Probe as clampers lift car with children

Run_to_da_hills

Two kids pile into a car illegally parked in Cork just before it was to be lifted on to a flat bed truck. Clampers proceed lifting the car despite kids inside.

I hope the HSA investigate this and the clampers get sacked as a result. Almost as bad as clamping an ambulance at Dublin Airport.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/probe-as-clampers-lift-car-with-children-2263953.html

MagicMarker

Why should the clampers get sacked?

The car was parked illegally and the mother used the kids to get out of it!

JimsAlterEgo

the mother should have the children taken off her, using them like this :eek:

Run_to_da_hills

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why should the clamper's get sacked?

The car was parked illegally and the mother used the kids to get out of it!

The clamper's should have waited for the Gardai to come and settle this dispute.

That car would have been lifted well over two meters by the crane,those kids should not have been in it.

What if an airbag got deployed or one of the kids cracked his skull if something went wrong.

The clampers are not permitted to lift cars with folk in them, as it turned out they had to release the car after 45mins anyway so all they did was waste 45 mins, mongs.

gbee

Cork is getting a new City Manager ~ I strongly suspect things will change in this particular field, just like they did in Galway after he had left there.

It is ridiculous that clamping and parking only broke even ~ that means They kept ALL the money and this year there is a deficit for €1.5million, which mean ALL legally parked cars will face a hike in prices to pay for the convenience of clamping and tow away.

You can't even park in some shopping centres any more either ~ this has been made illegal in the UK ~ another seven years and we'll follow suit

Run_to_da_hills

RoverJames wrote: »

The clampers are not permitted to lift cars with folk in them, as it turned out they had to release the car after 45mins anyway so all they did was waste 45 mins, mongs.

More a reason to sack them.

biko

The mother is the one at fault for unlocking the car and getting the kids in.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

More a reason to sack them.

Most definitlely, the mother was wrong to let them get in the car, however two wrongs do not make a right, lifting a car with kids in it is looney what if the kids freaked out and opened a door in panic. The mongs who lifted this car should face criminal charges. I fail to see how they could refuse the guards too

"The gardai were forced to wait for advice on how to handle the situation as the workers continued to refuse to release the car."

They should face more charges for this.

Years back a lad I knew (through work) who was in the plant hire game took control of the clampers truck and lowered his own car off it on Academy Street, legend.

Owen

Why do we always need 'probes'? Why do we have to waste money, time and effort by appointing committees to investigate all the facts thoroughly for every little incident?

Clampers were wrong, and the mother was wrong. Simple as. Learn from it, move on.

Run_to_da_hills

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Why do we always need 'probes'? Why do we have to waste money, time and effort by appointing committees to investigate all the facts thoroughly for every little incident?

Clampers were wrong, and the mother was wrong. Simple as. Learn from it, move on.

They need to make an example of this.

Clampers are horrible people.

Owen

No, they don't need to make an example of it. Anytime something insignificant happens in Irish society we blow it out of proportion, the media go wild, and we waste thousands in probes and investigations.

15 years ago, we'd have just told the clampers not to do it again, and the Mother to cop on. I don't see why anything else is necessary, and I don't see why wasting peoples money and time is necessary either.

MagicMarker

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Clampers are horrible people.

Good to see an unbiased opinion.

JimsAlterEgo

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They need to make an example of this.

Clampers are horrible people.

so was the mother, just as a matter of interest do you agree she is more in the wrong than they were?

MagicMarker

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why should the clampers get sacked?

The car was parked illegally and the mother used the kids to get out of it!

MagicMarker wrote: »

Good to see an unbiased opinion.

lol, you can't even understand why they should get sacked, pull a similar stunt like that on any site in the country and it's walking papers.

JimsAlterEgo

Actually thinking about it again, the mother should have been arrested, I assume the children did not take it onto themselves to get into the car. Why didn't she get in, or did she think it was more likely to work if she "used" the children?

MagicMarker

RoverJames wrote: »

lol, you can't even understand why they should get sacked, pull a similar stunt like that on any site in the country and it's walking papers.

I understand why RTDH thinks they should be sacked, I just don't agree with it.

As for the part in bold, well, if it made any sense I'd reply to it.

Run_to_da_hills

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

so was the mother, just as a matter of interest do you agree she is more in the wrong than they were?

At the most she should have been slapped with a parking fine, she was on a loading bay, not a clearway ffs.

gbee

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

At the most she should have been slapped with a parking fine, she was on a loading bay, not a clearway ffs.

AND the general public are allowed to use loading bays too [for the purpose of actively loading] as are commercial vehicle allowed to use double yellow lines [for that same purpose].

A traffic warden will usually wait ten minutes and then issue electronic tickets. In some cases they call the tow away, in some case the Gardaí call the tow away ~ in all cases the tow away works autonomously and will pull up behind the first car in a loading bay [even if they actually see it parking] and lift it ~ from watching them it seems a personal challenge to lift the car before the owner reaches the shop, clamping was also supposed to have had an hour's grace ~ and the Cork City Manager has reaffirmed this on many radio interviews and newspaper articles ~ but we all know this does not happen either.

stevenmu

Could have been worse

Padraig Mor

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Almost as bad as clamping an ambulance at Dublin Airport.

That would be the private ambulance whose drivers were having lunch while awaiting a non-emergency patient despite being warned they would be clamped if they didn't move yeah?

JimsAlterEgo

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

At the most she should have been slapped with a parking fine, she was on a loading bay, not a clearway ffs.

was referrign to her behaviour regarding putting the kids in the car

Yakult

stevenmu wrote: »

Could have been worse

lol

Dermo

stevenmu wrote: »

Could have been worse

you can see the sound mike on the left hand side. It's from a tv show

Run_to_da_hills

Padraig Mor wrote: »

That would be the private ambulance whose drivers were having lunch while awaiting a non-emergency patient despite being warned they would be clamped if they didn't move yeah?

Dosn't matter, it still had "Ambulance" on the side of it. What if someone in the Airport suffered a heart attack and these guys were paged to assist only to find their vehicle clamped. There again, fines should have been issued instead of clamping.

DAA had to apologise over this this incident.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0215/clamp.html

Jaysoose

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Dosn't matter, it still had "Ambulance" on the side of it. What if someone in the Airport suffered a heart attack and these guys were paged to assist only to find their vehicle clamped. There again, fines should have been issued instead of clamping.

DAA had to apologise over this this incident.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0215/clamp.html

Ah the old hypothetical situation to validate an argument, they were not on an emergency call though were they...they were munching sausage rolls and taking the piss.

MagicMarker

MagicMarker wrote: »

I understand why RTDH thinks they should be sacked, I just don't agree with it.

As for the part in bold, well, if it made any sense I'd reply to it.

How does it not make sense, don't you speak the English ?

MagicMarker

RoverJames wrote: »

How does it not make sense, don't you speak the English ?

Clearly not.

EPM

I've seen them lift a car with a dog inside of it not so long ago:rolleyes:

mikemac

EPM wrote: »

I've seen them lift a car with a dog inside of it not so long ago:rolleyes:

A dog in a car with closed windows is dangerous.
They can overheat and suffocate, if you saw it not so long ago was it a hot day?

Maybe the dog was in distress and they were taking the car somewhere to get it released?
I've no doubt if the dog collapsed and gardai smashed the window to save it the owner would be demanding compensation...

feelingstressed

feelingstressed wrote: »

Maybe the dog was in distress and they were taking the car somewhere to get it released?
...

Maybe, but we all know they weren't.

tommyhaas

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Dosn't matter, it still had "Ambulance" on the side of it. What if someone in the Airport suffered a heart attack and these guys were paged to assist only to find their vehicle clamped.

It was a private ambulance, not an emergency ambulance.

Its only a taxi, with ambulance written down the side of it. I doubt the crew were qualified paramedics either

EPM

The dog was at night. I got a (poor) photo. I'll try find it there...

Here...

Tragedy

Mother sounds like the worst kind of person who uses their kids to get off of things.

If I was a clamper and saw someone acting like that, I wouldn't back down until told to either.

Run_to_da_hills

tommyhaas wrote: »

It was a private ambulance, not an emergency ambulance.

Its only a taxi, with ambulance written down the side of it. I doubt the crew were qualified paramedics either

According to its registration details it.s classified as a private ambulance, whether it had flashing lights and a bee baw makes no difference. Had a patient in a wheelchair taken an elliptic fit and died because of this the clamping authorities would have had something to answer for.

markpb

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to its registration details it.s classified as a private ambulance, whether it had flashing lights and a bee baw makes no difference. Had a patient in a wheelchair taken an elliptic fit and died because of this the clamping authorities would have had something to answer for.

Had a patient taken a fit, they would have called trained paramedics with the correct equipment to begin treatment in the ambulance. They would not have put her in a taxi.

Run_to_da_hills

markpb wrote: »

Had a patient taken a fit, they would have called trained paramedics with the correct equipment to begin treatment in the ambulance. They would not have put her in a taxi.

You don't normall see taxi's with Ambulance printed clearly on the side of them. :rolleyes:

markpb

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You don't normall see taxi's with Ambulance printed clearly on the side of them. :rolleyes:

The van in question was a patient transport van, nothing more. It might have had ambulance printed on it but it wasn't an ambulance and wouldn't have been used to carry or treat emergency patients. You have a vendetta against clampers and it clouds your judgement of every situation which involves them and shows up in every post you have about them.

tommyhaas

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to its registration details it.s classified as a private ambulance, whether it had flashing lights and a bee baw makes no difference. Had a patient in a wheelchair taken an elliptic fit and died because of this the clamping authorities would have had something to answer for.

Yea I agree with you, it should never have been clamped, but I think a distinction does have to be drawn between these patient-transport lads and the emergency services

Run_to_da_hills

tommyhaas wrote: »

Yea I agree with you, it should never have been clamped, but I think a distinction does have to be drawn between these patient-transport lads and the emergency services

Or perhaps have a designated area for these vehicles.

markpb

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Or perhaps have a designated area for these vehicles.

They do... they're called carparks

Jaysoose

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to its registration details it.s classified as a private ambulance, whether it had flashing lights and a bee baw makes no difference. Had a patient in a wheelchair taken an elliptic fit and died because of this the clamping authorities would have had something to answer for.

But this didnt happen so whats the relevance?

Run_to_da_hills

Looks like people hopping into their cars before they are lifted by clampers could become the latest craze.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1298412/Car-clampers-retreat-drivers-sit-protest.html

maggot12345

The mother was wrong to use her kids in such a way--she parked in the wrong place instead of looking for a legal parking spot. She is the one who should be investigated and fined for her behavior. The clampers were only doing their job-not a popular job-but a job with rules none the less. Ideally, in my opinion, they should have been able to pull the kids out of the car but of course their would be another hoo-haa about that. Loading bays are there for a reason, not for people who are too lazy to go and look for a proper place to park and kids should not be used as a bargaining tool. The clampers should have nothing to worry about in their jobs.

djimi

Common sense should prevail in situations like this. If youre being towed then chances are youre parked in a place that is obstructing something (otherwise youd just be clamped). If a driver comes back to his car to find it is being towed then they should be issued with an on the spot fine to reflect the fine they would have gotten plus a charge for the tow truck, but they should be allowed to drive their car away.

In the original story in this thread the woman in question should be charged for putting her children in danger by asking them to act in that manner.

gbee

markpb wrote: »

The van in question was a patient transport van, nothing more. .

Ambulance is just a transport vehicle, that's their job, pick up the patient and get them to the care centre.

Now were also have paramedic units and rescue vehicles, which are just the same vans, but with paramedics aboard.