Petrol or diesel.

Joey the lips

Folks I need your help.

I am in the market for a new car. I dont know weather to go with Petrol or diesel. My milage will be low,

I was looking at the Toyota Corrolla Luna however the road tax is in the 400 range.

I have been advised by a Ford garage to stay away from this as in 2 years when i try to sell it i will get a lot less.

The Ford garage reckons I should by a diesel focus hatch instead.

Can I please have your opinions based on the ability to selll it and pay as little as possible in 2 years.

Seriously thanks.

challengemaster

Well, of course a ford garage is going to tell you not to buy a toyota

Why are you planning on selling in 2 years anyway?

Joey the lips

challengemaster wrote: »

Well, of course a ford garage is going to tell you not to buy a toyota

Why are you planning on selling in 2 years anyway?

Because I am buying this car under the disabled passangers scheme which allows me change every 2 years. However I have limited funds and this is diminishing all they time so I am trying to do the best in terms of value now....which is petrol and value in the future resale market considing how many petrol cars have been sold this year.

Thanjs

Mr. Manager

I bought my first diesel car recently - '04 Audi A4.

Thoroughly happy with my purchase. Cost's me about €75 for ~650-700 miles.

Much better than the GTi I had before it

Other suggestions would be:

Skoda Octavia 1.6 TDi
Ford Mondeo 1.8 TDCi

VinnyTGM

It all depends on the mileage on the car but if your doing small miles it might work out better to buy a NA petrol, as the costs with diesels can rise very rapidly such as more wear on the suspension and steering components (heavier car), not to mention engine problems, blown turbos etc as diesels run at a much higher pressure.

ronaneire

Why buy a new car that costs over €400 a year for road tax?

Barr

Joey the lips wrote: »

Because I am buying this car under the disabled passangers scheme which allows me change every 2 years. However I have limited funds and this is diminishing all they time so I am trying to do the best in terms of value now....which is petrol and value in the future resale market considing how many petrol cars have been sold this year.

Thanjs

If you are getting a better deal now it with the Toyota it will offset any loss into the future. To be honest I doubt it will effect the resale value to much - after all its a Toyota

If you’re under the scheme your road tax is free anyway (so in theory there is a saving anyways)

mink_man

buy a 1.4 diesel 307

vectra

Joey the lips wrote: »

Folks I need your help.

I am in the market for a new car. I dont know weather to go with Petrol or diesel. My milage will be low,

I was looking at the Toyota Corrolla Luna however the road tax is in the 400 range.

I have been advised by a Ford garage to stay away from this as in 2 years when i try to sell it i will get a lot less.

The Ford garage reckons I should by a diesel focus hatch instead.

Can I please have your opinions based on the ability to selll it and pay as little as possible in 2 years.

Seriously thanks.

OK
If it is a new car you are talking of, I was in the same situation recently when deciding what to buy this time round.
I am in the same league as you ( Disable driver)

Do you mind if I ask for a guide amount of what amount you intend spending?

Barr

Can you but second hand cars under the scheme?

vectra

Barr wrote: »

Can you but second hand cars under the scheme?

RULES
A new vehicle
A used vehicle that has been purchased from an authorised dealer and that has not been previously registered in the state

mathepac

VinnyTGM wrote: »

... as the costs with diesels can rise very rapidly such as more wear on the suspension and steering components (heavier car), not to mention engine problems, blown turbos etc as diesels run at a much higher pressure.

What utter ill-informed nonsense; total rubbish.

professore

Yes don't know where this "higher running costs" myth comes from. Have driven both petrols and diesels for years and find that maintenance costs are similar. The difference is that the diesel will go on forever, fuel consumption in the diesel is way less. Up until the emissions change diesels were generally more expensive to tax due to bigger engine sizes, but nowadays the opposite is true.

If you like revving to the redline then get a petrol. If you like relaxed power and don't want to spend a fortune on fuel, the diesel is better. As for the car, a Toyota diesel should be bulletproof.

Hermit07

Joey the lips wrote: »

Folks I need your help.

I am in the market for a new car. I dont know weather to go with Petrol or diesel. My milage will be low,

I was looking at the Toyota Corrolla Luna however the road tax is in the 400 range.

I have been advised by a Ford garage to stay away from this as in 2 years when i try to sell it i will get a lot less.

The Ford garage reckons I should by a diesel focus hatch instead.

Can I please have your opinions based on the ability to selll it and pay as little as possible in 2 years.

Seriously thanks.

As you are under the disabled scheme, you wont have to be worrying about road tax. You will be exempt. I in the end opted for a diesel ford hatch and its perfect for the childs swivel seat. I traded in a 2 year old focus and the main difference in price between the new car and the 2 year old car was the cost of the special needs adaption which I find brillant btw.

I am delighted I changed from petrol to diesel as I do find the car goes forever on the diesel. I do a fair amount of driving to various appointments but this can vary a lot from one week to another.

gbee

Joey the lips wrote: »

hich is petrol and value in the future resale market considing how many petrol cars have been sold this year. Thanjs

Things change too much in this regard, hybrid, fuel cells, electric ~ in two years I don't think it will make any difference.

Any argument to be made for petrol can be stood on its head, as visa versa. As you've had a petrol car already, I'll offer one reason to stick to it again for the next two years.

You wouldn't want to put petrol in you new diesel car. The AA have published an article on the perils of changing and indeed simply putting the wrong fuel in, in an absent minded mistake ~ but the biggest reason, according to the AA article, people who have a new fuel car in the last twelve months ~ just sheer habit and one day it happens.

Just a thought.

opinion guy

If you are worried about trade in price isn't the VW Golf supposed to have the least depreciation on the market ?

Joey the lips

I need the saloon space but the focus hatch is close enough. Thanks

mathepac

Joey the lips wrote: »

Because I am buying this car under the disabled passangers scheme which allows me change every 2 years. ...

Under this scheme you are allowed to reclaim the duty on fuel. Does this apply equally to diesel and petrol?

You also get VAT & VRT refunded and some dealers / manufacturers have a discretionary discount they can allow on sales of this kind; ask aeound. Might this help with the cash-flow? (You also get the VAT refunded on the driver / passenger adaptions needed).

Joey the lips

gbee wrote: »

Things change too much in this regard, hybrid, fuel cells, electric ~ in two years I don't think it will make any difference.

Any argument to be made for petrol can be stood on its head, as visa versa. As you've had a petrol car already, I'll offer one reason to stick to it again for the next two years.

You wouldn't want to put petrol in you new diesel car. The AA have published an article on the perils of changing and indeed simply putting the wrong fuel in, in an absent minded mistake ~ but the biggest reason, according to the AA article, people who have a new fuel car in the last twelve months ~ just sheer habit and one day it happens.

Just a thought.

I drive petrol and my wife drives diesel so we have to be careful on this one.

As for the scheme. Just to help you all understand.

At the moment i drive petrol. I was all set to change to petrol and still am tbh but the arguement that the Ford garage made was convincing

He said if i buy a petrol car now in two years I will get less than if i buy a diesel car. The road tax is dearer on the diesel and the emissions are on this basis so can only go up.

-Corkie-

I would buy the focus if I was you. The simple reason is you will probabaly die from boredom driving a corolla.

Joey the lips

SARASON wrote: »

I would buy the focus if I was you. The simple reason is you will probabaly die from boredom driving a corolla.

I am not a normal bloke. I buy a car on practical aspects rather than looks. For example I believe toyota to be the best built car in the world but yet I like the sales mans thinking that the saleability of the focus will be better.

put another way. Although I am not paying the tax I want to make sure that I am buying the most attractive car to investors in 2 years....

-Corkie-

Joey the lips wrote: »

I am not a normal bloke. I buy a car on practical aspects rather than looks. For example I believe toyota to be the best built car in the world but yet I like the sales mans thinking that the saleability of the focus will be better.

put another way. Although I am not paying the tax I want to make sure that I am buying the most attractive car to investors in 2 years....

I think the salesman is dead right. Focus will hold its value better as it appeals to a younger market as well as the older generation. Focus would be my choice.


What about the octavia!!!

opinion guy

Joey the lips wrote: »

I drive petrol and my wife drives diesel so we have to be careful on this one.

As for the scheme. Just to help you all understand.

At the moment i drive petrol. I was all set to change to petrol and still am tbh but the arguement that the Ford garage made was convincing

He said if i buy a petrol car now in two years I will get less than if i buy a diesel car. The road tax is dearer on the diesel and the emissions are on this basis so can only go up.

I don't get the diesel tax being dearer. Usually its cheaper. Certainly with VAG cars anyhow. You can get a new diesel polo, golf or a3 in the lowest tax bracket at €104. The petrols generally have higher emissions and are more likely to be in higher brackets. Hell you can even get a two litre diesel golf or a3 in the lowest tax bracket now.

vectra

SARASON wrote: »

What about the octavia!!!

Octavia vRS for the win
You get maximum vrt/vat relief and will have a very desirable seller in 2 years time.. Thats what I chose

pajo1981

Joey the lips wrote: »

I am not a normal bloke. I buy a car on practical aspects rather than looks. For example I believe toyota to be the best built car in the world but yet I like the sales mans thinking that the saleability of the focus will be better.

put another way. Although I am not paying the tax I want to make sure that I am buying the most attractive car to investors in 2 years....

Nothing to do with looks man, the focus will just be more fun to drive.

-'I believe toyota to be the best built car in the world'

To you also believe that BMWs are the ultimate driving machine and that Seats offer auto emotion?

Joey the lips

opinion guy wrote: »

I don't get the diesel tax being dearer. Usually its cheaper. Certainly with VAG cars anyhow. You can get a new diesel polo, golf or a3 in the lowest tax bracket at €104. The petrols generally have higher emissions and are more likely to be in higher brackets. Hell you can even get a two litre diesel golf or a3 in the lowest tax bracket now.

Sorry I ment to say the tax is dearer on the petrol which makes the diesel more attractive.

Joey the lips

pajo1981 wrote: »

Nothing to do with looks man, the focus will just be more fun to drive.

-'I believe toyota to be the best built car in the world'

To you also believe that BMWs are the ultimate driving machine and that Seats offer auto emotion?

Now my beliefs are based on a thesis I done as a final on production techniques. I dont follow marketing thats why alloys are not important to me. Air conditioning and a leather steering which would be worth more to me than alloys and a silver trim

-Corkie-

vectra wrote: »

Octavia vRS for the win
You get maximum vrt/vat relief and will have a very desirable seller in 2 years time.. Thats what I chose

When someone types the word octavia does your computer start jumping around the place....:p

Joey the lips

I love the octavia. Thats what I am driving. That jumping at lights is actually gone on the newer models. I am waiting on the dealer price. He is coming back to me with a petrol/Diesel price however colours are very limited... I dont fancy oyster to much...:)

vectra

SARASON wrote: »

When someone types the word octavia does your computer start jumping around the place....:p

Boards sends a text message to my phone informing me

Joey the lips wrote: »

I love the octavia. Thats what I am driving. That jumping at lights is actually gone on the newer models. I am waiting on the dealer price. He is coming back to me with a petrol/Diesel price however colours are very limited... I dont fancy oyster to much...:)

Go for the Octavia vRS Diesel

Look after it and you will/should get more than you pay for it in 2 years time when selling it

TestTransmission

SARASON wrote: »

When someone types the word octavia does your computer start jumping around the place....:p

Imagine what he'll be like when he owns one!

vectra

TestTransmission wrote: »

Imagine what he'll be like when he owns one!

I will have a bigger grin than that smilie you used :pac::pac:

Joey the lips

Joey the lips wrote: »

Now my beliefs are based on a thesis I done as a final on production techniques.

Good point.

To all the f**ktards who knock Toyota quality systems, if you know anyone with a stent or a replaced knee, hip, the chances are the manufacturer of that medical device have sent some of their staff to a Toyota plant. No one wants to see what the Ford numpties get up to

Focus handling yO :rolleyes:

Joey the lips

Does anyone know how i can find out delivery on a skoda octavia RS diesel.....

For example one skoda garage told me this was his problem while another does not know what that one ment....

mb1725

[QUOTE=vectra;Go for the Octavia vRS Diesel

Look after it and you will/should get more than you pay for it in 2 years time when selling it[/QUOTE]

Unless Brian Lenihan extends the two year limit out to four as is rumoured.

vectra

Joey the lips wrote: »

Does anyone know how i can find out delivery on a skoda octavia RS diesel.....

For example one skoda garage told me this was his problem while another does not know what that one ment....

Ordered mine on 3rd May
Was supposed to get built week 26.
This got put back to week 38 due to high demand.
I got my build date brought forward a few weeks with the help of another person waiting for one that swapped build dates with me.

So take it that the wait is approx 5 months

mb1725 wrote: »

Unless Brian Lenihan extends the two year limit out to four as is rumoured.

Where did you read about this rumour??

Not that it would bother me once I have my Octy :cool:
And also a 4 yr. old one would still make a decent price

Joey the lips

Hi Folks,

Just thought I would update you.

I have went with a toyota corolla in black. I am getting it slightly upgraded(as i said this does not really bother me) but she likes it.

It has

Alloys
Chrome things
Leather knobs(Always wanted a strong knob :rolleyes:)
Leather steering
and air conditioning.

I am getting 11,500 for mine which is good considering the skoda dealer only gave me 11,700

My only fear is that in 2 years time I am going to have to put more to it but essentially the diesel with cheaper road tax is costing me 2.5k more which is beyond my realistic budget.

So hears hopeing 2 things happen.

1. Toyota petrol 1.4 corrolla luna high spec is in good demand with its 400+ road tax in 2 years. Mine with a very low spec will get a good trade in price.

2. The greens are kicked out of govt and the govt scrap the tax on emissions because its looseing them a fortune in revenue.


ok... So i am a wishful thinker.....

Thank you for all your support... sincerly.



ps delivery on petrol and diesel Skoda 1,2 and 1,4's at 12 weeks kinda sealed it for the other half.... That and the terriable trade in price...

vectra

Joey the lips wrote: »

I am getting 11,500 for mine which is good considering the skoda dealer only gave me 11,700

ps delivery on petrol and diesel Skoda 1,2 and 1,4's at 12 weeks kinda sealed it for the other half.... That and the terriable trade in price...

Let me get this right
You bought petrol ?

11,500 trade in but you say
Skoda was giving you 11,700 ??

you pay 2.5k more for diesel.
This is because you were getting very little back in vrt on the Corolla 1.4d.. ( is that Band A ? )

How much did the corolla cost with your own car??

Joey the lips

vectra wrote: »

Let me get this right
You bought petrol ?

11,500 trade in but you say
Skoda was giving you 11,700 ??

you pay 2.5k more for diesel.
This is because you were getting very little back in vrt on the Corolla 1.4d.. ( is that Band A ? )

How much did the corolla cost with your own car??

The new price of the corolla is 22400 less 11500 is 10900

Its the higher tax. I will pay 3400 after VRT/VAT reduction.

Skoda new tax band was 5800 for petrol 1.2 or 7900 for diesel. Both elegance specs.

This seemed a bit mad to me considering skoda say they were giving me more.

Go on... tell me I am mad please.

vectra

Joey the lips wrote: »

The new price of the corolla is 22400 less 11500 is 10900

Its the higher tax. I will pay 3400 after VRT/VAT reduction.

Skoda new tax band was 5800 for petrol 1.2 or 7900 for diesel. Both elegance specs.

This seemed a bit mad to me considering skoda say they were giving me more.

Go on... tell me I am mad please.

I would be thinking 2 years down the road as well as what I pay now,
My deal is as follows

Current car sold for 10k

New car = Octavia vRS Diesel + Leather = 28k +

After VRT/Vat reduction I will be paying 7,700

= 17,700

2 years time this car SHOULD make more than this.
So new car of same spec should cost me a big fat 0 to replace.

Joey the lips

vectra wrote: »

I would be thinking 2 years down the road as well as what I pay now,
My deal is as follows

Current car sold for 10k

New car = Octavia vRS Diesel + Leather = 28k +

After VRT/Vat reduction I will be paying 7,700

= 17,700

2 years time this car SHOULD make more than this.
So new car of same spec should cost me a big fat 0 to replace.

So your jist being pay 10k now and pay nothing in 2 years..


Granted i understand perfectly but what i would have rathered do there is go with the ford focus take out the extra 3rd year warrenty at 250 euro the sell it back to a ford dealer with a years warrenty still on it in 2 years.

However... the figures were still a little expensive for my wallet. Granted i might end up paying that in the long run.

vectra

Joey the lips wrote: »

So your jist being pay 10k now and pay nothing in 2 years..

No,
I am selling my current car for 10k
I am putting 7.7k with it to buy the vRS

I would be selling the vRS in 2 years time and in the current economic climate a 2 year old one would be making approx 18k
Therefore I should in theory be getting a new one for near enough to 0 extra

Joey the lips

vectra wrote: »

No,
I am selling my current car for 10k
I am putting 7.7k with it to buy the vRS

I would be selling the vRS in 2 years time and in the current economic climate a 2 year old one would be making approx 18k
Therefore I should in theory be getting a new one for near enough to 0 extra

Yes I catch you now.

But I cannot see cars selling privately for 10k when garages are selling for 11

Delivery of skoda at the moment is 12 weeks.

and lastly i dont pay vat or vrt so the new price should not change much for me(hopefully)

what do you think

vectra

Joey the lips wrote: »

Yes I catch you now.

But I cannot see cars selling privately for 10k when garages are selling for 11

Delivery of skoda at the moment is 12 weeks.

and lastly i dont pay vat or vrt so the new price should not change much for me(hopefully)

what do you think

Delivery is over 12 weeks I would say for Skoda.
I ordered mine on May 3rd and wont have it until late September if I am lucky.

I don't pay Vat/Vrt as you but you know you only get up to maximum of 9525 off being a disabled driver?
you don't get the full amount off.

mathepac

Joey the lips wrote: »

... and lastly i dont pay vat or vrt so the new price should not change much for me(hopefully) ...

As long as VAT rates & VRT don't take a nose-dive in the meantime.

Joey the lips wrote: »

... what do you think

I think I might have tried a UK personal export, for example the newish Skoda Superb Estate 2.0 TDI CR 170bhp with DSG

(no UK VAT payable on a personal export, no VAT or VRT payable on import here)

Best of luck with the new purchase, it'll be a sound solid investment.

Joey the lips

vectra wrote: »

Delivery is over 12 weeks I would say for Skoda.
I ordered mine on May 3rd and wont have it until late September if I am lucky.

I don't pay Vat/Vrt as you but you know you only get up to maximum of 9525 off being a disabled driver?
you don't get the full amount off.

I get 15k because its for my son...a passanger. I figure they figure you should be happy with a car where as he is a hinderence to me so they give me a little more.... Yes the law is weired.

mathepac wrote: »

As long as VAT rates & VRT don't take a nose-dive in the meantime.
I think I might have tried a UK personal export, for example the newish Skoda Superb Estate 2.0 TDI CR 170bhp with DSG

(no UK VAT payable on a personal export, no VAT or VRT payable on import here)

Best of luck with the new purchase, it'll be a sound solid investment.

Yes I did consider a new import... but would still have to sell my own.

and thanks for the good wishes. As you say I hope they dont.

I bought toyota for the reliability( despite the news) and the resell aspect. Hope i am not crying in 2 years.

EPM

I think you're making a huge mistake buying a petrol Corolla. €2.5k for the diesel would be a no brainer for me. The petrol will be probably drop in value by that amount compared to the diesel, you can have cheaper running costs in the meantime too.

opinion guy

EPM wrote: »

I think you're making a huge mistake buying a petrol Corolla. €2.5k for the diesel would be a no brainer for me. The petrol will be probably drop in value by that amount compared to the diesel, you can have cheaper running costs in the meantime too.

I kind of agree with this thou I realise you probably don't want to hear that right now. Apologies!

I must say interesting thread.

Joey the lips

EPM wrote: »

I think you're making a huge mistake buying a petrol Corolla. €2.5k for the diesel would be a no brainer for me. The petrol will be probably drop in value by that amount compared to the diesel, you can have cheaper running costs in the meantime too.

opinion guy wrote: »

I kind of agree with this thou I realise you probably don't want to hear that right now. Apologies!

I must say interesting thread.

Thanks... I am thinking the same in one sense but my money dictated and yes I understand the tax.

As the VRT/Tax will be lower on the new corrolla's i imagine i will have to pay that 2.5 on top of what i would of had to just to come back up to new petrol

Then i am kinda hedging the although the greens have it as policy I imagine the emission based road tax system will change due to the loss of revenue.

Then again maybe I just have my head in the sand am pee'd at the skoda price and hopeing for a good deal on an exchange in 2 years.

Thanks again