Advice on changing course...arts > business&management

K4t

Hi, I've just completed first year arts (English, economics and law) and at the moment I'd be doing my degree in English and economics. However, I'm seriously thinking of changing courses from arts to Business&Management as I feel it would give me greater career prospects and it seems a better course with better masters options.

I'm just looking for some advice on the matter. For example, what kind of fees will I have to pay, do I still get free fees? I don't know where to start really. Who do I contact about this etc.?? I should point out that I passed all my exams this year if this has any bearing on the procedure, and that I had more than enough points in the leaving cert for both courses in 2009.

Also, is anyone here doing the Business&Management course or have you done it, and what is it like? Quality of lecturers/modules etc.?

Thanks very much, any advice appreciated.:)

BarryDoodles

Contact Rose in the academic advisory, she was a great help when I was thinking of switching from Law and Economics to Law and Business.

If you want to do a first year again but study a different course you are not eligable for free fees.

You could, as you've covered some of the B&M modules through economics, switch by becoming an external student. This would be cheaper but i'm not 100% on the details, again Rose is epic.

As for B&M (or BAM as some of the students call it), I hear positive things about the course. Its a very tight click which i suspect is a result of all the group work.

In my opinion its not a difficult course.
The people I know who do it play a little fast and loose with lecture attendance and score very highly in exams. An example of this is a Law and Business friend of mine, he did not go to any lectures this year, Failed Law but got a first in Business.

K4t

BarryDoodles wrote: »

Contact Rose in the academic advisory, she was a great help when I was thinking of switching from Law and Economics to Law and Business.

If you want to do a first year again but study a different course you are not eligable for free fees.

You could, as you've covered some of the B&M modules through economics, switch by becoming an external student. This would be cheaper but i'm not 100% on the details, again Rose is epic.

As for B&M (or BAM as some of the students call it), I hear positive things about the course. Its a very tight click which i suspect is a result of all the group work.

In my opinion its not a difficult course.
The people I know who do it play a little fast and loose with lecture attendance and score very highly in exams. An example of this is a Law and Business friend of mine, he did not go to any lectures this year, Failed Law but got a first in Business.

I emailed a woman in the fees and grants office? I'll email Rose too then.
Damn, a friend said it was free to change cours ein the same college as long as you passed all your exams. This could be a no-go so:(

What would switching to an external student mean?

Thanks for the info on the course. I did law through arts this year and went to few if any lectures and got well over 50 in all the modules so it should be alright so. Thanks for the help.

BarryDoodles

Your second semester exams in Law were quite difficult this year. Hard luck on not getting through to second year law.

If you want to persue a career in law you still can. It just means after you graduate you have to do the Kings Inns dip before doing the entrance exams.

I've read some lit on Business degrees and in the real world they dont seem to carry much weight.

I feel economics is very beneficial and the module selection in 2nd and 3rd is varied and interesting in compaison to first year.

Again Rose will be great for telling you the actual details of switching courses.

P.S sorry the facebook page made you "cringe" btw

K4t

BarryDoodles wrote: »

Your second semester exams in Law were quite difficult this year. Hard luck on not getting through to second year law.

If you want to persue a career in law you still can. It just means after you graduate you have to do the Kings Inns dip before doing the entrance exams.

I've read some lit on Business degrees and in the real world they dont seem to carry much weight.

I feel economics is very beneficial and the module selection in 2nd and 3rd is varied and interesting in compaison to first year.

Again Rose will be great for telling you the actual details of switching courses.

P.S sorry the facebook page made you "cringe" btw

I idn't attend second semester law at all. Passed the three modules though. It was only contract I ever found tough really (I suppose I was cramming entire modules into two days though). I don't want to do law at all. Knew that after first semester.

I do like economics, a very interesting subject hence why I chose it, but I just feel a Business degree would suit me more as I know I don't have the mathematical ability to go past a certain level in economics (i.e. postgrad) or achieve a first class degree. I probably do in English but just don't have the motivation to do so and would rather do a Business degree and then a masters in Business.

I emailed the academic advisory service there.

p.s. Haha I thought you were being serious. I joined the group.;)

BarryDoodles

K4t wrote: »

p.s. Haha I thought you were being serious. I joined the group.;)

I figured out who you are now

Poor Conor Curly just posted on the group, he doesn't seem to grasp the parody of commitee culture and systemic failures within the student union that the page represents He's a BAM student.

Glad I could be of service though, John.

K4t

BarryDoodles wrote: »

I figured out who you are now

Poor Conor Curly just posted on the group, he doesn't seem to grasp the parody of commitee culture and systemic failures within the student union that the page represents He's a BAM student.

Glad I could be of service though, John.

Really?!

Ya poor fella, it is slightly confusing at first. You should really enlighten him to save his embarassment!

BarryDoodles

K4t wrote: »

Really?!

Ya poor fella, it is slightly confusing at first. You should really enlighten him to save his embarassment!

I just said i'd be happy to address his concerns at the demonstration outlined. A demonstration that will highlight of our concerns and possible lack of confidence. Tea and Cake shall be provided.

For anyone wondering what page I am referencing its http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=131342746899508&v=wall&story_fbid=131592756874507#!/group.php?gid=131342746899508&v=wall

I totally stole this thread

yoursaviour1989

Hey man, I doin Business & Management, I'll admit that it's quite easy. If you have half a brain you should coast throught first and second year. The hardest part of the course is Economics. Like BarryDoodles said, there is a lot of group work which can be both a blessing and a curse. My adviceon that would be don't team up with your friends just coz they're your friends, many of them may be absolutley useless at doing their fair share of the work load.
Most of the modules you cover are interesting, however some of the non-examinable ones such as Critical Writing Skills???? and Career Development (there is more benefit in LCVP pr LInk MOdules or whatever it's called), leave a lot to be desired. 99% of the lecturers are bang on, especially Graham Heaslip. Some can be knobs but sure ya have that in every walk of life.

K4t

yoursaviour1989 wrote: »

Hey man, I doin Business & Management, I'll admit that it's quite easy. If you have half a brain you should coast throught first and second year. The hardest part of the course is Economics. Like BarryDoodles said, there is a lot of group work which can be both a blessing and a curse. My adviceon that would be don't team up with your friends just coz they're your friends, many of them may be absolutley useless at doing their fair share of the work load.
Most of the modules you cover are interesting, however some of the non-examinable ones such as Critical Writing Skills???? and Career Development (there is more benefit in LCVP pr LInk MOdules or whatever it's called), leave a lot to be desired. 99% of the lecturers are bang on, especially Graham Heaslip. Some can be knobs but sure ya have that in every walk of life.

Hi, thanks for reply. Yeah I did economics through arts in first year this year and passed all my exams without putting in much work at all to be honest so and I do like economcis so that should be grand.
Group work, have you had good experiences with this? Have your partners always pulled their share and contributed etc.?

Also, what is the story with the paid work experience in 3rd year? (is it still on offer even with the recession?) and do you know if the masters options after this degree are of good quality?

Thanks.

yoursaviour1989

K4t wrote: »

Hi, thanks for reply. Yeah I did economics through arts in first year this year and passed all my exams without putting in much work at all to be honest so and I do like economcis so that should be grand.
Group work, have you had good experiences with this? Have your partners always pulled their share and contributed etc.?

Also, what is the story with the paid work experience in 3rd year? (is it still on offer even with the recession?) and do you know if the masters options after this degree are of good quality?

Thanks.

I'm only going into third year now. The work experience option was there but I chose to skip it because it was hard find a paid placement. Don't know a huge amount of people doing it, there were plenty of positions but most of them were unpaid or required fluent French or you already had to have a qualification so that ruled me out.

The group work can be brilliant if you work properly. Like I said, in any walk of life you'll meet your share of knobs but you'll learn to weed these out after a couple of assignments and aoid them. I walked away from a group including all my friends because they invited a guy who i knew wasn't gonna pull his weight, he didn't, I ended up with a better mark than them. But I find the group work of huge benefit because you get to see how other students operate plus if you work in a business the likelyhood is that you will be working in a team.

As for the masters, I haven't really looked at that, I'm going to chat a few of the course co-ordinators in September and see what's on offer.

BarryDoodles

Critisms of the MBA programs http://www.independent.co.uk/student/postgraduate/mbas-guide/to-mba-or-not-to-mba-two-leading-lights-with-opposing-views-on-whether-an-mba-really-matters-510777.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4070/is_227/ai_n21067809/

What do you hope to do after you grad?

~Candy~

i finally figured out who you are too ..lol:O

erm, i can't advice on the changing course part,
but just finished first year business, and its very easy
the workload can not even compared to law or economics ..
eco took up most the time i think, not to say it's hard, but you actually need to know some of the stuff..or esle you fail (like inter-micro)
( barry doesnt count, he passes everything anyway )
and law is he** alot of reading
but for business ...there is alot of common sense .....


if i were you though,however, i would stick with economics and english, or just economics if you can?? i mean you like it anyway? if you ever want to do a business course later on in life, it would be easier ..but study economics later on in life ..would prob take more time..:o ? i just think you can always do a business course after your degree to give you even more opps/// thats just me

most business people didn't came from a business degree anyway

BarryDoodles

Jez Candy your on Boards too??
Whats with us Law students and badly disguised names
I do better than pass things :P

Single Honors economics would be cool. A little difficult with econometrics and micro etc but the modules are diverse and you'd come out with a c.v that would blow away an Business grad.

**Begins to wonder what happens business grads after they graduate**

~Candy~

yea Barry *tut *tut* , I knew it was you the min i saw your user-name...hmm..i suppose mine is even more of a giveaway and i think we have established that ages ago you are a part-time genius

yea and i have to say, i always wanted to do business in college,
like i absolutely adored LC business ..like i still do, but i honestly think i enjoyed economics and law more this year...as bad as it may sound..

i personally choose to do law and business because think it's better to do a diversify course , just to give yourself more opinions .. that's just my personal opinion, that said ..but in the end of the day college qualification is not gonna be the only thing that matters:D

BarryDoodles

~Candy~ wrote: »

i personally choose to do law and business because think it's better

In my opinion Law and Economics is the better course. In the experts opionion it is too *points above*
Business has *shudder* group work *shudder*

K4t

Thanks for the advice guys. Sticking with English and economics and will hopefully to a TEFL course after college and travel abroad to teach those foreigners. They took our jebs!

BarryDoodles

K4t wrote: »

travel abroad to teach those foreigners. They took our jebs!

Please don't teach them english.. They'll only end up taking more of our jobs and staying here.. please think of the children!!

manic mailman

BarryDoodles wrote: »

Contact Rose in the academic advisory, she was a great help when I was thinking of switching from Law and Economics to Law and Business.

If you want to do a first year again but study a different course you are not eligable for free fees.

You could, as you've covered some of the B&M modules through economics, switch by becoming an external student. This would be cheaper but i'm not 100% on the details, again Rose is epic.

As for B&M (or BAM as some of the students call it), I hear positive things about the course. Its a very tight click which i suspect is a result of all the group work.

In my opinion its not a difficult course.
The people I know who do it play a little fast and loose with lecture attendance and score very highly in exams. An example of this is a Law and Business friend of mine, he did not go to any lectures this year, Failed Law but got a first in Business.

B&M isn't hard I'll agree with that, but your post makes it seem like it's simple to do well in, which isn't the case. To sum up, it's easy to pass, hard to get a 1-1.