Video ref versus Compulsory Umpire Consulation

oicherider

After the Louth v Meath debacle there are a lot of people calling for video reffing.. There were two umpires there that were kept completely out of the decision making process..

In my opinion it should be compulsory for the Ref to consult with both umpires on any goal or penalty decision!

Wont slow the game down and would minimise any bad decisions.. Just wondering what people think..

blackbelt

Both.

In rugby they have the video replay and the tv match official making the call.This works perfectly for rugby and if implemented at intercounty level,would work too for GAA.

starlit

As quoted from the sports section of the irish independent news paper "Don't let video kill the GAA star" what is your view on this?

rebel girl 15

blackbelt wrote: »

Both.

In rugby they have the video replay and the tv match official making the call.This works perfectly for rugby and if implemented at intercounty level,would work too for GAA.

Would you be paying the video ref or just the ref on the pitch? Rugby is a professional sport with professional refs who train to be refs. GAA doesn't have that. Good idea in theory

oicherider

snuggles285 wrote: »

As quoted from the sports section of the irish independent news paper "Don't let video kill the GAA star" what is your view on this?

I agree with it.. I dont think that there is any need for Video Reffing in Gaelic.. It works very well in Rugby but it would slow Gaelic down too much!

There are two umpires there who should be trained to identify any infringements within the penalty area and they should be the ones that have the final say on any goals or penaltys!

Sure the GAA is trying to kill Kerry anyway with video analysis - They dont have any clear policy and absolutely no consistency with the way they are carrying on at the moment..

I really dont understand why the people who are best placed - the Umpires, are not tasked with the responsibility for the penalty area!

All goals and penaltys should have to be cleared by them!

keane2097

oicherider wrote: »

I agree with it.. I dont think that there is any need for Video Reffing in Gaelic.. It works very well in Rugby but it would slow Gaelic down too much!

This isn't necessarily true, unless you insist on having a big dramatic pause like they do in Rugby Union.

In a huge number of cases, the ref could and should be given information on the fly through an earpiece by a videoref without any need to stop the play.

Similarly to soccer, I imagine this "slow the game down" argument is a bit of a fallacy. I mean, how many fouls are committed in every game? A lot of the time you will have seen multiple replays of incidents in the time between when the whistle is blown for a free and the play is restarted.

I'd be interested to see stats on the period of time the ball actually spends in play in Football because I'd have a strong suspicion that this idea of it as a fast-paced, free-flowing game is false.

rebel girl 15

keane2097 wrote: »

I'd be interested to see stats on the period of time the ball actually spends in play in Football because I'd have a strong suspicion that this idea of it as a fast-paced, free-flowing game is false.

It was published for last years AI final, or the year before - think the ball was out of play for about 25% of the time. Not 100 per cnt sure, but I remember reading it and being slightly amazed, but not completely surprised at how much time the ball spent out of play. Maybe try the Kerry Examiner on a Monday, I know there is a crowd doing stats, and may have ball in play time

Fandango

To further the point for video ref, are we forgetting the point that wasnt for Cork v Waterford? Another howler by the umpires. With my da being a Corkman i was shouting for them but both myself, my bro and my da could clearly see the shot went wide. Alot tougher with a small sliotar i suppose but a video ref would avoid these mistakes. As for the Meath goal, how the umpire on the right hand side (as your looking from pitch to goal) couldnt clearly see it was carried over and then thrown is beyond me! He had to see it as Sheridan was facing his direction. I presume he basically wussed out on demanding the refs attention to it. In sport these days i cant understand the lack of technology! And as anyone who has been at a rugby game, waiting for the result of a video ref doesnt really kill the game, it builds tension and creates a bit of atmosphere.

Pete_Cavan

Video refs are only used in rugby for incidents in the try scoring area. It works here because that passage of play has come to an end and the game is stopped. The video ref then determines what actually happened (whether it be a legitimate try, a knock on, ball/player in touch, ball held up, etc.) and the game is restarted in accordence with the rules based on that event (so try then conversiona and drop off, knock on followed by scrum etc.)

It is not this simple in Gaelic football because what happens if the video replay shows that play should not have stopped, how do you restart it? Throw the ball up on the edge of the square? Hardly seems fair when the defending team could have potentially turn over possession and gone up the other end for a score had play been allowed to continue when it was stopped to rewind the tapes.

The simplest solution (which is often the best) is to increase the authority of the umpires, similar to that of a lineman. If the ball goes out of play the linesman puts up his flag and the referee blows his whistle and awards a line ball in the direction of the linesmans flag. If the flag does not go up play continues. Last Sunday the referee told the umpire to put up his flag instead of consulting him. Why not allow the umpire to signal to the referee if they feel there is a goal/penalty/free out? Even something as simple as putting up the hand to tell the referee to stop the play and then the umpire can advise the ref on what happened and how the game should be restarted. If the umpire does not give the signal the ref does not blow the whistle (unless he sees something else) and play continues.

I mean whats the point in having umpires there if all they are going to do is wave a flag. The final decision would still remain with the ref and he has the right to overrule a linesman or umpire but if he is not sure he should go with the umpire. The umpire will have a better view so is more likely to get the decision right and after the abuse the ref get after the match on Sunday Im sure they will be more than happy to share some responsibility with the other officials. Umpires already advise the ref on off the ball incidents and whether there it is a 45 or kickout so why on during play as well?

Video technology is too complicated and if you have it for goal mouth incidents why not all over the pitch? Refs can make bad decisions anywhere on the pitch and every decision to award/not to award a free has the potential to change the outcome of a game so where do you draw the line with video replays?

Coogee

Umpiring standards a joke

keane2097

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

It is not this simple in Gaelic football because what happens if the video replay shows that play should not have stopped, how do you restart it?

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Why not allow the umpire to signal to the referee if they feel there is a goal/penalty/free out? Even something as simple as putting up the hand to tell the referee to stop the play and then the umpire can advise the ref on what happened and how the game should be restarted. If the umpire does not give the signal the ref does not blow the whistle (unless he sees something else) and play continues.

Are you serious?

What if the Umpire gets a call wrong, as happens extremely often?

Number 1 below is the scenario you suggest, number is with a video ref:

1. Umpire raises his hand, forcing the ref to stop the game for something that the game shouldn't be stopped for. Referee then imposes a penalty on a team incorrectly based on the Umpire's incorrect decision.

2. Video ref watching replay does the equivalent of "putting up his hand" by telling the ref through an earpiece that the game ought to be stopped for an incident. Referee stops the game, then imposes the correct penalty/takes appropriate action 99.99999% of the time due to the accuracy of information the video ref will be relaying to him.

Scenario 2 is clearly better than scenario 1 and will be very close to 100% of the time.