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when did common last play Dublin?
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03-07-2010 9:14am#1
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Digable Planets and Talib played, it's so unfortunate but the hip-hop scene in Dublin is small. Very excited for Nas, this was a good Common track. Wouldn't mind seeing him again, very entertaining....
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The main reason why they dont come here is that they dont make any money. Most of thier earnings from tour are made on merchandise and on the door. But most of the cash from the door goes to the venue and the promoters which leaves very little for the artist. So they rely on merch sales. If you go to a gig anywhere outside of Ireland, the merch stands are quite big and packed. Here they are given a tiny table (mostly) in a dingy corner and they have little activity.
Hmmmm, see that's the opposite to what I'm thinking. I remember when CunninLynguists did their European tour in 2008 they only played in Germany, Switzerland & Scandinavia which really surprised me. I thought why didn't they play in the likes of the UK or France where the hip-hop scene is massive? The only answer I came up with was money. They can charge 2 or 3 times the ticket prices in more expensive countries and get away with it, so if they only sell 2,000 tickets in Stockholm then it would be like selling 4,000/6,000 tickets in Manchester. That's why you rarely see an artist play in Eastern Europe outside of festivals, there is no really money to be made over there, period.
Btw I think you made that mechanising point solely with the Brother Ali gig in Crawdaddy in mind. I'll admit, the merchandise table at that was an embarrassment, they gave them a tiny table at the door and it was easy enough to miss if you were caught up in a crowd on the way out. But in saying that, they gave Aesop Rock a huge table (under the DJ box in the bar outside of Crawdaddy which was impossible to miss) when he played there a few years ago. Plus the merchandise was being snapped up fairly rapidly as far as I can recall, I even got myself a nice Def Jux t-shirt
I finally think as far as all the money from the door going mainly to the venue, I don't think that is necessary true. I think the venue take a smaller percentage of the overall ticket sales then the artist, and rightfully so, but make most of their money at the bar, ie: they usually clean up by charging around €6 for watered down pints in plastic cups.
Of course I am probably way off the mark here but that's what I always assumed.0 -
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Hmmmm, see that's the opposite to what I'm thinking. I remember when CunninLynguists did their European tour in 2008 they only played in Germany, Switzerland & Scandinavia which really surprised me. I thought why didn't they play in the likes of the UK or France where the hip-hop scene is massive? The only answer I came up with was money. They can charge 2 or 3 times the ticket prices in more expensive countries and get away with it, so if they only sell 2,000 tickets in Stockholm then it would be like selling 4,000/6,000 tickets in Manchester. That's why you rarely see an artist play in Eastern Europe outside of festivals, there is no really money to be made over there, period.
Btw I think you made that mechanising point solely with the Brother Ali gig in Crawdaddy in mind. I'll admit, the merchandise table at that was an embarrassment, they gave them a tiny table at the door and it was easy enough to miss if you were caught up in a crowd on the way out. But in saying that, they gave Aesop Rock a huge table (under the DJ box in the bar outside of Crawdaddy which was impossible to miss) when he played there a few years ago. Plus the merchandise was being snapped up fairly rapidly as far as I can recall, I even got myself a nice Def Jux t-shirt
I finally think as far as all the money from the door going mainly to the venue, I don't think that is necessary true. I think the venue take a smaller percentage of the overall ticket sales then the artist, and rightfully so, but make most of their money at the bar, ie: they usually clean up by charging around €6 for watered down pints in plastic cups.
Of course I am probably way off the mark here but that's what I always assumed.
I've read and heard from alot of artists that merch is where they make thier money on the road. Albiet they do make a small bit of change at the door, but its the promoter and venue that get the bulk of it as the artist does not decide on the entry price.
The hip hop scene is massive in Scandanavia and Eastern Europe, venues are normally packed, compared to here where they are never really sold out. The more people in the venue, the more merch buyers are there.
They make so little on the road now that alot of the middle men are being cut out and they are taking to the likes of facebook and twitter to look for venues and local promoters.
....and we are taking this way off topic, but i think that there is a huge difference between what established mainstream artists such as Common would get compared to indie artists would. The maintream cats probably dont have to worry about merch because they will be paid a set price for thier performance..
And back on topic, i'm pretty annoyed that i missed Common :mad:0 -
I've read and heard from alot of artists that merch is where they make thier money on the road. Albiet they do make a small bit of change at the door, but its the promoter and venue that get the bulk of it as the artist does not decide on the entry price.
The hip hop scene is massive in Scandanavia and Eastern Europe, venues are normally packed, compared to here where they are never really sold out. The more people in the venue, the more merch buyers are there.
They make so little on the road now that alot of the middle men are being cut out and they are taking to the likes of facebook and twitter to look for venues and local promoters.
....and we are taking this way off topic, but i think that there is a huge difference between what established mainstream artists such as Common would get compared to indie artists would. The maintream cats probably dont have to worry about merch because they will be paid a set price for thier performance..
Yeah we are going way off topic here and you have made a very fair point, but I still think there are alot more things to factor then just the sale of merchandise. For example, the biggest country in Eastern Europe is Poland where the average salary is around €300 per month (much less then even half of our dole). The chances of someone paying say €15 for a ticket for a gig then €2 a pop for beer are reassembly high but then the chances of them paying an extra €20 for a t-shirt after the show are quite low I would say (simply because they can't really afford it). In Ireland, we would pay twice the price for the concert or more (€40+ to see Nas & Jr. Gong including booking fee) then 3 times the price for beer and I'd say alot of people would still be prepared to buy a t-shirt at a reasonable price of €20 after the show (I saw that some Rhymesayers tees were €30 or more at the Brother Ali gig). So there is definitely alot more money to be made here for the artist, promoter and venue IMO.
On a last note, I'd say the hip-hop scene is just as big here as the likes of Scandinavia or Eastern Europe (where metal and electronic have much bigger followings) but we are all totally eclipsed by the UK and France, but that's mainly due to the larger black communities in those counties.
Sorry again for going off topic, I must have a bee in my bonnet today, but that's the last I'll say on that subject I promise
And back on topic, i'm pretty annoyed that i missed Common :mad:
I missed Common when he played the Phoenix Park too.............but I heard it was full of screaming 16 year old Kayne West fans and the marquee tent was suppose to be windy as f**k. Didn't sound like it was worth the €60 ticket price TBH.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E938zzbYvfo
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