Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

The Higgs Boson being a small 4-D Tesseract

  • 15-07-2010 8:53pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭


    I am for the spacetime continuum because I believe it accurately predicts how gravity acts. Here is a link for that...

    http://www.physorg.com/news187447655.html


    Anyway I thought about the perspective of different dimensions and gravity.

    Here is what is known as a tesseract

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

    A tesseract is known as a four dimensional square.

    This tesseract that is in rotation becomes very weird looking when looking at it head on.

    Lets have a little thought experiment before we go on...

    What would a 2 dimensional object look like if it was placed in a 1 dimensional world?
    To me I would think that it would exist as a 1 dimensional part but it's true 2 dimensional quality would be hidden from view.

    Now what would a 3 dimensional object look like in a 2 dimensional world? It would look 2 dimensional.

    Now it goes to what would a 4 dimensional object look like in a 3 dimensional world? It would look like a 3 dimensional object. But what if the object when it interacts with the 3 dimensional matter and energy warps? It would create an effect that is 3 dimensional.

    Now spacetime is known as a continuum of both space and time. It occurred to me while I was looking at this picture what spacetime might be made of...

    http://orbismediologicus.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/spacetime1.jpg

    What if spacetime was made out of individual tesseracts that bent when there was mass present?

    Then an effect which is 3 dimensional would be created. In my mind I see this effect being gravity.

    Now that you know how I feel about spacetime being made out of tesseracts I want to go towards the Higgs Boson of quantum mechanics.

    The Higgs Boson gives all objects their mass. But, according to Einstein, mass and energy, bend spacetime.But how is it possible to bend spacetime without mass.

    So I thought why can it NOT be spacetime that bends spacetime?

    I didn't see a reason so I thought more and more about it.

    So if the Higgs Boson is a piece of spacetime then what kind of piece is it?I thought that the Higgs Boson is an actual 4-D tesseract that bends other tesseracts.

    It would explain how when an object compresses it creates an effect of more mass.It is because spacetime is being bent more due to the compression of the Higgs Boson warping spacetime increasingly as they get closer to each other.

    It would also be another connection from quantum mechanics to general relativity.

    If there are any questions, comments, concerns, or conundrums then please post here.
    (I know I have already posted a portion of this before on another thread but I felt this would need it's own.)


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭smiles302


    If it's space-time that bends space-time why doesn't space-time bend into itself and collapse?
    If space-time is made out of Higgs' bosons, does space-time have mass?

    And I don't quite follow
    But, according to Einstein, mass and energy, bend spacetime.But how is it possible to bend spacetime without mass.

    Are there examples of space-time bending without any mass-energy present? I personally think it's easier to think about mass-energy then "mass and energy" as they are interchangeable. It just reads (to me) like saying oranges and oranges.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭gentillabdulla


    smiles302 wrote: »
    If it's space-time that bends space-time why doesn't space-time bend into itself and collapse?
    If space-time is made out of Higgs' bosons, does space-time have mass?

    And I don't quite follow


    Are there examples of space-time bending without any mass-energy present? I personally think it's easier to think about mass-energy then "mass and energy" as they are interchangeable. It just reads (to me) like saying oranges and oranges.
    Because the spacetime bending the other spacetime is separate from the entire fabric and is in the form of mass.


    No it doesn't because the higgs boson is curving spacetime. If it is not separate from the entire fabric then any curve that the higgs bosons create are unable to be seen, because it is entirely the same for spacetime everywhere else as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭smiles302


    If it is not separate from the entire fabric then any curve that the higgs bosons create are unable to be seen, because it is entirely the same for spacetime everywhere else as well.

    How is the Higgs separate from the entire fabric if it is a piece of space-time? =/

    How does that explain how the Higgs itself has mass?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Morbert


    I am for the spacetime continuum because I believe it accurately predicts how gravity acts. Here is a link for that...

    http://www.physorg.com/news187447655.html


    Anyway I thought about the perspective of different dimensions and gravity.

    Here is what is known as a tesseract

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

    A tesseract is known as a four dimensional square.

    This tesseract that is in rotation becomes very weird looking when looking at it head on.

    Lets have a little thought experiment before we go on...

    What would a 2 dimensional object look like if it was placed in a 1 dimensional world?
    To me I would think that it would exist as a 1 dimensional part but it's true 2 dimensional quality would be hidden from view.

    Now what would a 3 dimensional object look like in a 2 dimensional world? It would look 2 dimensional.

    Now it goes to what would a 4 dimensional object look like in a 3 dimensional world? It would look like a 3 dimensional object. But what if the object when it interacts with the 3 dimensional matter and energy warps? It would create an effect that is 3 dimensional.

    Now spacetime is known as a continuum of both space and time. It occurred to me while I was looking at this picture what spacetime might be made of...

    http://orbismediologicus.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/spacetime1.jpg

    What if spacetime was made out of individual tesseracts that bent when there was mass present?

    Then an effect which is 3 dimensional would be created. In my mind I see this effect being gravity.

    Now that you know how I feel about spacetime being made out of tesseracts I want to go towards the Higgs Boson of quantum mechanics.

    The Higgs Boson gives all objects their mass. But, according to Einstein, mass and energy, bend spacetime.But how is it possible to bend spacetime without mass.

    So I thought why can it NOT be spacetime that bends spacetime?

    I didn't see a reason so I thought more and more about it.

    So if the Higgs Boson is a piece of spacetime then what kind of piece is it?I thought that the Higgs Boson is an actual 4-D tesseract that bends other tesseracts.

    It would explain how when an object compresses it creates an effect of more mass.It is because spacetime is being bent more due to the compression of the Higgs Boson warping spacetime increasingly as they get closer to each other.

    It would also be another connection from quantum mechanics to general relativity.

    If there are any questions, comments, concerns, or conundrums then please post here.
    (I know I have already posted a portion of this before on another thread but I felt this would need it's own.)

    Show me how general relativity falls out of this picture of particle physics and you will have me sold at least as far as believing such a theory has potential.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    With all due respect, you've provided little more than abstract and poorly formed musings. Would it be possible for you to flesh out your idea better? I don't see the motivation behind it and I don't entirely understand what you're trying to get at. It's too vague for me to comment more specifically.

    I don't wish to sound too harsh, but you perhaps need to think about this a bit more and formulate your ideas slightly better.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭gentillabdulla


    Oh it's just a thought I had about the problem of mass bending spacetime.

    If mass bends spacetime and a higgs boson gives everything mass, then could it be possible that a higgs boson particle is an actual piece of spacetime?

    If the higgs boson is an actual piece of spacetime then could it be a 4-D tesseract?

    That's basically the questions I had.


Advertisement