pennatus Booted eagle
Leucopternis occidentalis Greybacked hawk
Milvus migrans Black kite
Milvus milvus Red kite
Mimizuku gurneyi Lesser eagle owl
Neophron percnopterus Egyptian vulture
Ninox novaeseelandiae undulata Norfolk boobook
Ninox squamipila natalis Christmas hawk owl
Nyctea scandiaca Snowy owl
Otus ireneae Sokoke scops owl
Otus scops Eurasian scops owl
Pandion haliactus Osprey
Pernis apivornis European honey buzzard
Pithecophaga jefferyi Great Phillipine eagle
Strix aluco Tawny owl
Strix nebulosa Great grey owl
Strix uralensis Ural owl
Surnia ulula Northern hawk owl
Tyto alba Barn owl
Tyto soumagnei Soumagne’s owl
Vultur gryphus Andean condor

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalhealth/cites/guidance/annexbirds.htm

bunny shooter

Does UK legislation (DEFRA) count here ?

If it's in the country already I doubt you need to worry about import/export licences?

If I was getting it from someone/somewhere I'd want a letter/receipt stating how/where they came by it to cover my arse .................. ?

J.R.

round tower huntsman wrote: »

if someone finds a dead animal like an owl or a pinemartin or any such protected animal, can they have it stuffed.
my mate hit a pine martin in his car,killed it,but left it at side of road. but when he rang me and told me,i said go back and pick it up and get it stuffed. he would cos he reckoned it was illegal!
is that the case?

Although it may sound ridicilous JW SHOOTER is correct in his reply.......if you find it dead you, according to rangers, should leave it there but if alive & died while you were there you could keep it!!!!

I was told by ranger that you shouldn't keep any birds of prey / protected mammals etc. found dead on the road. When queried he said that if a person saw the bird / mammal being hit & killed and had reg. of car / wintness then they could keep it. Or if they knocked it down themselves & had witnesses. If not leave it there

Their logic is that the bird / animal may have been shot, staggered to edge of road & died.

I pointed out that it seemed to be an awful waste to leave beautiful birds / mammals rot on the side of the road due to collision just because you found the bird and didn't witness it's death.

I do taxidermy part-time (hard to get the time for it) and had a sparrow hawk stuffed when the ranger came to inspect. 1,001 questions - checked log book to see owners name / address. The owner was a falconer who's sparrow hawk died in a collision with ESB wires. He took the carbon copy page from the log book & left to check story with falconer.

If anybody asks me to do a protected species I check how they got it...road kill etc. & inform them that during skinning if bullet / pellets found the ranger will have to be contacted to inspect. All name / address / contact details are kept in the log book for NPWS rangers to inspect.

I often wonder what would happen if some unscrupulous shooter took a pot shot at a buzzard etc., wounding it.....if the bird then, while flying over a road, fell & was hit by a car. If the person in the car picked it up & brought it to be mounted would they be in trouble when pellets were discovered??????
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Incidently, I've to record in the log book jackdaws, magpies, rooks & greycrows mounted & give a reason for having them in my possession / how killed / reason for killing etc. as they are all PROTECTED SPECIES !!!!!!!!!!!

dicky82

[QUOTE=bunny shooter; I'd want a letter/receipt stating how/where they came by it to cover my arse .................. ?[/QUOTE] i prefare boxer shorts to cover my arse. . . :D:D

Feargal as Luimneach

Instead of looking at a dead snowny owl on your mantlepiece, head up to Blacksod (on the bog) Belmullet peninsula during the winter. There is a female Snowny owl who has being wintering there for the last couple of years:)

Grizzly 45

Apprently it's also bad luck to have a stuffed owl of any type in the house as well.

Eddie B

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Apprently it's also bad luck to have a stuffed owl of any type in the house as well.

Ye, bad luck for the owl!!!:D:D

Bendy85

Thanks for all the help!!:)

FOXHUNTER1

I have a barn owl mounted it's about five or six years old now,
When I went to the taxidermist I needed a xray from the vet to prove there was no shot in it (cost €50)
Then I had to get a letter from the wildfowl reserve in Wexford to say they were happy enough to let me keep it.
I had to make a donation to them for the letter €20 as far as I can remember.
It was knocked down by an icecream truck which was handy because when I got it it was already frozen

Sika98k

bunny shooter wrote: »

Does UK legislation (DEFRA) count here ?

NO !

bunny shooter

Sika98k wrote: »

NO !

I know was a pointed question :pac: