Poll - the fallout from yesterday, what should happen next?

homerjay2005

apologies for another thread, but wanted to see the public view in poll format. if the mods dont want another thread, is it possible to add a poll to an existing thread. or maybe, this touches at another angle reallly.

personally, i think the calls for a replay are way off the mark, people are getting caught up in the emotion of it all. i feel louth should be banned, though it would be unfair on all the players and the genuine supporters. people are just concentrating on the "goal". yes it should never have happened, it wasnt a goal, but why are we just concentrating on that.

did louth get alot of soft frees before that so really have nothing to complain about?
was it a square ball?
was it a penalty?
were we playing overtime or were their other additions due to indiscipline by Louth players?
did the Louth players reactions to the ref, fuel what followed?
why are people justifying the attack on the ref?
should the actions of fans, carry repercussions for the county as a whole.


anyway, voting please as to what should happen next...

derealbadger

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

i voted for a replay in the interest of fair play oh and im a Galway man

mal1

I voted for 'draw a line and move on'. A replay would be too volatile. I'm from Louth

Shane732

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

Voted for a replay - I'm a Meath man.

I think we should get our chance to win the Leinster title properly and not have people slating us about robbing it.

flahavaj

Poll needs a "People stop starting yet another thread on this bloody topic" option tbh.

Anthony Walsh

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

I voted replay, if offaly can get in '98 then louth should get one in 2010, Clare man here

yerayeah

Louth team banned from the remainder of the championship.

I voted for the first option as I think the GAA should hand down lifetime bans to the "fans" who tried to assault the ref. I would have gone for option 4 if it hadn't said that the GAA should just move on without taking action...

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homerjay2005 wrote: »

did louth get alot of soft frees before that so really have nothing to complain about?
was it a square ball?
was it a penalty?
were we playing overtime or were their other additions due to indiscipline by Louth players?
did the Louth players reactions to the ref, fuel what followed?
why are people justifying the attack on the ref?
should the actions of fans, carry repercussions for the county as a whole.

ill answer these as best i can

no more than any other team, i dont think so
yes
no
additions due to louth players kicking ball away, thats no complaint
dont think so, but maybe
because they are mongos
no

im hoping for no replay, bans and criminal actions against the idiots, nothing against the team

Louth fan

My name is URL

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

I voted that Meath should offer a replay.. however, I think that the GAA should step in after the offer is made and overrule it as a means of collective punishment for what happened after the game. I just think that if a replay takes place, the result will be marred by the minority of fans who acted like complete idiots after the first game.

If Meath make the offer then fair play, it's the right thing to do.. but I also think that the GAA need to take a harsh stance on the events that happened afterward, and the best way to make sure that fans don't behave in that way is to punish everyone for the actions of the minority. Leave it up to county boards to ensure that their own fans don't act like that

I'm from Louth btw

Nickibaby*

Could you please include another option for Louth get the trophy as they won the match please?

Louth had the game only for the wrong decision in the last seconds of play. Surely you know it was a wrong decision so what is wrong with adding it in?

If nobody thinks that should be the case fair enough but it had been suggested by a number of people?

I would have voted had the above option been given. Seen as though it's not i'd say leave things as they are. We all know what happened. Concentrate on the next match.


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My apologies I did not know that I was breaking any rules in copying in my request for an option to be added to the poll, wont happen again

Dionysus

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

Meath should offer the replay, at least, and AGS should bring those reprobates to justice.

But Meath cannot continue in this Championship with honour unless they offer a replay to the rightful winners of the 2010 Leinster Final, Louth.

If Laois could offer Carlow a replay in 1995, Meath can offer Louth a replay in 2010.

dids6457

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

flahavaj wrote: »

Poll needs a "People stop starting yet another thread on this bloody topic" option tbh.

If you aren't interested...don't read and don't vote! This is a site for forums!!!!

amacachi

Meath should offer a replay and Louth should turn it down.

Dionysus

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

yerayeah wrote: »

I voted for the first option as I think the GAA should hand down lifetime bans to the ref who tried to assault the ref.

Where is the evidence that the guy who attacked the referee was himself a ref? Heresay on another Boards.ie thread doesn't count.

Dionysus

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

amacachi wrote: »

Meath should offer a replay and Louth should turn it down.

Why should Louth turn it down?

SomeFool

Louth team banned from the remainder of the championship.

yerayeah wrote: »

I voted for the first option as I think the GAA should hand down lifetime bans to the 'supporters' who tried to assault the ref. I would have gone for option 4 if it hadn't said that the GAA should just move on without taking action...

Agree here, no replay, bans and criminal charges for the muppets who attacked the ref.

amacachi

Dionysus wrote: »

Why should Louth turn it down?

The game is done.

yerayeah

Louth team banned from the remainder of the championship.

Dionysus wrote: »

Where is the evidence that the guy who attacked the referee was himself a ref? Heresay on another Boards.ie thread doesn't count.

That was a typo!!

Atomic Pineapple

Louth team banned from the remainder of the championship.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

did louth get alot of soft frees before that so really have nothing to complain about?

Yes, an unbelievable amount of frees that were never fouls were given to Louth, they failed to convert most of them though.

was it a square ball?

Yes

was it a penalty?

After the square ball being missed yes there should have been a penalty

were we playing overtime or were their other additions due to indiscipline by Louth players?

Yes, JP Rooney kicking the ball away 3 times made a show of himself and in fact added the extra 30 seconds on to injury time.


did the Louth players reactions to the ref, fuel what followed?

It shouldn't have and I doubt it did, thugs from Louth would have attacked the ref anyway I'd imagine.

why are people justifying the attack on the ref?

Anyone that justifies it clearly are not Gaa supporters.

should the actions of fans, carry repercussions for the county as a whole.

In this instance charges, fines and lifetime bans for the supporters involved should do but it should be stated that future instances would have repercussions for the county as a whole to prevent it happening again.

I would like to see a replay happen, Meath's victory has been tainted by the way we won it and beating Louth in a replay without incident would settle things. However having a replay is unrealistic for so many reasons already outlined in many threads on this forum.

doncarlos

draffodx wrote: »

I would like to see a replay happen, Meath's victory has been tainted by the way we won it and beating Louth in a replay without incident would settle things. However having a replay is unrealistic for so many reasons already outlined in many threads on this forum.

I'd hate to see a replay as if Louth won it would be equally tainted in my opinion. If Meath offered a replay they'd be in a win-win situation in my opinion. I just hope that they don't

deisedevil

Are we to set a precedent and have the CCC review every game from now on and wait a few days before confirming the result or giving a replay the go ahead. Louth should have had a free out. They didn't and Meath in the end were awarded a goal. How many other incidents in the game did the ref get wrong that may have led to a score, must we add them all up and make sure both teams get justice?

There should be no replay, it would be madness for the GAA to go ahead with it and would set a precedent that would cause all sorts of problems. There should however be a bigger push to have a better system in place to help refs get some of these controversial decsions right in future.

Shane732

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

deisedevil wrote: »

Are we to set a precedent and have the CCC review every game from now on and wait a few days before confirming the result or giving a replay the go ahead. Louth should have had a free out. They didn't and Meath in the end were awarded a goal. How many other incidents in the game did the ref get wrong that may have led to a score, must we add them all up and make sure both teams get justice?

There should be no replay, it would be madness for the GAA to go ahead with it and would set a precedent that would cause all sorts of problems. There should however be a bigger push to have a better system in place to help refs get some of these controversial decsions right in future.

I totally agree with the first part of your comment. There are mistakes made in every game.

I'd like to see a replay because I think Meath would win the match and people might let us enjoy our title. Louth will have had two chances at the title and failed.

Liam Byrne

Where's the correct option :

"Leave the guards deal with the thugs and Meath & the GAA offer a replay in the interest of fair play"

rapid speed

mal1 wrote: »

I voted for 'draw a line and move on'. A replay would be too volatile. I'm from Louth

Yes I totally agree with you, if we looked back at every incident from yesterdays game that the ref got wrong we'd be here all day..

Shane732

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Where's the correct option :

"Leave the guards deal with the thugs and Meath & the GAA offer a replay in the interest of fair play"

Why would the Gardai have to deal with Meath? It was the Louth players who hit out. Have you seen the picture of the punch on Brian Meath? Have you seen the replay of Joe and Shane O' Rourke getting elbowed?

It the Gardai had to deal with any team it would be Louth.

Like I've said, I've no problem with a replay but the Louth players who committed said offences should be sighted by the CCC.

derealbadger

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

Shane732 wrote: »

Why would the Gardai have to deal with Meath? It was the Louth players who hit out. Have you seen the picture of the punch on Brian Meath? Have you seen the replay of Joe and Shane O' Rourke getting elbowed?

It the Gardai had to deal with any team it would be Louth.

Like I've said, I've no problem with a replay but the Louth players who committed said offences should be sighted by the CCC.

i think you are miss reading he is saying meath and the GAA offer the replay

orlyice

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

Anthony Walsh wrote: »

I voted replay, if offaly can get in '98 then louth should get one in 2010, Clare man here

The Offaly v Clare refixture was different, it was in the rulebook that if the match is ended before time then a replay has to be given. The GAA or the teams had no option in that situation.

Anyway I reckon Meath definately should offer a replay.

alex73

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

Think it would be better is meath offered a replay. Might calm the waters.

But for sure the abuse the ref got was totally uncalled for, to have to get the Gards involved at a GAA match is a sad day for Irish Sport.

deisedevil

Shane732 wrote: »

Why would the Gardai have to deal with Meath? It was the Louth players who hit out. Have you seen the picture of the punch on Brian Meath? Have you seen the replay of Joe and Shane O' Rourke getting elbowed?

It the Gardai had to deal with any team it would be Louth.

Like I've said, I've no problem with a replay but the Louth players who committed said offences should be sighted by the CCC.

You picked that up wrong in fairness.

"Leave the guards deal with the thugs and Meath & the GAA offer a replay in the interest of fair play"

Two parts to that, he was just saying that the guards should deal with the thugs, not Meath. Then 2nd part is that Meath and GAA should offer replay.

I agree Guards should without a shadow of a doubt come down hard on the idiots who shamed our great sport yesterday.

But Meath might say they would be ok with a replay but that's just a gesture, there won't be a replay and there shouldn't be.

derealbadger

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

orlyice wrote: »

The Offaly v Clare refixture was different, it was in the rulebook that if the match is ended before time then a replay has to be given. The GAA or the teams had no option in that situation.

Anyway I reckon Meath definately should offer a replay.

yes but the Laoise V Carlow game was for the same general reason

jdooley28

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Where's the correct option :

"Leave the guards deal with the thugs and Meath & the GAA offer a replay in the interest of fair play"

There is nothing in the rulebook AFAIK that would allow the GAA to offer a replay. Yeah its up to the guards to deal with how the ref was attacked its simply not on. However, the fact he was attacked should not effect how people judge how he dealt with incident. He blew it, the big team got the big decision, I genuinely believe that if that had happened to Dublin in Croke Park the goal would not have stood and he would have spent a few minutes consulting the umpires.

StupidLikeAFox

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

I reckon Meath should offer the replay. The GAA are claiming their hands are tied, essentially passing the buck to meath, but Im sure if they really wanted to they could intervene. Indeed Im sure theres plenty of politicking going on behind the scenes either way.

The reason Meath should offer the replay is that the cup is tainted. They are Leinster champions on paper only, everybody knows that Louth were robbed and no amount of justifying it (by saying things like "what happens on the day should stand" or "the ref awarded it so nothing more can be done") will change the fact that there was blatant cheating and it would be allowed to go unpunished.

By offering a replay they are holding their hands up and it will reflect better on both themselves and the game in general. They should at least give themselves a second chance to redeem themselves as there is nothing to gain by holding on to a title they are not entitled to and everything to gain by trying to ensure that fair play prevails

JHMEG

Poll is missing an option:

Meath concede they didn't win the Leinster final and hand trophy over to Louth.

Fandango

Leave the guards deal with the thugs and GAA draw a line and move on, no replay.

Voted Meath offer a replay but as i said in the other thread, i wouldnt blame them if they didnt. Also, i would prefer a mix of all the choices there, meath offer a reply, gardai deal with the thugs and possibly a fine on the Louth Board, altho the board are only responsible for the crowd if its a home game i presume?

homerjay2005

Meath offer a replay in the interest of fair play.

JHMEG wrote: »

Poll is missing an option:

Meath concede they didn't win the Leinster final and hand trophy over to Louth.

are you actually serious?

the only way trophies are forfeited like that are for drugs offences or match fixing. im pretty sure, unless you can prove otherwise, that neither took place yesterday. reffing mistakes are not grounds for something like this. the match is over, the scoreline is done and dusted. the only way for a replay is for meath to offer it, on the grounds of fair play. nothing else.

for god sake, a dose of realism please.

JHMEG

homerjay2005 wrote: »

im pretty sure, unless you can prove otherwise, that neither took place yesterday. reffing mistakes are not grounds for something like this. the match is over, the scoreline is done and dusted.

Well that's (another) shortcoming on the rules.

Meath lost, fair and square. The ref said so today.

homerjay2005

Meath offer a replay in the interest of fair play.

JHMEG wrote: »

Well that's (another) shortcoming on the rules.

Meath lost, fair and square. The ref said so today.

what is your involvement in sports please? just so that i can understand where you are coming from.

are you from louth? do you play or follow sports? would you say sport is a big part of your life?

if you would say yes to parts 2 and 3, then there is no way you would be posting this. this is not a gaa issue, this is a sports issue. once a result is over, you could count the number of times in a year very quickly, worldwide, that a major sporting event is replayed due to an officials error. it just doesnt happen.

we saw this ourselves last november in paris.

JHMEG

homerjay2005 wrote: »

you could count the number of times in a year very quickly, worldwide, that a major sporting event is replayed due to an officials error.

Remove invalid goal from scoresheet, Meath lose, no replay. Meath are gracious and acknowledge.

homerjay2005

Meath offer a replay in the interest of fair play.

JHMEG wrote: »

Remove invalid goal from scoresheet, Meath lose, no replay. Meath are gracious and acknowledge.

you never answered my questions. so i will assume your just an armchair "fan" will i?

you cant just magically remove a goal or a score. sure while we are at it, lets blame the wind for louth kicking those wides in the 2nd half. or take away the sending, that lad would have stopped the ball going to sheridan, so the goal is gone. meath got a score because the ball at the time wasnt inflated to the correct pressure, lets give louth 3 more points and meath 5, as the ref gave frees that were wrong. final score, louth 1-21, meath 0-10. there you go then, happy now? where would it end?

as i said, a dose of realism is needed here lads, some of the posts are pathetic. the sad thing is, the majority of the people are totally ignoring the aftermath and the disgraceful scenes that happened. some people are watching too much big brother, home and away and neighbours i think and not enough involvement in sport.

JHMEG

I'm suggesting Meath act, not the GAA which don't have the rules to act.

Here's how it would work: Meath can offer a replay and then concede the replay.

Not that hard.

Warper

Clare offered a replay to Offaly in the 98 AI Hurling semi-final when leading by a couple of points with 2 mins left and the ref blew early. It cost them the AI that year as Offaly easily won the Final. That took sportsmanship as they didnt have to.

This is nowhere near as big a game plus there is also the back-door. Meath should grant Louth a replay in the fairness of the game. It looks very bad on Meaths behalf if they dont. For what its worth I dont blame the officials at all, mistakes will always happen and people forget they do it on a voluntary basis. The onus is on Meath to stand up now.

Warper

JHMEG wrote: »

Remove invalid goal from scoresheet, Meath lose, no replay. Meath are gracious and acknowledge.

That is ludicrous tbh and you are living in cloud cuckoo-land to believe that.

JHMEG

Warper wrote: »

That is ludicrous tbh and you are living in cloud cuckoo-land to believe that.

No, I don't believe Meath will be that gracious. With a replay Meath have a chance of winning a game they already technically lost. So it'll be their best option - potentially win the Leinster Final and look good while doing it.

deisedevil

JHMEG wrote: »

No, I don't believe Meath will be that gracious.

Why on earth should it be up to Meath. If Meath were to offer a replay then the next time an official gets a decision wrong the county who falls victim to it will be asking the other county board to give them a replay and feeling they are also entitled to it etc. It's not Meaths fault that an official got a decision wrong and it is up to the GAA to review it if they see fit. Even if Meath agree to a replay the GAA aren't going to just allow it to go ahead anyway as it would open up a can of worms for the future.

Be realistic. It was a very tough one to take for Louth but nothing is perfect in the rules of sport, officials do their best to get all decisions right but they are human and will make mistakes and not all these mistakes can be rectified afterwards and not all these injustices can be made just. Life isn't fair and neither is sport or GAA.

homerjay2005

Meath offer a replay in the interest of fair play.

well now, this in very interesting...

http://www.hoganstand.com/colleges/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=124533

Fitzpatrick calls for replay

Louth manager Peter Fitzpatrick
25 February 2010


Louth manager Peter Fitzpatrick is adamant that the O'Byrne Cup final should be replayed.

The Wee County were beaten by a point by DCU in Sunday's decider after Meath official Joe Curley blew the game up early. Fitzpatrick insists that rules are rules and that the game should be played again in the interest of fair play:

"The rules are the rules. He [the referee] was penalising lads all afternoon for illegal handpassing.

"I approached him after the game and he said 'I played two minutes' but when I told him he blew it up when the ball was in play, he stopped. I think he knew then that he had made a mistake.

"The GAA are using TV to give lads red cards, so if they play by the rules they will replay the game."

the lad is a bit of an embarrassment to be honest, he has come across as a total sore loser in this whole saga.

Minstrel27

Louth team banned from the remainder of the championship.

No replay or else you will have 20 requests for a replay every year.

magicface1

Ok heres my view I was at the game on Sunday and was shocked at what was going on during the game. Off the ball hitting from the louth players, kicking the ball away to waste time on a number of times and everytime Meath got a free close to the goal I think the louth fans cheered and booed more than they would cheer for there own scores. Is this fair play I dont think so. But I do feel they are hard done by with the goal at the end and I do fell sorry for all the genuine supporters. But those "tough guys" that ran on to the pitch at the end of the game to attack the ref was a complete and utter joke. The ref made a mistake he is human and tbh I dont think the gaa officals helped him enough to get him off the pitch straight away. I remember the clare offaly game in croker in 98 when he blew up early 4 or 5 big guys in black suits came onto the pitch and escorted him off straight away.