Cannot Tune TV3

Slipshaney

Hi guys,

I am living in Carrigaline and have a freesat HD TV, I have tuned all freesat channels, non freesat channels and DTV channels OK. So I have pretty much everything, bar TV3!

Could anyone shed some light on how I go about getting this - its not being picked up on the terrestrial aeruial

Thanks in advance

S

mike65

Irish DTT tests carry TV3 on some but not all transmitters at the moment as far as I know (I don't have it either)

Slipshaney

thanks mate - i presume it will be available down the line?

mike65

I guess so, no doubt one of the DTT experts will add more knowledge to this thread during the day!

Sponge Bob

Your telly has no analogue tuner is probably why. TV3 testing stopped months ago on DTT.

Slipshaney

I think it does spongebob - I can get rte 1, 2 and tg4 through the terrestrial arial - and i can also get them through dtv, just no sign of tv3

Sponge Bob

You are tuned to a relay not a main transmitter then, Greystones perhaps ???

Slipshaney

Carrigaline in Cork! But you might have a point alright - is there anyway around this I wonder

Sponge Bob

Spur hill may have TV3 analogue, Mullaghanish does for sure but they will eventually show up on Carrigaline Digital. Also see Antennas comment here

If you have Digital RTE/TG4 then wait, TV3 will eventually show up.

Slipshaney

thanks a lot for the help

Sponge Bob

You could be on Crosshaven instead of Spur Hill , Channel 34 Digital Feed would be Crosshaven . Spur Hill Channel 45 I think. It means your aerial is fine and now you gotta wait for TV3 and RTE to twostep and for the minister to give a 'must carry' order in the end. Then TV3 will reappear on the Digital with no further effort from you.

Mullaghanish would be a tad optimistic, lets not do optimism:)

Slipshaney

good point! im not too bothered really - theres an awful lot of poor quality stuff on tv3 anyway - so i might just hang on for it to come round on DTV

rsmike

Hi Slip, I am also in Carrigaline and just got my 2nd TV up and running for DTT by slotting in a Neotion card, but similar to you no TV3

I thought I was picking up the signal on my TV3 aerial from Mullaganish, but I do also have a smaller (UHF?) aerial pointed at Crosshaven for analogue?

BTW, Slip, if I understand your TV has freesat Satellite and MPEG4/DTT receivers all built in?, i.e. no STB needed, I'm looking at replacing my main TV and that sounds perfect, If you don't mind, What model, where did you get?

Mike

Slipshaney

Hey Mike. thanks for the input

My model is 47" LG LF7700 - I got it from Richersounds, they are on the forum. Great lads to deal with, and I am very happy with the purchase (apart from not having TV3!)

Antenna

the northern end of Carrigaline would be very shadowed from Mullaghanish (covered fine by Crosshaven for RTE/TG4)- but the southern part of the town should be OK for TV3 analogue Ch27(with correct aerial) from Mullaghanish.

Slipshaney

what would be the correct aerial Antenna?

rsmike

Thanks for that slip, just had a look at their web site, looks like a great deal on that TV at the moment.

Antenna, thanks and yes I am due east in Carrigaline geography and getting very good TV3 signal on analogue, Had to put up a new aerial a couple years ago just to get it, Its a much larger aerial than my Crosshaven one and is pointing WNW, so I assume its pointing at Mullaginish.

So from what I read on various posts previously I thought was that my DTT signal would be coming in on the same aerial also from Mullaganish.

But as I am not getting TV3 I am wondering is that because its not being broadcast currently on DTT from Mullaganish, or is it because my DTT signal is coming from Crosshaven on my smaller aerial.

I know its no biggie as I have TV3 on analogue anyway, just curious

rsmike

Slipshaney wrote: »

what would be the correct aerial Antenna?

My (analogue) TV3 aerial look like this

But if you don't have one already, maybe you are better getting one of the new digital aerials, looks similar but probably improve your DTT signal and might work for TV3 analogue until they are available also on DTT? ( could be talking through my a%^e on that last point)

Slipshaney

thanks rsmike - where did you pick that up?

my DTT signal is very good at the moment (I think)! so I might just hold off until TV3 comes to DTV

watty

There is no TV3 on DTT, anywhere.

Not likely to be unless TV3 forced to pay for Platform or significant number of TV3 viewers exit Sky/UPC/Analogue TV3 to make extra cost vs advertising /phone in revenue worth while for DTT.

There might not be TV3 on DTT till Nov 2010 or even next year (2011).

There is NO SUCH THING as a Digital Aerial, nor ever will be. Digital Satellite, Digital Terrestrial and Digital Cable simply use coding of an "Analogue" RF signal. The signal is not actually digital until after the tuner unit inside set-box or TV set.

Gas thing is,it costs RTE nothing to put on TV3,they already have the mux up and need it for their own channels.

Gas thing number two is that Tv3 might even after doing the maths be able to claim that the electricity bill is 75% less versus having 4 analogue tx's going at full power so they might even be able to say to RTE,give us nationwide coverage on all the tx's for less than what we pay now.

Ironic isn't it!

rsmike

Slipshaney wrote: »

thanks rsmike - where did you pick that up?

my DTT signal is very good at the moment (I think)! so I might just hold off until TV3 comes to DTV

I was getting a whole new mast and relocating it following a storm a few years ago so got an aerial guy to do the whole job rather than DIY, I used James O'Keeffe who had a TV business in Carrigaline, think he is still going.

If you want to DIY, take a look at www.argos.ie, just plug in aerial in the search box, they have a big range, the Philex Gold one looks good

Sam Russell

Deleted User wrote: »

Gas thing is,it costs RTE nothing to put on TV3,they already have the mux up and need it for their own channels.

Gas thing number two is that Tv3 might even after doing the maths be able to claim that the electricity bill is 75% less versus having 4 analogue tx's going at full power so they might even be able to say to RTE,give us nationwide coverage on all the tx's for less than what we pay now.

Ironic isn't it!

That is precisely what will happen. If I recall, figures were given that a mux cost €4m and an alalogue UHF channel costs almost the same. TV3 currently pay something like €3.7m for partial coverage, compared to TG4 paying €4.3m for full coverage. So for a fifth of a mux, I assume TV3 would be paying €0.75m - €1m. Of course, they might have to pay more to pay towards the hardware, and the lecky bill run up at Mt Leinster.

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Sam Russell

Sam Russell wrote: »

and the lecky bill run up at Mt Leinster.

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LoL!
Thankfully they ran out of coins for the meter up there! so now only go out on ch45.
Unfortunately ch45 is not receivable by 100's if not 1000's of homes with welsh aerials and is definitely hammered often by presely interference even on mt leinster only aerials as it goes up and down like a yoyo year round not just in summer.

Worst channel choice ever but I suspect that RTENL weren't aware of this when they chose it.
I think they thought that no one would watch UK freeview when presely switched or no one could get it.They would have been wrong on both counts.

They were also probably unaware of the dynamics of presely reception and how strong it gets at times and how a digital signal from there could wreck even a mt leinster pointed dtt aerial.

Leaving that aside,I also think moving aerial groups at mt leinster meaning more expense for the poor license payer down that way was a wholy inconsiderate move given it was avoidable.

watty

TV3 have to also pay for the cost of feeding their program by fibre or someplaces microwave link to the sites.

Sam Russell

watty wrote: »

TV3 have to also pay for the cost of feeding their program by fibre or someplaces microwave link to the sites.

Surely the mux signal is assembled in, say, Donneybrook, and the whole signal is distributed over the fibre link to all Txs. That cost must be within the running cost of the mux. There in no extra cost once the TV3 signal reaches Donneybrook.

On cost, if RTE decide to go HD with at least one channel, and they need to use the second public mux, will TV3 and TG4 have to pay more, to share out the extra cost?

Minstrel27

I am enjoying the test card. I hope TV3 doesn't replace it.

Sam Russell

Minstrel27 wrote: »

I am enjoying the test card. I hope TV3 doesn't replace it.

:D:D:D

FREETV

Sam Russell wrote: »

:D:D:D

Apart from the odd movie from time to time TV3 is rather poor but still necessary for people to watch Ireland AM, Dramas, Tonight with Vincent Browne, Midday and other American rubbish during the daytime. It was by far the worst channel on tv even a few years after it was originally launched. Pretty dull and boring content to say the least!

Sam Russell

FREETV wrote: »

Apart from the odd movie from time to time TV3 is rather poor but still necessary for people to watch Ireland AM, Dramas, Tonight with Vincent Browne, Midday and other American rubbish during the daytime. It was by far the worst channel on tv even a few after it was originally launched. Pretty dull and boring content to say the least!

It is not just the poor production values and appaling camera work, they have 50% more ads than other channels and are directed at a very low level audience. Also they still use 4:3, when everyone elsi is into 16:9 for recent production. Most of what is shown on TV3 is already available on UTV, which gets nearly all its content from ITV1. So we cut out the middleman and watch ITV1 (in HD).

The test card is as predictable as most TV3 content, and at least it is in good quality, with no adverts.

FREETV

Sam Russell wrote: »

It is not just the poor production values and appaling camera work, they have 50% more ads than other channels and are directed at a very low level audience. Also they still use 4:3, when everyone elsi is into 16:9 for recent production. Most of what is shown on TV3 is already available on UTV, which gets nearly all its content from ITV1. So we cut out the middleman and watch ITV1 (in HD).

The test card is as predictable as most TV3 content, and at least it is in good quality, with no adverts.

I too am tired of ads, it is as if they think that the general public are all gullible idiots and believe every marketing ploy advertised to buy these products or go to a certain search engine for example.The drink ads, game console ads, air freshener product ads being the worst culprits. They seem to be cutting corners at TV3 and expenses by still using 4:3. I know there are certain stb's that allow one to skip ads, from recordings, I'm sure that time shifting allows one to fast forward through the crap ads also. The picture quality is only awful during their live coverage of GAA, quite blocky even on a 100Hz plasma tv. An overwhelming imrovement in production, technology and content is what is needed on TV3. After Saorview is launched UPC and Sky will lose a lot of subscribers over time so they may be forced to put 3e on Saorview even if it is not planned to be on it already as their viewing audience figures will plummet and they will lose out on ad revenue. Cameras zooming out in live match coverage is rife on RTE also where the players and match balls look small and distant it is as if the camera lenses are too small and can focus on only a small segment of the pitch Look at the difference when GAA Gold is on TG4. It is the Director of the camera methinks at fault and not the new technology.

Sam Russell

FREETV wrote: »

The picture quality is only awful during their live coverage of GAA, quite blocky even on a 100Hz plasma tv. An overwhelming imrovement in production, technology and content is what is needed on TV3.
... Cameras zooming out in live match coverage is rife on RTE also where the players and match balls look small and distant it is as if the camera lenses are too small and can focus on only a small segment of the pitch Look at the difference when GAA Gold is on TG4. It is the Director of the camera methinks at fault and not the new technology.

GAA is no longer covered by RTE crews. In fact all OBs are done by contractors. So the 'kids with camers' syndrome has spread to RTE as well as TV3. It appears it is quite 'arty' and 'edgy' to fiddle with the zoom, focus, and pan in the middle of shots. It is also cheaper to edit. That is, no edit. More TV means lower standards and poorer quality TV.

tipperary

Slipshaney,

I think if tune to channel 103 on the freesat tuner you'll get TV3, it just has ITV written on the top corner though! Must say I haven't missed TV3 since it stopped broadcasting on DTT.