IS WATERFROD OVERDUE A BY-ELECTION?

Hoffmans

AFTER THE "resignation" of the local Fianna Fáil TD, that party has the responsibility of deciding when the by-election should take place. There is no legal requirement on when to hold a by-election in Ireland but it is generally held within six months.
does it matter if ones held would it make any difference to all the daily expanding list of unemployed europeans in waterford ??

Bards

Hoffmans wrote: »

AFTER THE "resignation" of the local Fianna Fáil TD, that party has the responsibility of deciding when the by-election should take place. There is no legal requirement on when to hold a by-election in Ireland but it is generally held within six months.
does it matter if ones held would it make any difference to all the daily expanding list of unemployed europeans in waterford ??

The opposition parties should be screaming this from the rooftops that it is undemocratic.

I will never vote FF ever again for denying us this basic democratic right to be fully represented - not to mention their failure on the economic front

Sully

A lot of people are annoyed at the "time wasting" done by motions from the opposition calling for the election. Plus there is only so many times you can go about this and its been a hot topic for a good while now, with FG holding a vote on the same subject very recently (Waterford specific).

Cant see us getting any by-election tbh.

Bards

Sully wrote: »

A lot of people are annoyed at the "time wasting" done by motions from the opposition calling for the election. Plus there is only so many times you can go about this and its been a hot topic for a good while now, with FG holding a vote on the same subject very recently (Waterford specific).

Cant see us getting any by-election tbh.

surley sometinhg can be done - constitution challenge, boycot the dail, etc etc

the hullaballo that was kicked up when they were banning stag hunting was just bizare - I am sure I must not be the only one that is fast loosing faith in politics in this country and am wondering when the revolution will begin

JohnC.

Doesn't half make FF look desperate to hang onto power by any means, as well as having no confidence they would do well.

ex_infantry man

there doin as they always do drag out something as long as they can until the dail holidays and effectively the government shuts down for a couple of months so they can have a two month holiday!!!
actually while we,re talking about unemployment!! did ye know that there aint anyone looking at or renewing applications inside in the dole office in waterford apparently the person responsible for signing them off is on a couple of months leave!!! hows is that for disgraceful i just hope i don,t get let go from my job in the next few months or i,ll be having to resort to surviving like bear grylls and eating worms from me back garden!!!!

jayboi

We should have one next year at least as there’s a Presidential election so the government majority will probably be reduced by another 3 provided that they lose the other 2 election.
I for one will not be voting FF or FG for that matter as its six of one half dozen of another and I believe that FG obvious candidate to be a loud mouth with no economic knowledge whatsoever and only skill shown is riding the expenses gravy train.
And as for Labour....given that we are in the biggest economic crisis this country has ever faced and they appear to lack any coherent economic strategy and all im hearing is "Nationalise this!" "Don’t cut that!" I would sooner vote FF.

decies

Bards wrote: »

The opposition parties should be screaming this from the rooftops that it is undemocratic.

I will never vote FF ever again for denying us this basic democratic right to be fully represented - not to mention their failure on the economic front

You should have never voted for them in the first place

Adyx

ex_infantry man wrote: »

there doin as they always do drag out something as long as they can until the dail holidays and effectively the government shuts down for a couple of months so they can have a two month holiday!!!
actually while we,re talking about unemployment!! did ye know that there aint anyone looking at or renewing applications inside in the dole office in waterford apparently the person responsible for signing them off is on a couple of months leave!!! hows is that for disgraceful i just hope i don,t get let go from my job in the next few months or i,ll be having to resort to surviving like bear grylls and eating worms from me back garden!!!!

I got made redundant less than two weeks ago. I went in last Tuesday (was away the week before) and got an appointment for Friday morning. I'm getting my first payment on Wednesday. I'm not sure who is on leave but there certainly isn't any disruption to people applying for benefits.

Smiley Burnett

jayboi wrote: »

We should have one next year at least as there’s a Presidential election so the government majority will probably be reduced by another 3 provided that they lose the other 2 election.
I for one will not be voting FF or FG for that matter as its six of one half dozen of another and I believe that FG obvious candidate to be a loud mouth with no economic knowledge whatsoever and only skill shown is riding the expenses gravy train.
And as for Labour....given that we are in the biggest economic crisis this country has ever faced and they appear to lack any coherent economic strategy and all im hearing is "Nationalise this!" "Don’t cut that!" I would sooner vote FF.

spoken like a true FF'er!

jonnyfingers

Adyx wrote: »

I got made redundant less than two weeks ago. I went in last Tuesday (was away the week before) and got an appointment for Friday morning. I'm getting my first payment on Wednesday. I'm not sure who is on leave but there certainly isn't any disruption to people applying for benefits.

You're lucky. I know of others who have not had such quick service.

Trotter

Green chairman says Waterford bye-election will have to wait

God it really is like the Greens have morphed into FF.

Yes Boss

Another sign of how undemocratic the Green's really are

Deisekickboxing

Trotter wrote: »

Green chairman says Waterford bye-election will have to wait

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so the tds and senators are off on their summer holidays with expenses soon,
so are the greens are a complete joke or are fianna f using them to push the more annoying bits of legislation through to take some of the heat off themselves....

did anyone hear that ff ejeet on wlr this morning singing mr cowens praises for what a wonderful straight man he is in an uber camp interview...

jayboi

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

spoken like a true FF'er!

I dont even know where to start so im just not going to bother

ex_infantry man

Adyx wrote: »

I got made redundant less than two weeks ago. I went in last Tuesday (was away the week before) and got an appointment for Friday morning. I'm getting my first payment on Wednesday. I'm not sure who is on leave but there certainly isn't any disruption to people applying for benefits.

Yeah but how long will it take for them to process your application after you,ve been in with them, don,t mean to be harsh its just i know a good few people in your situation adyx and they,re gonna be waiting a while until there applications are seen too one being my sister and another is a neighbour!!

Adyx

ex_infantry man wrote: »

Yeah but how long will it take for them to process your application after you,ve been in with them, don,t mean to be harsh its just i know a good few people in your situation adyx and they,re gonna be waiting a while until there applications are seen too one being my sister and another is a neighbour!!

As I said it's already been processed. I was told straight away that the payment would be in the post office for me on Wednesday 7th July. I also got a letter today (Tues) confirming this.

In any case you can apply to the HSE for a Supplementary Welfare Allowance to tide you over till your application is processed. This is what I was expecting to happen but it wasn't necessary.

AdMMM

It makes you wonder, if we've been getting on fine without the services of Mr Cullen, is a 4th TD really necessary? If the 3 TDs were complaining about having extra work (and not being compensated for it) then I'd think we need the 4th TD. However, there's been no such complaints so surely we can assume that they're coping fine and that we don't actually need a bye-election?

Bards

AdMMM wrote: »

It makes you wonder, if we've been getting on fine without the services of Mr Cullen, is a 4th TD really necessary? If the 3 TDs were complaining about having extra work (and not being compensated for it) then I'd think we need the 4th TD. However, there's been no such complaints so surely we can assume that they're coping fine and that we don't actually need a bye-election?

It's another voice in the Dail we need - IF they (TD's) can make hay while the sun shines they are not going to call for an early by-election and have another TD in their feeding trough getting Rose down the road a medical card etc.

tombliboo83

It's an independent voice that we need in Waterford (and not one who'll whore themselves to any political party). We need someone to stand up for Waterford who'll vote independently on issues in the Dail and do what's best for our region! Number one priority is a University in this city, education breeds jobs in regions.

ex_infantry man

Adyx wrote: »

As I said it's already been processed. I was told straight away that the payment would be in the post office for me on Wednesday 7th July. I also got a letter today (Tues) confirming this.

In any case you can apply to the HSE for a Supplementary Welfare Allowance to tide you over till your application is processed. This is what I was expecting to happen but it wasn't necessary.

thats good mate, its nice to hear though that ya wont have to wait as long as some!

Adyx

ex_infantry man wrote: »

thats good mate, its nice to hear though that ya wont have to wait as long as some!

Cheers! Hopefully I won't need it for long. Good luck to your sister and neighbour too.

Hoffmans

tombliboo83 wrote: »

It's an independent voice that we need in Waterford (and not one who'll whore themselves to any political party). We need someone to stand up for Waterford who'll vote independently on issues in the Dail and do what's best for our region! Number one priority is a University in this city, education breeds jobs in regions.

who would be the indo canditates in with a shout here ?
,seems the indos do have a little more power depending on which side of the house they allege to these days....

Deise Tom

HEard someone say that you are entitled to one td for every 30,000 people. is this right.

Is it one TD to represent an area of 1 to 30,000 people, 2 td's for an area between 30,001 and 60,000 people and so on.

or

is it that you get one TD when you when you have 30,000, 2 for 60,000 and so on.

What is the population of Waterford City and County.

rugbytiger

Don't think there is a constituency know as WATERFROD...
However WATERFORD needs a bye election NOW!

Mike 1972

It should be made a legal requirement for a by-election to take place within three months of a vacancy arising.

Until all outstanding by-elections have taken place Ireland can not be said to have a legitimate government.

THall04

Hoffmans wrote: »

who would be the indo canditates in with a shout here ?
,seems the indos do have a little more power depending on which side of the house they allege to these days....

John Halligan.....vote no 1 !

Deise Tom

All the elections will take place next year when the presidental election will take place. I am sure we will have one. I doubt anyone will get a clear run to the Aras.

jayboi

We could have one around October if there is a referendum on children’s rights.

THall04 wrote: »

John Halligan.....vote no 1 !

And his policies would be?

Deise Tom

jayboi wrote: »

We could have one around October if there is a referendum on children’s rights.




And his policies would be?

I agree with you with the Children's Rights referendum, but will it be that close. I am not defending anyone, but it is important that everyything about it is right, and i cant see it taking place that quick, but i hope i am wrong.

Would love to know the answer about John Hallingans policies as well. I dont think he has a chance, certainly not outside the city boundary. I have never heard anyone outside of it speak highly of him. I would be for saying that Paudie Coffey has it sown up. Labour seem to be somewhat split with two councillors saying they want to stand. Surly they should have one person in place by now, incase a snap election is called. I know it wont. Dont think SF will do any good either. David Cullinane has stood in enough elections now and has not made any huge impression. Maybe they are picking the wrong man.

THall04

Originally Posted by Hoffmans
who would be the indo canditates in with a shout here ?
,seems the indos do have a little more power depending on which side of the house they allege to these days....

Originally Posted by THall04
John Halligan.....vote no 1 !

jayboi wrote: »

And his policies would be?

John Halligan was a response to a question that was asked about what Independent canditates could run for the by-election.
He's also a nice fella and helped me with a problem I had with the council last year

As for policies.....all Indepenent TD's should only have one policy.....screw the party in power for as much as they can get for their own constituency...in return for their support of that party.
It's not right , its not democratic , but its worked out OK over the past 13 years for Jackie Healy Rae and the people of south Kerry

freewheeler

THall04 wrote: »

Originally Posted by Hoffmans
who would be the indo canditates in with a shout here ?
,seems the indos do have a little more power depending on which side of the house they allege to these days....

Originally Posted by THall04
John Halligan.....vote no 1 !


John Halligan was a response to a question that was asked about what Independent canditates could run for the by-election.
He's also a nice fella and helped me with a problem I had with the council last year

As for policies.....all Indepenent TD's should only have one policy.....screw the party in power for as much as they can get for their own constituency...in return for their support of that party.
It's not right , its not democratic , but its worked out OK over the past 13 years for Jackie Healy Rae and the people of south Kerry

All i know is that we need to get rid of this pathetic excuse for a government...they are denying us our constitutional right to be represented..the bloody cheek of them! Please everyone demand our by-election ASAP!! if nothing else but to get rid ofc the corrupt bastards who rule our nation..:mad:

Deise Tom

can someone list five or six good reasons why we actually need a bye election in Waterford as well as in Dublin and Donergal. None of this constitutional right etc crap please.

Surely to got its getting rid of politions we should be in all constituencies, both TDs and Councillors. Think of the savings it would make. If they do as people think, (Some do but many dont), let lesser numbers make up for the loss in numbers and let them work harder.

Smiley Burnett

spoken like a true FF'er!! AGAIN!! The people we should be getting rid of is Fianna Fail!!!

Deise Tom

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

spoken like a true FF'er!! AGAIN!! The people we should be getting rid of is Fianna Fail!!!

Explain why.


Was wondering is it FOUR or FORE TD's that FG want representing Waterford.

Sully

Deise Tom wrote: »

Explain why.


Was wondering is it FOUR or FORE TD's that FG want representing Waterford.

Explain which? Why the people should get rid of FF or why we should have a by-election?

Deise Tom

Sully wrote: »

Explain which? Why the people should get rid of FF or why we should have a by-election?

Why... when i said the country should be getting rid of councillors and tds and leave those left work harder, i was told i was a typical FF'er or something like that.

Sully

Deise Tom wrote: »

Why... when i said the country should be getting rid of councillors and tds and leave those left work harder, i was told i was a typical FF'er or something like that.

That hasn't answered my question

Its part of Fine Gael policy to reduce the number of TDs IIRC.

I assume the "typical FF'er" comment was aimed because your questioning why we need a by-election in the first place, which is the approach by FF and its supporters who know they haven't a hope of winning the by-election. Plus, its kinda obvious you have some sort of support for FF (even when you try hide it, its not that great attempt :P)

There is a challenge in the courts at the moment which may force the government into holding them anyway.

JohnC.

Deise Tom wrote: »

None of this constitutional right etc crap please.

I think this says it all really. Sure, just throw out the constitution. Ordinary people don't deserve it.

Deise Tom

Sully wrote: »

That hasn't answered my question

Its part of Fine Gael policy to reduce the number of TDs IIRC.

I assume the "typical FF'er" comment was aimed because your questioning why we need a by-election in the first place, which is the approach by FF and its supporters who know they haven't a hope of winning the by-election. Plus, its kinda obvious you have some sort of support for FF (even when you try hide it, its not that great attempt :P)

There is a challenge in the courts at the moment which may force the government into holding them anyway.

If it is FG policy to reduce numbers, why then are they pushing so hard to have the present numbers increased.

Sully

Deise Tom wrote: »

If it is FG policy to reduce numbers, why then are they pushing so hard to have the present numbers increased.

Well, we are currently operating in a system where the numbers are not at the figure FG were talking about (and the people have not decided if they want such change either). There not in government and the only way they can get in and make changes is if more of their candidates get elected. Many areas are crying out for these by-elections to put pressure on the government and it would in turn reduce the FF voting power in the Dail. Many people who elected X people in an area and see it now reduced and the government refusing to re-appoint someone as an insult to democracy and their constitutional right.

mark17

I e-mailed Brendan Kenneally on this matter and he told me Fianna Fail are currently seeking a candidate for the Waterford area, and he hopes a by-election my be held in the spring. This is Fianna Fail democracy to a tee, i was led to believe a government has power when they hold the majority of seats in Dail Eireann, but three seats are vacant so there is not a full Dail. Therefore, they have no right to be in power, until there is a vote from all seats in the Dail, Fianna Fail have no mandate to be where they are, and the sooner the Irish people face up to that the better.

scout353

On an economic front , are we not better off without three TD's in the Dail as we are saving nearly €500,000 in wages and expenses!

Is Waterford any worse off for the lack of a fourth TD? Don't think so!

Are FF denying us our rights to be represented? Most definitely!

Is anything going to happen before the Gov falls? No!

I think FF are waiting for the Gov to fall which will probably happen after the Budget so they won't bother moving the writ!

Deise Tom

scout353 wrote: »

On an economic front , are we not better off without three TD's in the Dail as we are saving nearly €500,000 in wages and expenses!

Is Waterford any worse off for the lack of a fourth TD? Don't think so!

Are FF denying us our rights to be represented? Most definitely!

Is anything going to happen before the Gov falls? No!

I think FF are waiting for the Gov to fall which will probably happen after the Budget so they won't bother moving the writ!

Agree with what you say but the majority will not. I have said time and time again that we are no worse off by not having 4 tds. I have said the amount tds in all areas should be cut and saving money. Have also said that the amount of Councillors should be cut. Few agree however.

Sully

Deise Tom wrote: »

Agree with what you say but the majority will not. I have said time and time again that we are no worse off by not having 4 tds. I have said the amount tds in all areas should be cut and saving money. Have also said that the amount of Councillors should be cut. Few agree however.

Are you only going to post here when someone says something you agree with and run away when the argument does not go your way? Seriously, we all know you support FF at this stage and your always welcome here but at the same time, stop just popping in to do a +1 and then run away when challenged.

Its all very well to say we are saving money by having less TDs, but thats cutting down on the representation this city and county deserves. The people voted them in, and the people want fair representation (and lets face it, Waterford has generally been ignored by FF over the years so if we can improve our voice then so be it). They are not getting it. FF are holding the competitive edge on this one, not in our favour by theirs.

The government are skimming the edge of a possible breach of the constitution and we all know if they were guaranteed the seat, they would run the by-election. The only reason they are holding back is because there is a major risk involved. A risk that could see FG get the seat and increase pressure on the lazy government we have at the moment that the people are disgusted with and want out.

Did you know, that as well as Cowen ignoring the constitution he is bound by that the electorate put him in charge of protecting and adhering to - despite the fact we are debt ridden and struggling, in order to protect his party from loosing an election he is prepared to fight a court case challenging the government that they are wrong not to hold the by-elections. Ah sure, who cares says you? Well, you should. We talk about saving money, and how the economy is in a mess - but Cowen is spending €100,000 of taxpayers money on a High Court battle to try and stop the Government being forced to name a date for a by-election. Just let the vote go ahead, and put the money back into the economy which so badly needs it. Perhaps create a few jobs with it, or help those struggling the most because you wanted to rob the poor and blind.

Are we forgetting that the same government, the cash strapped government who took money from each and everyone of us (unless your a banker or strong developer), the poor etc. is not just spending €100,000 to avoid being put under more pressure and loose a seat in government but they also decided to fork out €40k on a bloody website!

I'm sorry, but I for one have no competence in this government and I want to have my constituency fairly represented by a candidate I deem appropriate to represent me in the Dail - and fight to ensure this government stops ****ing around spending silly money on a website and battling court cases to delay an election.

They are wasting my money. They are not saving this country well enough. Its time they re-focused their attention on getting this country back to work and not stumbling around their failed promises and splashing cash willy nilly where they feel appropriate while ignoring the crisis that lurks behind.

scout353

Well said Sully!

But it will fall on deaf ears and we will just continue to amble along in debt ridden subservience to a party that is milking its final days on office for all it can get!

danjo-xx

so much for so called democracy.....oh lord help me win da lotto and get me out of this hell hole of a country.

Hoffmans

danjo-xx wrote: »

so much for so called democracy.....oh lord help me win da lotto and get me out of this hell hole of a country.

true but many people are being forced out anyway without any lotto windfalls and will proballly never return ...

who would fill the boots of martin cullen down here i have no political allegences whatsoever...
but he did get the place a few good main roads even if the towns streets are left in a right bloody mess....