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Diesel mileage advice.

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  • 01-07-2010 1:04am
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    OVERTONE69
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    Oh what to do.

    I'm looking at some used cars to replace my colt 99 with 120k on the clock. I've had it for 3 years and it's served me well.

    My reason for getting a new car is it's just too thirsty. So I was looking for something more fuel efficient and thought,hey why not a diesel.

    From what I understand, diesels have serious lifespan over petrols. But just how much I wonder.

    Eg I've 3 cars lined up at the moment.

    A citreon c3 with 95000 miles
    A peugot 206 with 110000 miles
    And a focus 160000 miles

    Their all aroung 4 grand each. But I'm really trying to figure out just how reliable they really are.

    I know ****e all about cars to be honest and less about diesels. So can anyone give me some advice for these. What to look for, how to tell if it's gonna die on me soon.


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    or for example. What would diesel miles be equivalent to in petrol mileage.
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    OVERTONE69 wrote: »

    Eg I've 3 cars lined up at the moment.

    A citreon c3 with 95
    A peugot 206 with 110
    And a focus 160.

    Their all aroung 4 grand each. But I'm really trying to figure out just how reliable they really are.

    I know ****e all about cars to be honest and less about diesels................. What would diesel miles be equivalent to in petrol mileage.




    ?????????

    with 95 ? is that the mileage or the brake horse power ?? Presuming your Colt was as reliable and cheap to maintain as it should have been you may be dissapointed with a modern diesel. What mileage do you do per week ?

    And a mile is a mile regardless of the car being petrol or diesel.


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    OVERTONE69
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    RoverJames wrote: »
    ?????????

    with 95 ? is that the mileage or the brake horse power ?? Presuming your Colt was as reliable and cheap to maintain as it should have been you may be dissapointed with a modern diesel. What mileage do you do per week ?

    And a mile is a mile regardless of the car being petrol or diesel.

    the colt wasnt cheap to maintain at all. i was getting about 32 mpg.

    sorry about the confusion from mileage or horsepower. i thought it was obvious from the question. i meant they have that amount of miles.


    ill be doing about 300 miles a week, and im aware a mile is always a mile. thats not what i was trying to ask.

    what i meant was in terms of wear and tear, how long will a diesel engine live compared to a petrol.


    example: the wear on tear on a diesel engine at 90000 miles would be the same as a petrol engine at 60000 miles. if you get me?

    i want to get a diesel car but they all have higher mileage than petrols, so im trying to figure out what goof mileage figures are for diesels.


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    EPM
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    Mileage is not the only indicator of wear and tear. The engine might run away but the rest of the car can fail with more age and mileage.

    What you need is a FSH first of all - that should mean engine will have been looked after - diesels need regular oil changes.

    Then if the mileage is high try and find one that has had suspension consumables replaced otherwise you will have bills...


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    OVERTONE69 wrote: »
    the colt wasnt cheap to maintain at all. i was getting about 32 mpg.

    What maintenance costs did you experience aside from routine servicing ?


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    OVERTONE69
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    RoverJames wrote: »
    What maintenance costs did you experience aside from routine servicing ?



    had to get a new manifold because the old one was cracked. and exhaust fumes were coming in through the vents and air con.

    other than that, regular servicing and thats it.

    why is this important though?
    EPM wrote: »
    Mileage is not the only indicator of wear and tear. The engine might run away but the rest of the car can fail with more age and mileage.

    What you need is a FSH first of all - that should mean engine will have been looked after - diesels need regular oil changes.

    Then if the mileage is high try and find one that has had suspension consumables replaced otherwise you will have bills...

    my cousins a mechanic and hes gonna go with me to check it out. he'll know exactly what wear and tear to look for in a diesel.

    but i cant reach him for another two weeks, thats why im asking about the longevity of diesels. so i know what to shop for now.

    full service history would make sense i suppose.


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    EPM
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    There's no set in stone rule. You can kill an engine in 20k miles if you dont look after it. Another one treated the same could go 200k. Judge each car on it's merits really


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    dr.fuzzenstein
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    Also important: Has the car been driven on a daily commute on a motorway or has it been beaned around potholed backroads by a boyracer?
    The first one can have 120k miles on it and be perfect, the latter 80k miles and be a wreck fit only for the crusher.
    Thank God service history is slowly starting to become important here, goes without saying no history, no NCT, no sale.


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    OVERTONE69
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    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Also important: Has the car been driven on a daily commute on a motorway or has it been beaned around potholed backroads by a boyracer?
    The first one can have 120k miles on it and be perfect, the latter 80k miles and be a wreck fit only for the crusher.
    Thank God service history is slowly starting to become important here, goes without saying no history, no NCT, no sale.

    good point. never thopught about it like that. without service history ill just turn it staright down.

    but without nct? could it not just be a point of someone whou couldnt be bothered getting it done?

    i know a fair amount of people that sell their cars before it comes up, just because they dont want to.


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    dr.fuzzenstein
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    OVERTONE69 wrote: »
    good point. never thopught about it like that. without service history ill just turn it staright down.

    but without nct? could it not just be a point of someone whou couldnt be bothered getting it done?

    i know a fair amount of people that sell their cars before it comes up, just because they dont want to.

    I'd be flexible on service histroy, but NCT is a must.
    Most dealers will do NCT, if they don't be wary.
    It's not that it's a lemon, but all you need is 2-3 things wrong with an otherwise good car and you'll staring at the guts of a couple of grand to fix it.
    When herself did the NCT last we found out that due to a fault with the ignition the CAT had burnt through.
    So needed a new ignition pack and a CAT, get this done at a garage and you'll be looking at over a grand to set it right.
    Only because I was able to buy the parts cheaply online and fit them myself (fitting the new CAT was a BITCH without a lift) I was able to save a small fortune, but still cost a few hundred.
    ALWAYS get NCT unless you're absolutely sure and have an expert second opinion. And even then be wary.


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    galwaytt
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    Diesels will cost more to service, more often. If they fubar, they cost a lot more to fix.

    Petrol cars inherently simpler, and with age, more reliable.

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    OVERTONE69
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    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    I'd be flexible on service histroy, but NCT is a must.
    Most dealers will do NCT, if they don't be wary.
    It's not that it's a lemon, but all you need is 2-3 things wrong with an otherwise good car and you'll staring at the guts of a couple of grand to fix it.
    When herself did the NCT last we found out that due to a fault with the ignition the CAT had burnt through.
    So needed a new ignition pack and a CAT, get this done at a garage and you'll be looking at over a grand to set it right.
    Only because I was able to buy the parts cheaply online and fit them myself (fitting the new CAT was a BITCH without a lift) I was able to save a small fortune, but still cost a few hundred.
    ALWAYS get NCT unless you're absolutely sure and have an expert second opinion. And even then be wary.

    so should i be looking ofr one that already has nct, or a car that will pass the next one?


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    OVERTONE69 wrote: »
    had to get a new manifold because the old one was cracked. and exhaust fumes were coming in through the vents and air con.

    other than that, regular servicing and thats it.

    why is this important though?



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    I initially commented that a diesel may cost more than the colt to maintain, I would consider a colt cheap to maintain as they don't give trouble, you then said it was not cheap to maintain, you then said nothing went wrong with it really.

    Can I have a wtf :confused: :P


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    OVERTONE69
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    RoverJames wrote: »
    I initially commented that a diesel may cost more than the colt to maintain, I would consider a colt cheap to maintain as they don't give trouble, you then said it was not cheap to maintain, you then said nothing went wrong with it really.

    Can I have a wtf :confused: :P

    no but u can have this.

    maintain to me meant how much fuel it used. not how it costs to serviced.


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    OVERTONE69 wrote: »
    no but u can have this.

    maintain to me meant how much fuel it used. not how it costs to serviced.

    You are the only person I have ever encountered who considers fuel costs as maintenance. I may add as well as being disappointed with a diesels MAINTENANCE costs you may also be a tad dissapointed with the minimal savings in RUNNING costs compared to the Colt.


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    OVERTONE69
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    RoverJames wrote: »
    You are the only person I have ever encountered who considers fuel costs as maintenance. I may add as well as being disappointed with a diesels MAINTENANCE costs you may also be a tad dissapointed with the minimal savings in RUNNING costs compared to the Colt.

    i did say i wasnt familiar with cars that much.

    well from most reviews at carsurvey.com

    i know my colt gets about 200 miles to a tank.

    the peugot 206 1.4hdi gets about 500 so im happy with that.

    sorry, i seem to have upset you with my terminology of cars.

    maintenance was cheap then. but ive only had it 12000 miles. where it has a total mileage of 120000.

    and running costs are about 35 euro a week.


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