channel line up

irishh_bob

i recentley had sky HD installed , this involved a technician bringing a second cable directly from the dish etc and setting up a new sky box , my old sky box was inevitabley thrown to one side to gather dust , out of boredom this evening i decided to disconnect the new sky box and reconnect the old ( non HD ) whilst also removing the sky card so as to assertain what channells are available without subscription , when i hooked up the old box i discovered the chanell line up was completley different to the set up prior to HD installation , rte or any other other irish channells were nowhere to be seen and bbc1 was now channell 101 , it wasnt just the order in which the channells appeared , ITV 1,2,3 and 4 were now on the normal line up so you no longer had to fiddle with the remote through OTHER CHANNELLS , a host of regional bbc channells were now also on the dial aswell as a number of bbc news channells

Dozen Wicked Words

irishh_bob wrote: »

i recentley had sky HD installed , this involved a technician bringing a second cable directly from the dish etc and setting up a new sky box , my old sky box was inevitabley thrown to one side to gather dust , out of boredom this evening i decided to disconnect the new sky box and reconnect the old ( non HD ) whilst also removing the sky card so as to assertain what channells are available without subscription , when i hooked up the old box i discovered the chanell line up was completley different to the set up prior to HD installation , rte or any other other irish channells were nowhere to be seen and bbc1 was now channell 101 , it wasnt just the order in which the channells appeared , ITV 1,2,3 and 4 were now on the normal line up so you no longer had to fiddle with the remote through OTHER CHANNELLS , a host of regional bbc channells were now also on the dial aswell as a number of bbc news channells

All sky boxes will revert to UK channel line up without sky card in machine afaik.

watty

Most do. Very handy as all the BBC/ITV work

You should have two spare outlets at dish.

Add a PF100 cable and you have most of the free UK tv on the old box.

irishh_bob

dooferoaks wrote: »

All sky boxes will revert to UK channel line up without sky card in machine afaik.

prior to mr sky man installing a new cable , whenever i removed the sky card , the irish channells plus sky one , sky two , three , uk gold etc became encrypted but they ( irish chanells ) were still listed , this evening they ( irish channells ) were nowhere to be seen and as i mentioned in earlier post , itv 1 ,2 ,3 4 plus a bunch of BBC regional chanells were available without having to go through the OTHER CHANNELLS facility

p.s , were i to cancel my HD subscription ( have up to a month to do so ) , is thier a box you can buy which allows you to recieve HD ( on bbc + itv ) without paying a susbscription , i realise thier are tv,s you can buy which have FREESAT built in with HD but your talking big bucks there

John mac

you will still get bbchd and itvhd without the hd sub.

irishh_bob

John mac wrote: »

you will still get bbchd and itvhd without the hd sub.

not without a HD box to deliver it to your set , if i cancel my HD subscription after only two weeks , while i wont be bound to any contract , sky will take back the sky plus HD box and all i will be left with is my old sky box which is obviously non HD , my question is , can you buy a box ( similar to a freesat box ) which allows you to recieve bbc HD and itv HD without a subscription to sky

watty

You own* the HD box. Sky disable PayTV channels, recording and playback.
(*or when did Sky start doing box rentals?)

You can buy a Humax fox HD PVR for freesat HD.

irishh_bob

watty wrote: »

You own* the HD box. Sky disable PayTV channels, recording and playback.
(*or when did Sky start doing box rentals?)

You can buy a Humax fox HD PVR for freesat HD.

i dont get to keep the HD box ( in the event of cancelling my sub ) untill i remain a HD subscriber for minimum of a year , i only had the box installed a fortnight ago

how much is a humax box ?

watty

irishh_bob wrote: »

i dont get to keep the HD box ( in the event of cancelling my sub ) untill i remain a HD subscriber for minimum of a year , i only had the box installed a fortnight ago

That's new? Usually you had to pay full value of install if cancelling early. Maybe because it's a "cooling off period". If they are only taking box back and not charging arm & leg for cancellation after two weeks, that's pretty decent.

The Sagem HD PVR Freesat is about €300, box only.
The same thing including install, dish, quad LNB etc is I think about €470.

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irishh_bob

watty wrote: »

That's new? Usually you had to pay full value of install if cancelling early. Maybe because it's a "cooling off period". If they are only taking box back and not charging arm & leg for cancellation after two weeks, that's pretty decent.

The Sagem HD PVR Freesat is about €300, box only.
The same thing including install, dish, quad LNB etc is I think about €470.

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glad you told me that , makes my descision regarding which tv i buy a whole lot easier , instead of going for the s20 panasonic at 825 , il be going for the G20 at 1025 which comes with free sat HD

regarding sky , they take back the box and while i wont get a refund of 60 euro , i will get to keep the HD cable and whatever yoke they put on the dish , so all in all a pretty sweet deal

watty

Very few Sat TVs have recording.

You still have dish, and 2nd cable for PVR, so no install needed, worth the €60.


The 2nd cable is nothing to do with HD, nor change on dish. Those are just so a recorder can record a different channel to the one you watch.

John mac

amazon have these
(you can get them with a 1tb drive. )

you could then get the g20 and record 2 channels while watching a third.

watty

That's the one I was thinking of.
Humax FOXSAT-HDR Freesat+ 320GB HD Digital TV Twin Tuner HD Recorder

Just connect to your two cables.

irishh_bob

watty wrote: »

Very few Sat TVs have recording.

You still have dish, and 2nd cable for PVR, so no install needed, worth the €60.


The 2nd cable is nothing to do with HD, nor change on dish. Those are just so a recorder can record a different channel to the one you watch.

was told by shop assistant ( when enquiring about buying a freesat hd tv ) that i would need to get a cable guy to bring in a second cable from dish in order to be able to get HD programing on a hd tv with or without free sat

you wouldnt get a guy to install such a cable on your dish for less than sixty euro i imagine

John mac

irishh_bob wrote: »

was told by shop assistant ( when enquiring about buying a freesat hd tv ) that i would need to get a cable guy to bring in a second cable from dish in order to be able to get HD programing on a hd tv with or without free sat

you wouldnt get a guy to install such a cable on your dish for less than sixty euro i imagine

as you already have sky hd installed, you only need to plug in the existing feeds to the new hd reciever.

(2 cables have nothing to do with HD, they only allow you to record one channel while watching another)

irishh_bob

John mac wrote: »

as you already have sky hd installed, you only need to plug in the existing feeds to the new hd reciever.

(2 cables have nothing to do with HD, they only allow you to record one channel while watching another)

two questions , would a tv without free sat HD but with free view HD allow me access to itv and bbc HD without a sky subscription , baschically , can my old ( 2001) sky box rigged into a set with free view HD provide me with HD on bbc one and itv etc

with a free sat hd tv , would it ever have been nesscesery ( as retailer suggested ) for sky technician ( or any technician ) to have fiddled with dish and installed new cable , keep in mind that im indifferent to the recording facility or live - pause , all i want is HD , in post 11 , watty suggests it was 60 euro wasted if i wasnt planning on keeping the sky + box ( replacing it with free sat hd tv )

watty

Freeview = Aerial pointed at Wales/Divis. Only some places get it
Freesat = Sky Dish. No alignment or adjustment needed.

HD needs only one cable, unless it's got two tuners for recording.
Freeview PVR (recorder) needs only one cable (to an aerial)
Freesat PVR (recorder) needs two cables to a dish, whether it's HD or not.

PVRs come in "ordinary TV" and "HD" versions, just like TVs and set-boxes than don't record.

Sky HD is a PVR (Recorder) thus needs two cables to dish. Nothing to do with it being HD.
Sky+ is a PVR (Recorder) thus needs two cables to dish. It can't receive or record or play HD at all.

The part at Dish (LNB) that feeds cable originally only had one cable outlet. Sky Installer would have replaced the LNB with a Quad LNB, which has FOUR cable outlets. The Sky HD or Sky+ box would use two, leaving two spare for later expansion (2x non-recording boxes, or 1 x recording box).

Satellite recorders use Two cable feeds.
Everything else only needs a single cable, even Terrestrial/Freeview recorders. HD or not.

The old sky box can't do HD, but it can pickup all the Freesat channels /FTA channels. It can't recieve freeview at all as that is different kind of signal (from an aerial).

irishh_bob

watty wrote: »

Freeview = Aerial pointed at Wales/Divis. Only some places get it
Freesat = Sky Dish. No alignment or adjustment needed.

HD needs only one cable, unless it's got two tuners for recording.
Freeview PVR (recorder) needs only one cable (to an aerial)
Freesat PVR (recorder) needs two cables to a dish, whether it's HD or not.

PVRs come in "ordinary TV" and "HD" versions, just like TVs and set-boxes than don't record.

Sky HD is a PVR (Recorder) thus needs two cables to dish. Nothing to do with it being HD.
Sky+ is a PVR (Recorder) thus needs two cables to dish. It can't receive or record or play HD at all.

The part at Dish (LNB) that feeds cable originally only had one cable outlet. Sky Installer would have replaced the LNB with a Quad LNB, which has FOUR cable outlets. The Sky HD or Sky+ box would use two, leaving two spare for later expansion (2x non-recording boxes, or 1 x recording box).

Satellite recorders use Two cable feeds.
Everything else only needs a single cable, even Terrestrial/Freeview recorders. HD or not.

The old sky box can't do HD, but it can pickup all the Freesat channels /FTA channels. It can't recieve freeview at all as that is different kind of signal (from an aerial).

i get it now , if i only wanted bbc or itv HD , i need not nesceserily have had a second cable from the dish ( or a quad LNB) installed but i would have had to have replaced my old sky box with the likes of a ( as refered to earlier ) sagem hd free sat box

if this is indeed correct , then the obvious choice is to go for a tv with free sat HD built in as the difference between that top of the range and the next one down is less than the cost of a seperete ( sagem ) free sat hd box

thanks watty

John mac

A non recordable HD box would be cheaper than the upgraded tv.

there are of course loads of other brands and shops,

here's one for EUR99

irishh_bob

John mac wrote: »

A non recordable HD box would be cheaper than the upgraded tv.

there are of course loads of other brands and shops,

here's one for EUR99

thanks johny mac , excellent site , im very interested in the one for 149 euro which delivers rte in digital , one thing that struck me though , were i to buy a british model panasonic , would it be compatible with that edison decoder , ive read on a few threads that british models wont decode rte in digital

John mac

yes they will work on uk model tv's (I have one myself)

loads of info on combo boxes etc here

Richersounds do the pannys (you can ask them here ) ,

there are lots of uk companys that will sell into Ireland.

Have a look here for some feedback on tv purchases http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055023296