driving ban...with no licence???

punchdrunk

ok folks,first off this is not about me,I don't even own a car :cool:

but lets just say this is in relation to a friend

he left school,started working for a large company on the road all day,driving so he was given a company car,but he never got a license,he never even got a provisional

company insurance covers him,and they obviously don't check out employees license either

roughly 7 years ago,was caught drink driving and given a one year ban from driving....but they didn't realise he didn't have one to ban!

he didn't tell work and kept on the road

fast forward to a few months ago,he gets stopped and asked to present his licence at a station which he ignores

now he gets a court summons for failing to present his license
basically he's still driving a decade after starting

legally whats going to happen to him? what are his options to stop him losing his job? (for which his car is an integral part)

pirelli

punchdrunk wrote: »

ok folks,first off this is not about me,I don't even own a car :cool:

but lets just say this is in relation to a friend

he left school,started working for a large company on the road all day,driving so he was given a company car,but he never got a license,he never even got a provisional

company insurance covers him,and they obviously don't check out employees license either

roughly 7 years ago,was caught drink driving and given a one year ban from driving....but they didn't realise he didn't have one to ban!

he didn't tell work and kept on the road

fast forward to a few months ago,he gets stopped and asked to present his licence at a station which he ignores

now he gets a court summons for failing to present his license
basically he's still driving a decade after starting

legally whats going to happen to him? what are his options to stop him losing his job? (for which his car is an integral part)

A.Take the 250 fine and hope he doesn't get caught again or
B Get a provisional and do the test.

Sounds your friend probably had a provisional licence and now he has to do the test. So do the friggin driving test or stay off the road.

punchdrunk

pirelli wrote: »

A.Take the 250 fine and hope he doesn't get caught again or
B Get a provisional and do the test.

Sounds your friend probably had a provisional licence and now he has to do the test. So do the friggin driving test or stay off the road.

nope he's never had any form of license,provisional or otherwise!

would he get off as lightly as a fine???

Delancey

punchdrunk wrote: »

nope he's never had any form of license,provisional or otherwise!

would he get off as lightly as a fine???

Unlikely - as an unlicensed driver he is also automatically uninsured ( this despite whatever Policy his employer has in place ). The normal practice is for a ban to be imposed for no insurance - your friend needs legal advice and quick and preferably from a solicitor experienced in Road Traffic matters.

mathepac

Not a chance of only a fine.

1st prosecution:

Drunk Driving - 1 year driving ban, 3 points on licence (IIRC)
No licence - 1 year driving ban, 6 points on licence
No insurance (due to not having a licence) 1 year driving ban, 5 points on licence
+ failure to produce licence
+ fines

2nd prosecution

No licence - 1 year driving ban, 6 points on licence
No insurance (due to not having a licence) 1 year driving ban, 5 points on licence
Driving while banned - 1 year driving ban, 6 points on licence
+ failure to produce licence
+ fines

and the judge has the option to send him to jail and his job is gone.

Good riddance I say and to all like him.

mikemac

Quite likely he is going to lose his job over this.

A traveling salesman or rep with no license and a ban is no good to them.
Unless he takes an office job, if he is good it might be an option

Even if he gets away with a fine which shouldn't happen, the employer could sack them over this as he basically lied to them.
Unemployment beckons I think

trad

Also his employer may be liable for prosecution for allowing an unlicensed driver (uninsured). to drive their vehicle.

Reloc8

In court its almost certainly going to come out that he has no license, and a conviction for drink driving. He's in potentially very serious trouble and show go to a solicitor for advice, immediately.

Ignore any advice to the contrary.

slimjimmc

delancey42 wrote: »

Unlikely - as an unlicensed driver he is also automatically uninsured ( this despite whatever Policy his employer has in place ). The normal practice is for a ban to be imposed for no insurance - your friend needs legal advice and quick and preferably from a solicitor experienced in Road Traffic matters.

Are you sure?
I understood it be that once you're accepted onto a policy you're covered. If you're subsequently found to be in breach of the T&Cs the policy can be voided and from that point on you're uninsured, but until then you still have 3rd party cover, no?

scudzilla

punchdrunk wrote: »

ok folks,first off this is not about me,I don't even own a car :cool:

but lets just say this is in relation to a friend

he left school,started working for a large company on the road all day,driving so he was given a company car,but he never got a license,he never even got a provisional

company insurance covers him,and they obviously don't check out employees license either

roughly 7 years ago,was caught drink driving and given a one year ban from driving....but they didn't realise he didn't have one to ban!

he didn't tell work and kept on the road

fast forward to a few months ago,he gets stopped and asked to present his licence at a station which he ignores

now he gets a court summons for failing to present his license
basically he's still driving a decade after starting

legally whats going to happen to him? what are his options to stop him losing his job? (for which his car is an integral part)

I'd say he should be more concerned about losing his freedom

Our man in Havana

slimjimmc wrote: »

Are you sure?
I understood it be that once you're accepted onto a policy you're covered. If you're subsequently found to be in breach of the T&Cs the policy can be voided and from that point on you're uninsured, but until then you still have 3rd party cover, no?

All those policies have a line to the effect, "provided the person driving holds a licence to drive the vehicle or has held and is not disqualified from holding or obtaining such a licence".

That excludes anyone that has never had a licence.

punchdrunk

scudzilla wrote: »

I'd say he should be more concerned about losing his freedom

really? I mean he's been a bit of a muppet about some things in his life (i.e this) but he's really a truly nice guy,prison would ruin him completely

FreudianSlippers

punchdrunk wrote: »

really? I mean he's been a bit of a muppet about some things in his life (i.e this) but he's really a truly nice guy,prison would ruin him completely

What is it they say: "Don't do the crime if you don't want to do the time"?

Delancey

punchdrunk wrote: »

really? I mean he's been a bit of a muppet about some things in his life (i.e this) but he's really a truly nice guy,prison would ruin him completely

Well , I reckon he will be in deep sh1t if it emerges he drove after being banned for Drink Driving - but TBH I don't know enough to say he's looking at jail.