Skerries 100 rider dies. Spectator injured.

joseph brand

Terrible end to a great day. Great weather, last race, second lap I think.

Information was scarce when we were there.

Thought it was going to be a fatality/ injury free day.

Hope the spectator recovers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/8786059.stm

I won't type his name for obvious reasons.

R.I.P

paddy147

I was there with my girlfriend and daughter and heard and saw it happen.

Nasty and freakish accident involving 2 bikes.It happened on the run down off the hill on the start/finish line to the 1st corner.Bikes would have been traveling at quite a speed,100mph,when braking hard,if not more.

People were totally stunned and shocked when it happened.

I know who the rider fatally injured is but will not name names of the riders involved.

RIP and thoughts and prayers with the people and families of all involved on a sad day.:(

P.C.

Sad news.

R.I.P.

yogidc26

All way scares the sh1t out me when I hear things like this

RIP

traco

Tragic

RIP

Bang Bang

paddy147 wrote: »

I was there with my girlfriend and daughter and heard and saw it happen.

Nasty and freakish accident involving 2 bikes.It happened on the run down off the hill on the start/finish line to the 1st corner.Bikes would have been traveling at quite a speed,100mph,when braking hard,if not more.

People were totally stunned and shocked when it happened.

I know who the rider fatally injured is but will not name names of the riders involved.

RIP and thoughts and prayers with the people and families of all involved on a sad day.:(

I honestly can not see the reason why some people feel the need to post images from a fatal crash scene.
You say you know the rider, can I ask why you posted the image of the crash scene then?
Is that not a lack of respect??

germin

I lost my Father in a racing accident at the Skerries 100, many years ago. It saddens me deeply that the participants of this courageous sport are only passing heroes in this world. My heart go's out to the family and friends left behind.

Del2005

Terrible end to a great days racing. I was at the other side of the circuit when it happened. RIP

iseethelight

R.I.P.
V. Sad news.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Bang Bang wrote: »

You say you know the rider, can I ask why you posted the image of the crash scene then?
Is that not a lack of respect??

That would have been my thoughts also.

Hate hearing this kind of news.

RIP.

paddy147

Asa Quick Sculptor wrote: »

That would have been my thoughts also.

Hate hearing this kind of news.

RIP.

...

paddy147

Bang Bang wrote: »

I honestly can not see the reason why some people feel the need to post images from a fatal crash scene.
You say you know the rider, can I ask why you posted the image of the crash scene then?
Is that not a lack of respect??

Its from a distance and it doesnt show anything.
The pic was also taken after the riders/people involved were taken to hospital.
There were at least 4 Red Cross Ambulances there on standby at the scene incase there were any other casualties that were not known about at the time,people needing treatment for shock etc etc.).

There were actuall professional camera men taking close up photos with large telescopic lens as the riders were being treated on the roadside and then when being removed by Ambulance .

Loads of people were also right on top of the accident scene taking the pics the very second that crash happened.I decided to refrain from doing that.

Bang Bang

paddy147 wrote: »

Its from a distance and it doesnt show anything.

The pic was also taken after the riders/people involved were taken to hospital.

There were at least 4 Red Cross Ambulabces there on standby at the scene incase there were any other casualties).

There were actuall professional camera men taking close up photos with large telescopic lens.

Loads of people were also right on top of the accident scene taking the pics the very second that crash happened.I decided to refrain from doing that.

Your information is incorrect.

Regarding others taking photos, it's you who chose to publish them, in a disrespectful manner (in my opinion).

arybvtcw0eolkf

paddy147 wrote: »

Its from a distance and it doesnt show anything.

The pic was also taken after the riders/people involved were taken to hospital.

There were at least 4 Red Cross Ambulabces there on standby at the scene incase there were any other casualties).

There were actuall professional camera men taking close up photos with large telescopic lens.

Loads of people were also right on top of the accident scene taking the pics the very second that crash happened.I decided to refrain from doing that.

I can't speak for 'Bang Bang', but speaking for myself I'd had held off posting up the photos.

But listen, its not to time to argue as I'm sure you mean't no disrespect to anyone.

paddy147

Bang Bang wrote: »

Your information is incorrect.

Regarding others taking photos, it's you who chose to publish them, in a disrespectful manner (in my opinion).

bangbang,theres nothing to see in any of the pics.

paddy147

Asa Quick Sculptor wrote: »

But listen, its not to time to argue as I'm sure you mean't no disrespect to anyone.

No I didnt post anything to dissrespect anyone or offend anyone.

I took the pic quite some time after the accident happened and all involved had been removed to hospital.It was a general shot of the area and run down to the 1st corner,thats all.There were at least 4 Red Cross ambulances still there on standby incase anyone was needing attention for shock.

I,ll leave it at that.

arybvtcw0eolkf

paddy147 wrote: »

I didnt post anything to dissrespect anyone or offend anyone.

I took the pic quite some time after the accvident happened and all involved had been removed to hospital.It was a general shot of the area and run down to the 1st corner,thats all.

'Bang bang' only asked was it not a bit disrepectful posting up the photos of the crash scene.

You've explained yourself very well, I don't think I'd have rushed to posting the photos but then I wasn't at the scene & so can only accept your explaination.

Given the circumstances I'm not going to fall out with anyone over it.

Thankfully I wasn't there to witness it.

Hope your ok youself?.

paddy147

Asa Quick Sculptor wrote: »

'Bang bang' only asked was it not a bit disrepectful posting up the photos of the crash scene.

You've explained yourself very well, I don't think I'd have rushed to posting the photos but then I wasn't at the scene & so can only accept your explaination.

Given the circumstances I'm not going to fall out with anyone over it.

Thankfully I wasn't there to witness it.

Hope your ok youself?.

Im not wishing to or going to fall out with anyone either.

Thanks and regards.

Bang Bang

paddy147 wrote: »

Im not wishing to or going to fall out with anyone either.

Thanks and regards.

Same here paddy147.

But I can confirm your information is incorrect and innacurate.

Let us leave it at this and let the rider whom some of us know so well rest in peace.

paddy147

To keep bangbang happy,the pic has been removed,even though it showed nothing of offense.

Regards.

LookBehindYou

RIP to the rider, an experienced and well respected rider in the paddock and in the realroadracing family. Thoughts are for his family and friends.

marlin vs

The picture only show's the area where it happened, there is nothing graphic in it.
My prayers for him and his family.R.I.P.

Bang Bang

paddy147 wrote: »

To keep bangbang happy,the pic has been removed,even though it showed nothing of offense.

Regards.

The photo you posted was taken prior to the arrival of two Garda cars.
This proves that not everyone involved had been removed from the scene of this tragic accident (read between the lines).
That's were the photo can be found to be offensive.
So it's not about keeping me happy paddy147, it's about not offending close friends and family of the deceased rider who know the full details of the accident and who may see the published photo.

Del2005

They've named him in the Sunday World. Don't see how family and friends could have been informed before it went to press. Another reason never to read it. RIP.

JAMIED10

very very sad news was only talking to him about 45 minutes before he went out on the track
r.i.p man
may you ride free above us

ToxicPaddy

I heard about the crash but only just found out now who it was. The chap was in the office doing some work for us last week for a few days and I was chatting to him about his racing etc.. lovely guy, good craic and really down to earth.

I'm completely in shock here..

RIP

KamiKazi

Anyone else hear the cvnts on Joe Duffy crying for road racing to be banned?

Wish they'd all fúck off and die.

jimmyendless

Im surprised its still going really, it being so dangerous. Not that surprising that people want it stopped if lads keep getting killed each year. Is there many other officially organised sports in the first world with the same number of fatalities? Most of the time I suppose the only person at risk is the rider and he accepts that risk. Since he can only do himself harm it should be his choice. The worst part is children losing their father and the wife losing her husband. How can you justify the risks of road racing if you have young children?

Its very sad for his family. RIP

galwaytt

jimmyendless wrote: »

Im surprised its still going really, it being so dangerous. Not that surprising that people want it stopped if lads keep getting killed each year. Is there many other officially organised sports in the first world with the same number of fatalities? Most of the time I suppose the only person at risk is the rider and he accepts that risk. Since he can only do himself harm it should be his choice. The worst part is children losing their father and the wife losing her husband. How can you justify the risks of road racing if you have young children?

Its very sad for his family. RIP

I don't know, but are you a motorcyclist ? I'm inclined to think you're not, but I stand to be corrected on that.....

With regard to your specific question, the answer is yes : http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/Risk/sports.html

In my own experience, Equestrian is particuarly dangerous.

RosieJoe

jimmyendless wrote: »

Im surprised its still going really, it being so dangerous. Not that surprising that people want it stopped if lads keep getting killed each year. Is there many other officially organised sports in the first world with the same number of fatalities? Most of the time I suppose the only person at risk is the rider and he accepts that risk. Since he can only do himself harm it should be his choice. The worst part is children losing their father and the wife losing her husband. How can you justify the risks of road racing if you have young children?

Its very sad for his family. RIP

You could say the same every time you go out your front door and get into your car or get on your bike! Risks are no where near the same but accidents do happen and people do die on our roads each year!

Pat Dunne

I am saddened to hear what happened at Skerries on Saturday, my thoughts and prayers are with the deceased rider, his family and the injured spectator.

I myself was involved in an accident in Skerries back in the 1980's when acting as a Flag Marshall, a rider lost control and his bike hit me. The rider involved was very badly injured and the accident drastically altered his life as a result of his injuries. I wasn't to badly hurt however, a few cuts and stitches. However if I had been standing where the Chief Marshall had instructed me to stand I know that I would not be writing this post.

Since then I have not gone to a Road Race as I consider them excessively dangerous. It is not the rider getting killed or badly injured that will eventually get road racing stopped. It will be as a result of spectators been killed and injured that will eventually stop local authorities from granting road closure orders to organising clubs.

Bang Bang

jimmyendless wrote: »

Im surprised its still going really, it being so dangerous. Not that surprising that people want it stopped if lads keep getting killed each year. Is there many other officially organised sports in the first world with the same number of fatalities? Most of the time I suppose the only person at risk is the rider and he accepts that risk. Since he can only do himself harm it should be his choice. The worst part is children losing their father and the wife losing her husband. How can you justify the risks of road racing if you have young children?

Its very sad for his family. RIP

There are a lot more deaths in this country in equestrian sports than motorsports.
A number of participants in field sports die each year as a result of heads clashing in close contact sports.
The list goes on.
Should we ban all those sports too?

Nodster

Pat - I'm sorry that you were involved in an incident at the Skerries. I've missed just one Skerries since 1980 and have followed the 'roads' since.
Could I just say that crowd safety issues have vastly improved over the years and the Travelling Medical Paramedics and Marshals in my opinion rank at the highest level of experience throughout the World of all Motorsport. Everyone is extremly saddened eachtime someone is injured or loses their life.

Nod - biker and member of the 2 Stroke Racing Supporters Club

Pat Dunne

My point of view is that the sport will continue no matter what the rider fatalities are. However the Local Authiorities will stop granting road closure orders when there is an incident involving multiple spectator injuries / fatalities.

Nodster

from the loughshinny site home page

http://www.loughshinnymotorcycleclub.com/

jimmyendless

galwaytt wrote: »

I don't know, but are you a motorcyclist ? I'm inclined to think you're not, but I stand to be corrected on that.....

With regard to your specific question, the answer is yes : http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/Risk/sports.html

In my own experience, Equestrian is particuarly dangerous.

I am a motorcyclist but what has that got to do with it? I enjoy watching roadracing but I can still try to be impartial about it.

Road racing isn't on that list and if you compare the amount of participation is both sports and compare fatalities I'd guess road racing would be worse but I don't follow horse riding sports and therefore wouldn't hear about the related accidents. All events have a risk but how great a risk is acceptable or not is the question?

paddy147

Bang Bang wrote: »

There are a lot more deaths in this country in equestrian sports than motorsports.
A number of participants in field sports die each year as a result of heads clashing in close contact sports.
The list goes on.
Should we ban all those sports too?

I actually fully agree with what you are saying,as I am having this exact same arguement with someone else on another forum.

Theres was a sad and unfortunate death of a co driver in the Donegal International Rally back there a few weekends ago.

I dont hear people ringing up and in newspapers calling for rallying to be banned in Ireland as a result of that tragic death.

Any time there is a bad accident or sadly a fatality that involves road racing,all we get is ban it ban it ban it.


Maybe then we should ban all forms of motorsports that use public roads,so that would mean rallying,hill climbs,rally sprints,bike road racing etc.

I DONT THINK SO.

I actually spoke to a doctor up in Beaumont hospital this morning about the Skerries 100.I was up in the fracture clinic having a review on an old injury of mine.

I listened to him rabbiting on and on to the secretary about how bad and dangerous road racing was,and that anyone who did it was off their heads and that must want to die if they do this.

He had read in the paper that the rider was tragicly killed up in Skerries last weekend,so of course he knows it all,as he has read it in a paper and that he is also a doctor.So hes an expert and knows it all then,or so he thinks.


Little did he know that I heard every word of what he said,so I approached him and asked him a few questions about what he knew about road racing.


He tried to claim this that and the other and say that road racing was not organised propperly,that there was telephone poles and kerbs in the way.

I said to him....well thats why its called ROAD RACING,as its on a public road,and that every safety precaution is taken and the organisers do safety auditrs and reports and also do as much as they can do to make it safe and fun for all involved.

I also asked him to rethink his comments about calling road racers off their heads and that they must want to die.

He asked me what would I know about racing.

My reply was "well doctor,Im a very enthusiastic road race supporter,I go to most road races with my girlfriend,I ride a Duacti 996 and have ben an experienced biker for the last 16 years,Ive met many a road racer and had the privilage to meet and chat to many great legends and greats and also help out at Skerries several years back.

So then doctor,what do you know about Irish Road Racing or the Skerries 100,please tell me????

Al I got was an excuse that he had to make a call as his beeper was going off,when it didnt even make a sound,and he quickly made his escape into a consultation room.

He knew NOTHING.


What a complete and utter ignorant,stupid dumb TW^T.