european licence

andyone

i was talking to a friend of mine in the uk........ who has invited me over for a shoot in august....... is there such a thing as a european gun licence..to allow me bring my firearm over there... and if so how do i go about getting one....... also..... as i don't wish to carry loads of ammo if any with me.... would it also allow me to purchase ammunition over there.... if the need arised......

Sika98k

Your mate in the UK will have to act as your sponsor and apply for a visitors permit for you.This will entitle you to purchase ammo locally.
You will also need to get a European Firearms Pass yourself.
This you get from your local Garda station [free!!!!!!].

andyone

Sika98k wrote: »

Your mate in the UK will have to act as your sponsor and apply for a visitors permit for you.This will entitle you to purchase ammo locally.
You will also need to get a European Firearms Pass yourself.
This you get from your local Garda station [free!!!!!!].

will i be able to purchase stuff with the E.F.P.
:rolleyes:

Sika98k

andyone wrote: »

will i be able to purchase stuff with the E.F.P.
:rolleyes:

Not tooo sure on that one but your visitors shotgun certificate will alow you to do so.

Tackleberrywho

Sika98k wrote: »

Not tooo sure on that one but your visitors shotgun certificate will alow you to do so.

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/FM07000612

Should help

dCorbus

Hi andyone,

1.
You will first need to get your Europass.
This can be got at your local or district garda station - Your F/O fills in the details and the Super / District Office stamp it. There's no charge for this and your should be able to get it done "while-you-wait".

2.
Fill in the UK Visitor Permit form.
You can use this form from the Met (regardless of where you're going to be shooting):
http://www.met.police.uk/firearms_licensing/documents/visitors_permit_form_107.pdf
You need to fill in the form, ticking the boxes depending on whether it's a permit for a Shotgun or a Rifle (Two different types of permit).

3.
Post it all over to your mate.
Along with the original of your Europass, the form completed as much as possible by you, and your application fee (UK£12 AFAIK).

4.
Your mate fills in the rest of the details on the form and submits it to their local "Chief Officer of Police" - I'm not sure who that is, but your mate can check this with their local station.

5.
You sit back and wait for up to 6 weeks for your permit to be posted directly to you by the UK police (although it usually comes through faster).

Two important things to note:
- It's better to be able to put down an organised event on the form (The coppers prefer this apparently)
- You will need to know the address of the place you're staying in the UK - Preferably your mates or another friends address, not a hotel.

Yes, you can buy ammunition once it's approved on the UK Visitors Permit, but be aware that if travelling by Irish Ferries (as opposed to Stena or the others) you will not be allowed bring any ammo on board on your return trip and any ammo you bring back will have to be within your Irish FAC limit (regardless of how many the UK Permit allows you to purchase).

Any more questions, let us know.
Hope that's of some help to you.

Tackleberrywho

I love my Local FO, she is the Best!

left my licence in today to get the magic S on it, I'll have it in the post FOC Tuesday or Wednesday!!

Then I am getting my New European firearms pass as I will have all Licences and both Mods on it!

I also informed her that the print on the permits are poor.

I may actually use my Firearms pass to carry in my car with me and leave the permits in the safe!

andyone

dCorbus wrote: »

Hi andyone,

1.
You will first need to get your Europass.
This can be got at your local or district garda station - Your F/O fills in the details and the Super / District Office stamp it. There's no charge for this and your should be able to get it done "while-you-wait".

2.
Fill in the UK Visitor Permit form.
You can use this form from the Met (regardless of where you're going to be shooting):
http://www.met.police.uk/firearms_licensing/documents/visitors_permit_form_107.pdf
You need to fill in the form, ticking the boxes depending on whether it's a permit for a Shotgun or a Rifle (Two different types of permit).

3.
Post it all over to your mate.
Along with the original of your Europass, the form completed as much as possible by you, and your application fee (UK£12 AFAIK).

4.
Your mate fills in the rest of the details on the form and submits it to their local "Chief Officer of Police" - I'm not sure who that is, but your mate can check this with their local station.

5.
You sit back and wait for up to 6 weeks for your permit to be posted directly to you by the UK police (although it usually comes through faster).

Two important things to note:
- It's better to be able to put down an organised event on the form (The coppers prefer this apparently)
- You will need to know the address of the place you're staying in the UK - Preferably your mates or another friends address, not a hotel.

Yes, you can buy ammunition once it's approved on the UK Visitors Permit, but be aware that if travelling by Irish Ferries (as opposed to Stena or the others) you will not be allowed bring any ammo on board on your return trip and any ammo you bring back will have to be within your Irish FAC limit (regardless of how many the UK Permit allows you to purchase).

Any more questions, let us know.
Hope that's of some help to you.

thanks for that D, you have explained a lot more than most...
do you know how lomg the permit lasts for..... is it event specific.....or does it last longer...

Tackleberrywho

andyone wrote: »

thanks for that D, you have explained a lot more than most...
do you know how lomg the permit lasts for..... is it event specific.....or does it last longer...

My last one was for a few years if I remember correctly.

I'll be getting it next week when I get my new licence back with the magic S on it.

Sparks

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I may actually use my Firearms pass to carry in my car with me and leave the permits in the safe!

Er, no. The europass is not a firearms licence, it's more a firearms visa. You need to carry the licences for whatever country you are in along with the europass.

andyone

would it allow me to go over the border and buy ammunition... as the wife shops over there a lot......isn't everthing cheaper up there...

Sparks

andyone wrote: »

do you know how lomg the permit lasts for..... is it event specific.....or does it last longer...

The europass lasts as long as your home licence does, which is three years for us but more for other countries, up to a max of five years. You need a new europass thereafter, but that's done by just restamping your existing bit of paper.

The permit lasts for however long the permit says it does. The new NI permit usually lasts six months if I remember right, the old used to last for a few days to a few months, depending on event. Not sure about the mainland UK.

Tackleberrywho

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/FM07000612

Only way José !

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

Er, no. The europass is not a firearms licence, it's more a firearms visa. You need to carry the licences for whatever country you are in along with the europass.

It will pass a Gard me thinks!

Sparks

andyone wrote: »

would it allow me to go over the border and buy ammunition... as the wife shops over there a lot......isn't everthing cheaper up there...

Not on it's own. You need the europass, an NI visitors permit (with a suitable ammunition limit) and your home licence as well, because you're legally going abroad and returning. You should also apply for an import licence from the DoJ, but I'm not sure if the actual chunk of the legislation that requires that has been commenced yet - there are sticky bits in that legislation that really should be tidied up before being commenced.

Sparks

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

It will pass a Gard me thinks!

You think away so. I'll avoid explaining to my boss why I got arrested for an offence under the Firearms Acts...

andyone

Sparks wrote: »

Not on it's own. You need the europass, an NI visitors permit (with a suitable ammunition limit) and your home licence as well, because you're legally going abroad and returning. You should also apply for an import licence from the DoJ, but I'm not sure if the actual chunk of the legislation that requires that has been commenced yet - there are sticky bits in that legislation that really should be tidied up before being commenced.

thanks for that sparks..... so how do i go about getting a NI visitors permit...

Sparks

andyone wrote: »

thanks for that sparks..... so how do i go about getting a NI visitors permit...

The PSNI have that procedure well documented here. (Really excellent website btw, it's nice to see that kind of thing after so many years of this kind of information being nearly unavailable).


(And they call them Firearms to boot )

dCorbus

You may not use your Europass in lieu of your Irish Firearms Cert! So, don't even think about it. You must have your FAC with you when in possession or using your firearms - not a copy!

Might pass one guard but might not pass another - And I'd like to hold onto my firearms and avoid the legal crap, for the sake of carrying some bits of paper.

BTW, I keep my FAC's in a handy little canvas wallet I picked up in Muji and keep them in the leg pocket of my combat/cargo pants - Have had no problems with the printing on any of them to date - I'd say they'd be too flimsy to stick in your wallet or in your backarse pocket and that may be were the problems are arising.

do you know how lomg the permit lasts for..... is it event specific.....or does it last longer...

The UK Visitors Permit is pretty much date-specific - You have to request start and finish dates for the permit. I request a couple of "spare" days beforehand and a couple of days afterward on the Permit, to allow for any changes of travel dates etc. (e.g. you ask for a end-date of 30th August, but miss the ferry and have to wait til 1st Sept - ooops! no permit!). So allow yourself some realistic leaway either side of the actual event.

The event doesn't have to be an official competition or anything - It's good if it is - but a practice session at a defined location is grand.

The Europass, as sparks rightly says, expires on the expiration of your FAC.

Tackleberrywho

andyone wrote: »

thanks for that sparks..... so how do i go about getting a NI visitors permit...

Talk to the piss nee's

http://www.psni.police.uk/30-38.pdf

Tackleberrywho

dCorbus wrote: »

You may not use your Europass in lieu of your Irish Firearms Cert! So, don't even think about it. You must have your FAC with you when in possession or using your firearms - not a copy!

Might pass one guard but might not pass another - And I'd like to hold onto my firearms and avoid the legal crap, for the sake of carrying some bits of paper.

BTW, I keep my FAC's in a handy little canvas wallet I picked up in Muji and keep them in the leg pocket of my combat/cargo pants - Have had no problems with the printing on any of them to date - I'd say they'd be too flimsy to stick in your wallet or in your backarse pocket and that may be were the problems are arising.

I keep mine in my wallet as I never are without them as I carry firearms so often I do not want to be caught out.

I showed my FO the print coming off, and the difference between my Range membership card.

I think I will just look for new ones from time to time.
Irish solution, to an Irish problem

andyone

Sparks wrote: »

The PSNI have that procedure well documented here. (Really excellent website btw, it's nice to see that kind of thing after so many years of this kind of information being nearly unavailable).


(And they call them Firearms to boot )

thanks again sparks.. again you have come up trumps......but sadly i don't know of anyone over the border.... so that is that idea put to bed.... i'll have to put the head down and think of a plan C

Tackleberrywho

andyone wrote: »

thanks again sparks.. again you have come up trumps......but sadly i don't know of anyone over the border.... so that is that idea put to bed.... i'll have to put the head down and think of a plan C

Get friendly with a few then so!

Thankfully I have a few mates from work who are from there.

andyone

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Get friendly with a few then so!

Thankfully I have a few mates from work who are from there.

HMMMMMMMMMMM:rolleyes:

Tackleberrywho

andyone wrote: »

HMMMMMMMMMMM:rolleyes:

Sparks

andyone wrote: »

thanks again sparks.. again you have come up trumps......but sadly i don't know of anyone over the border.... so that is that idea put to bed.... i'll have to put the head down and think of a plan C

Ask the RFD you were going to buy from!

clivej

Andy I have a Europass and Northern visitors license on the 308 give me a buzz if you realy need a Northern license, mine lasts for the year.

I put in the Europass for all my other rifles last week so should have it back next week. You can also ask for an increse of your ammo limit as well on the Europass while your at it. My 308 ammo limit doubled.

Do not expect to get it done over the counter, this is Ireland after all.

Sparks

clivej wrote: »

I put in the Europass for all my other rifles last week so should have it back next week. You can also ask for an increse of your ammo limit as well on the Europass while your at it. My 308 ammo limit doubled.

You can... but it's meaningless. It means you can have twice as many rounds with you while flying between states, but only the original amount on your permit when you take off or land, as the europass doesn't trump your permits, except in those EU states that accept it as the sole document needed, as the EU commission intended they would. Sadly, the UK and Ireland are not amongst those on that list.

clivej

Sparks wrote: »

You can... but it's meaningless. It means you can have twice as many rounds with you while flying between states, but only the original amount on your permit when you take off or land, as the europass doesn't trump your permits, except in those EU states that accept it as the sole document needed, as the EU commission intended they would. Sadly, the UK and Ireland are not amongst those on that list.

Cheers for that Sparks it clears up a few doubts I had.