Ditching Telsey Modem/Router

sham69

Hi,
I am a magnet customer and am trying to use a dlink wireless N modem/router instead of the telsey thats provided.
I am a bit clueless when it comes to this stuff but know the basics.
When I access the admin page for the dlink I changed the DNS to point at magnets. I was unsure about the IP address of the router so tried leaving it 192.168.0.1 and also tried changing it to 87......
I also changed the netmask to 255.255.252.0 which magnet uses.
I can pick up the dlink wirless signal but am not getting an internet connection from it.
I wanted to try getting it working with the telsey first before I get rid of it completely but can't even get that far.
Apologies if this seems vague but as I said I am not great with networking.
Any help greatly appreciated.

Knasher

I've signed up for magnet internet but I'm still waiting on my connection, so this is all just conjecture on my part.

From what I hear Magnet don't allow you to completely ditch the tesley modem and use your own equipment, probably cheaper for them to support if everyone is using the same stuff. However it does supply a publicly addressable IP to everything that connects to it so if your router is a standard ethernet router you should be able to use it as such, if it has an integrated modem the you're mostly out of luck. First thing you need to do is tell people what model DLink router you have and then people will be able to help you further.

On a more technical note, has anyone ever tried opening up those tesley modems and connecting a serial header to them. From their manufacturers website they seem to be running linux based firmware and they possibly have a header on the board. It may be possible to hook it up and get the settings that way, though God only knows how Magnet would react if you have your own equipment on their network.

sham69

Cheers for the reply.
It does say cable modem in the description but it mentions in the manual that it works for ADSL aswell (I hope).
I bought it as I was advised on an modem/router by another guy on here who has actually managed to ditch the telsey completely.
I PM him but he hasnt got back.

Here is the model of the router http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=565

Spear

sham69 wrote: »

Cheers for the reply.
It does say cable modem in the description but it mentions in the manual that it works for ADSL aswell (I hope).
I bought it as I was advised on an modem/router by another guy on here who has actually managed to ditch the telsey completely.
I PM him but he hasnt got back.

Here is the model of the router http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=565

There's no modem in that, it's just a router. You can connect it to the Telsey and have it do the routing between our PC's and the net at least.

Dublin_Gunner

sham69 wrote: »

Hi,
I am a magnet customer and am trying to use a dlink wireless N modem/router instead of the telsey thats provided.
I am a bit clueless when it comes to this stuff but know the basics.
When I access the admin page for the dlink I changed the DNS to point at magnets. I was unsure about the IP address of the router so tried leaving it 192.168.0.1 and also tried changing it to 87......
I also changed the netmask to 255.255.252.0 which magnet uses.
I can pick up the dlink wirless signal but am not getting an internet connection from it.
I wanted to try getting it working with the telsey first before I get rid of it completely but can't even get that far.
Apologies if this seems vague but as I said I am not great with networking.
Any help greatly appreciated.

There is a thread here about ditching the telsey and using your own.

You *may* need to have your router in bridge mode, and I'm pretty sure there are another couple of settings you have to change.

BTW - you can get the IP adress of your router by opening a CMD prompt, and typing:

ipconfig /all

The default gateway address should be the address to your router. Pop this in the browser and you should get to it from there. (you'll note the default gateway if blank on the telsey router, it is on mine anyway :rolleyes:)

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055879677&highlight=telsey

BTW you wont be able to use that router on its own, it has no built in modem. You need an ADSL2+ Modem/router to have any chance of dithing the telsey.

sham69

Cheers guys.
I know how to get the IP but still couldnt get it to work.
It seems I bought the wrong router, meant to get one with a modem in it :mad:

Anyway I would be happy enough if I can manage to get it working with the telsey. As I said I can get the wireless signal from the Dlink ok but its not connecting to the internet.
I will have another mess aorund with it when I get home.
Thanks again.

Dublin_Gunner

sham69 wrote: »

Cheers guys.
I know how to get the IP but still couldnt get it to work.
It seems I bought the wrong router, meant to get one with a modem in it :mad:

Anyway I would be happy enough if I can manage to get it working with the telsey. As I said I can get the wireless signal from the Dlink ok but its not connecting to the internet.
I will have another mess aorund with it when I get home.
Thanks again.

Take the ethernet from the telsey into the WAN of the router. Bingo. Should be fairly straightforward.

sham69

Tried that and it didnt work?
I will try again when I get home as I may have over complicated it due to the fact that I thought it was a modem router so did some messing with the settings on the Dlink.
Will report back later.

Spear

sham69 wrote: »

Tried that and it didnt work?
I will try again when I get home as I may have over complicated it due to the fact that I thought it was a modem router so did some messing with the settings on the Dlink.
Will report back later.

The Dlink should be connect to the Telsey by the WAN port as Gunner said. After that the Dlink should be set to get an address by DHCP as it's internet connection type. After that it'll get a public address through the Telsey and appear as the public interface for your network.

sham69

Thanks, I will reset the router and try again later.
Cheers all for the replies.

jor el

Spear wrote: »

The Dlink should be connect to the Telsey by the WAN port as Gunner said. After that the Dlink should be set to get an address by DHCP as it's internet connection type. After that it'll get a public address through the Telsey and appear as the public interface for your network.

Will this happen? I've not tried this before, so I don't know, but if the Telsey is not in Bridge mode, then will it not assign a local (192.168.x.x) address to the WAN of the Dlink router, and not a public IP which would be assigned to the WAN of the Telsey modem?

Dublin_Gunner

jor el wrote: »

Will this happen? I've not tried this before, so I don't know, but if the Telsey is not in Bridge mode, then will it not assign a local (192.168.x.x) address to the WAN of the Dlink router, and not a public IP which would be assigned to the WAN of the Telsey modem?

But they are all in bridge mode are they not?

I think that's a question for Magnet to answer, as they won't allow anyone access to the Telsey settings grr......

I have seen people set their Magnet connection up as such before though, so while I cannot say it will 'definitely' work for the OP, it 'definitely' has worked in the past using the Telsey on Magnet.

Obviously, the best route would be to replace the Telsey with an ADSL2+ modem/router of your own - but good luck getting the settings.

There is a post in the thread I linked to above suggesting that a different modem/router can indeed be used, and the poster suggested they found the settings on the Magnet site - but I certainly cannot.

I did PM that poster about their settings, but they have not reverted to me as yet.

Knasher

Magnet won't let you put the modem into bridge mode, so its still preforming the PPPoA decapsulation. However the router by default does not have a firewall and provides publicly addressable IPs to everybody who connects, so one of those is what you get when you plug in your router.

OP if the reason you are trying this is due to a problem with the Telsey router, then unless the problem is on the wireless end its possible that this won't help all that much as the Telsey is still doing most of the grunt work.

Dublin_Gunner

Knasher wrote: »

Magnet won't let you put the modem into bridge mode, so its still preforming the PPPoA decapsulation. However the router by default does not have a firewall and provides publicly addressable IPs to everybody who connects, so one of those is what you get when you plug in your router.

OP if the reason you are trying this is due to a problem with the Telsey router, then unless the problem is on the wireless end its possible that this won't help all that much as the Telsey is still doing most of the grunt work.

I was under the impression that the modem was performing in bridge mode when supplied?

One of my main gripes with the Telsey isthe complete lack of even basic security settings.

Anyone can log onto your signal without you knowing, and steal your connection, or in a worst case scenario, perform illegal activities using public IP's assigned to you by Magnet.

Knasher

AFAIK when you are talking about DSL bridging refers to passing through the encapsulated PPP connection and then decapsulating on the router itself, which means that the modem is doing as little as possible such that if it is crap you really don't notice as much.

sham69

right , not really getting anywhere with this.
I left the telsey plugged in as normal, i.e ADSL in, Ethernet from PC to telsey (like to have a hired wired connection aswell) and plugged a cable from the telsey Lan port to a lan port on the dlink.
I cannot get an internet connection.
There are 4 lan ports on the dlink and one internet port (which I presume is for the cable aspect)
So do I need to have the ethernet from the pc going to the dlink aswell as the other ethernet to the lan port?
I hope this all makes sense.
Thanks.

Knasher

The way I would set it up is by plugging in the Telsey as normal. Then a lan cable from the Telsey to the WAN (or Internet) port on the DLink from there ethernet to your PC and wireless to your laptop or whatever. Provided you have the DLink set to DHCP it should get an public IP address and you should be good to go.

The advantages of this approach is that you are behind a firewall on your router, and if you need to set up file sharing on your PC it will be simpler if all your devices are on a LAN together.

The problem with your current setup is you have a DHCP server running on your router handing out leases that have their gateway set as the router. However the router doesn't know how to actually route to the internet so you don't have an internet connection. If you want it wired that way you should disable the DHCP server on the DLink and it should then work by getting the IP lease from the Telsey router.

Hope I was clear enough and that it helps.

sham69

Right got it working.
I rebooted the router after doing what Knasher said and its working great.
i am using it to try to extend my wireless signal around the house for watching neflix in bed on the iPad etc.
Hopefully this will improve things.
Thanks Knasher and everyone else for taking the time to help.
Maybe in a few months I will be brave enough to try to get rid of the telsey with an ADSL router.
Thanks Again.

Dublin_Gunner

The question of how to do this seems to come up quite often - maybe this should be stickied, or at least the information on how to use your own router with the Telsey on Magnet should be stickied.

sham69

Sorry for starting this up again but I decided to try to get rid of the telsey completely.
This time I bought an adsl modem router, wireless N

http://www.tenda.cn/product/show.php?productid-343.html
I followed what someone was saying on another thread about this and in the dsl setting I put 0 and 35 in.
It was 8 and 35.
There are other options for mode , bridge, ppoee, ppoaa and something else.
There are then other options for adsl, adsl2, and annex l and annex m or something like that.
Can anyone help me out with these settings please?
I also tried to split the adsl line which is a disaster if I try to split it going into the modem as the antenna gets in the way of the splitter.
I tried splitting it from the box on the wall but am getting static so I am guessing I need a filter.
Any advice on this greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Sham.

bhickey

The simplest place to get this info is from the Telsey (assuming you still have it and it's still working). Go to wherever the WAN/ADSL settings are in the Telsey and make a note of everything there. Then match these up on the equivalent page on the new router.

sham69

Cheers for the reply.
I don't think I can get the settings as its not your conventional router.
Its a bridged modem router with all the admin done by magnet (as far as I know)
I don't think you can access the settings at all.

Spear

sham69 wrote: »

It was 8 and 35.
There are other options for mode , bridge, ppoee, ppoaa and something else.
There are then other options for adsl, adsl2, and annex l and annex m or something like that.
Can anyone help me out with these settings please?

The Telseys use bridge mode of ATM AAL5 LLC Snap on vpi=0 vci=35 according to Magnet, ideally you should be able to reproduce that in your new router.

bhickey wrote: »

The simplest place to get this info is from the Telsey (assuming you still have it and it's still working). Go to wherever the WAN/ADSL settings are in the Telsey and make a note of everything there. Then match these up on the equivalent page on the new router.

There are no accessible settings on the Telsey.

sham69

Cheers.
I put in the 0 and the 35 (35 was already set), it didnt work.
This was in bridged mode.
The other settings confused me so I didnt change anything else.
Do I have to change anything with regard to the IP or subnet.
Magnet seems to use 255.255.252.0 as opposed to the normal 255.
Sorry I am a bit clueless on this.
I do reckon that I need a filter to achieve the split on the line.
There was supposed to be one in the rotuer I bought but it was missing from the box.
Typical.
I will try to post a picture of the settings page of the tenda to explain where I am getting confused.
Thanks again for the reply.

bhickey

Spear wrote: »

There are no accessible settings on the Telsey.

So does the Telsey not even have any LAN or WAN IP that can be used to access it settings? Now that's just silly.

Spear

bhickey wrote: »

So does the Telsey not even have any LAN or WAN IP that can be used to access it settings? Now that's just silly.

No, there's nothing, it's entirely transparent to the end-user.

sham69

Right,
Here are a couple of screens,
Any ideas welcome as I havent a clue what I am doing.

Cheers.

sham69

Last one,
There are more but I don't think they are important.

sham69

Ok made a bit of progress as far as I have the phone working using the new router.
On advice from Lebash a while back I used the new tend a as the primary plugging the adsl into this then using ethernet cable use the telsey as the secondary and the phone port out and works perfectly.
I ran through the cd setup again, chose bridged , 0 and 35 as the vci etc and that's it.
All seems to go ok but it's not getting an ip?
Any ideas anyone, I think I am pretty close to getting it all working
Cheers.

sham69

Got it working but now the phone doesnt work, so I know what i am doing now.
Once I figure it all out I will post a guide, might be helpful for magnet users as knowledge of this seems to ba scarce.
Cheers.

jamesk_irl

Sham - quick question.

Why not keep the Telsey - use this for your phone.
Connect the Telsey to your router WAN.
Purely use the Router as a router to allocate IPs and maintain your internal network?

I agree there should be Magnet sticky with all of the common setups
* Telsey only
This meets most people's requirement - I found the wireless unstable.

* Telsey/ Router
This is my current set-up and is pure plug and play if your router is only routing.

* Telsey / Router-Modem
This was my old set-up but never got this right

sham69

Hi jamesk_irl,
Thats what I ended up doing.
I put the adsl line into the new router (tenda), ethernet plugged into pc then another ethernet from tenda to telsey (using telsey as secondary router) and then using the phone out from the telsey.
Had this working last night , hard wired internet worked via ethernet cable and wirless worked fine, could connect my iphone , ipad to the tenda wireless and it is much faster (for streaming etc).
Only problem being , the phone is not working properly.
I can get a ring tone but can't make calls in or out.
I need to do a bit more messing around , think I am close.
Cheers for the reply.
I will post instructions once I have it all working.

sham69

Well I gave up on this.
I can get the new router working as far as getting the internet , wireless etc.
I cannot get the phone line working and this is when leaving the phone out connected to the telsey.
I got an adsl filter just in case it was something to do with that but I can't get it to work.
I can get a dial tone but can't dial in or out.
It works fine when adsl line is put back in to the telsey.
Anyone got any ideas?
Is there some sort of voip filter that I might need?
Really clutching at straws now.

Knasher

Having a dial tone from VoIP (which is what the tesley does) isn't really as indicative as it is using regular old dial up because all it indicates is that your phone is connected as far as the PSTN which in this case is just your tesley router, from there normally the tesley would do the connecting to Magnets VoIP server and everything would work. However in your case the tesley can't figure out how to actually get to Magnets network and therefore your phone doesn't work.

Unfortunately I doubt there is much of a way around this, you can't change the routing settings on the tesley so you can't use that hardware. You also don't have your VoIP settings so you can't use their VoIP service with different hardware (unless they are willing to give you the settings). About all you can do is buy different VoIP hardware and then use a different VoIP service.

sham69

Thanks Knasher,
wasted money on the wireless N router so.
Adverts.ie I think...

jamesk_irl

Sham - I don't think you have wasted money.

Connect your phone line to your Telsey
Connect your phone to the Telsey
Connect your Wireless N Router to Telsey using WAN

Connect all machines to the Wireless N Router

Volia

sham69

Thanks for the reply
I have the telsey hard wired to my pc as no wireless card on pc and like having it hard wired for speed
When I plug the tend a in to the telsey wan I lose my hard wired connection on my telsey?
I think it has a problem resolving the dns?
I am not sure if I messed up the settings on the tenda
I have it in bridged mode I think, there are a few settings , mer, bridged, pppoa etc?
Any ideas?
Thanks

Azion

Hey all,
I have Magnet 24Mb with the standard Telsey router/modem.
I'd like to configure my Netgear DG834N to either work in conjunction with the Telsey or standalone. My reason for doing this, is so that I can have a local network, instead of externally accessing devices that are in my home. I've tried briefly to connect the DG834N to the Telsey, using a bog standard network cable, connected to the ethernet port on the Telsey and going into the ethernet port on the DG834N (It's an ADSL router). I've read from above that people are connecting their routers by WAN, however I'm not sure if this is possible using the Netgear as it's only got a RJ11?/Telephone socket input. When I had the setup running, internet would work over the Netgear's wireless, but I couldn't access the admin page for the Netgear. On the Telsey, I could access the Netgear's admin page but there was no internet connection (google wouldn't show up etc.) Bit confused as to why it's working like this. Can anyone offer some advice or help to get this to work as I want?

Thanks

*Update*
Decided to try the Netgear DG834N on its own, and it's working perfectly. Took the phone line out of the Telsey modem and plugged it into the Netgear, and powered on. At first no connection was made, but I changed the ADSL settings to the one's posted earlier i.e.

Multiplexing Method : LLC-BASED
VPI : 0
VCI : 35

Everythings working perfect now!

sham69

glad you got it working azion.
I assume you don't have the voip phone with magnet aswell and just the broadband?
I am desperately trying to get rid of the telsey but can't get the phone working through the new modem router I got.
Sham.

snyperkyller

Hi, I'm a Magnet subscriber. I've been reading lots of posts etc on how to sort out my problem and I came across this one, which has been helpful, so just posting this for future reference.

The Telsey modem is a pain because I want internet access AND to set up a home network. Support at Magnet told me Telsey uses a public address system, which means they conflict with each other. They turned off the wireless capability on the Telsey, the idea being I'd hook up a router to it, but I couldn't get internet access that way, or my networking. My router is a Canyon.

So I rooted around upstairs (no pun) and found an older Belkin ADSL modem-router which I forgot about. I plugged out the connection from the Telsey, put it in my Belkin, plugged the ethernet connection from my Belkin to my laptop so I'd be sure to get the configuration panel.

In 'Connection Type', where it says PPPoe, PPPoA, Dynamic IP etc...I clicked Dynamic IP.

In VPI/ VCI, I put 0 35, and encapsulation as LLC.

That's all I changed in the modem-router settings, and the internet is working wirelessly on all my laptops, with Telsey sitting unplugged in the corner.

Haven't tried the Home network yet, but hopefully it won't be too hard!

C

Heggy

I know this thread is a little old, but I tried using the settings in the screenshot to know avail. The router is a Cisco Linksys x2000


Aside from the QoS, which we weren't given any value for, these settings are I think the same as what everyone is suggesting and also what were supplied to us by Magnet, but we consistently get no internet through our new router.

The Telsey has just been awful to us, not being able to handle many devices and generally having poor reliability when it comes to connectivity.

Thanks in advance to anyone with advice.