Do not beckons other- grade 2

richard2010

Folks,

Had my third driving test this morning and the smell of failure is depressing. Got a grade 2 under the title "Do not beckon other" can someone explain to me what that is cause I am not 100% sure.

Ta!

Oh_Noes

When you're letting people out or people cross the road, don't wave your hand at them to signal that they should come/go.

Silly really, because it's an important part of communicating with other road users. Chin up, you'll pass the fourth time

Permabear

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cosmic

Someone let me pull out the other day and I put my hand up to my rear view mirror to say thanks. My instructor told me not to do this in a test. I thought it odd because I considered it courteous. Is this correct? Not to say thanks?

Max Power1

cosmic wrote: »

Someone let me pull out the other day and I put my hand up to my rear view mirror to say thanks. My instructor told me not to do this in a test. I thought it odd because I considered it courteous. Is this correct? Not to say thanks?

In the course of daily driving, of course we thank others for letting us out etc. On the test however I would refrain from doing it as you stand to gain nothing, and there is a large chance the tester could construe it as gesturing to others. Why risk getting a grade two for no reason- that'd be my outlook anyway!

richard2010

donegalfella wrote: »

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Ok I know exactly where it happened, there was a truck parked on the opposite side of the road of to me, I beckoned the other car to come forward as they were moving out, I didnt see any problem as I had come to stop and there was cars stopped behind me also.

I did this because I felt if I didnt I would be marked for not reacting to a hazard (ie the parked truck and the fact that the car had already moved outwards. What frustrates me is that I along with most other drivers would beckon people to come forward as you'd hope some one would do it to you on the road.

Having completed three tests there is a lot of grey areas when it comes to the marking of the test and what mood the tester is in ( I have to say though the female tester I had was lovely had a bit of a chat in the office and then on the way back into the office after the test as well)

Next time hopefully I'll pass it but at the moment I am seriously not in the humour to fork out another €75 yo-yos for some person to tell me I can drive safely.:(

BTW Whats the best to get a cancellation in the next 3weeks as I really want to do it before I go on holidays for a month, ring them up and explain the situation or email them? Any help in that regard would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Del2005

If you call someone out and they crash into something you are partially responsible and can be claimed against. You should never call someone out, not only on the test. You can stop and make eye contact with the other driver so they know they can novd.

Wishbone Ash

richard2010 wrote: »

Ok I know exactly where it happened, there was a truck parked on the opposite side of the road of to me, I beckoned the other car to come forward as they were moving out, I didnt see any problem as I had come to stop and there was cars stopped behind me also

The problem is that you may not have checked fully to see if it was safe. Drivers beckon others all the time but they shouldn't. It's very bad practice. A typical example is those who see a parent with buggy attempting to cross a street. They slow down/stop and beckon the pedestrian to cross. The pedestrian then, busy 'thanking' the driver, walks straight into the path of a motorcycle who has overtaken the car assuming it has slowed down to park.

I never beckon others but if I'm in a situation I simply wait and let the other driver make up their mind.

Turpentine

richard2010 wrote: »

Ok I know exactly where it happened, there was a truck parked on the opposite side of the road of to me, I beckoned the other car to come forward as they were moving out, I didnt see any problem as I had come to stop and there was cars stopped behind me also.

I did this because I felt if I didnt I would be marked for not reacting to a hazard (ie the parked truck and the fact that the car had already moved outwards. What frustrates me is that I along with most other drivers would beckon people to come forward as you'd hope some one would do it to you on the road.

Having completed three tests there is a lot of grey areas when it comes to the marking of the test and what mood the tester is in ( I have to say though the female tester I had was lovely had a bit of a chat in the office and then on the way back into the office after the test as well)

Next time hopefully I'll pass it but at the moment I am seriously not in the humour to fork out another €75 yo-yos for some person to tell me I can drive safely.:(



Thanks,

If the obstruction is on the other side of the road, then the car coming the other way is supposed to yield to you as you have right of way. You should have proceeded as your side of the road was clear.

As other posters have said, you shouldn't beckon another driver, especially not in your driving test.

cosmic

Max Power1 wrote: »

In the course of daily driving, of course we thank others for letting us out etc. On the test however I would refrain from doing it as you stand to gain nothing, and there is a large chance the tester could construe it as gesturing to others. Why risk getting a grade two for no reason- that'd be my outlook anyway!

Thanks Max!

Or not...!

daveharnett

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The problem is that you may not have checked fully to see if it was safe. Drivers beckon others all the time but they shouldn't. It's very bad practice. A typical example is those who see a parent with buggy attempting to cross a street. They slow down/stop and beckon the pedestrian to cross. The pedestrian then, busy 'thanking' the driver, walks straight into the path of a motorcycle who has overtaken the car assuming it has slowed down to park.

I absolutely take your point Ash - on the road it's usually best to assume that everybody else is a moron (you'll usually be right ).

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I never beckon others but if I'm in a situation I simply wait and let the other driver make up their mind.

I think 'never' is a too strong though. Communicating with other road users is an important part of driving, and sometimes gestures can be the clearest way of getting a message across. Rather than 'never do x', I would emphasize thinking about how and what you communicate.

I'm not a fan of beckoning either btw - it's too instructive. I would suggest a palm-up "over to you" gesture instead, where appropriate.

del2005 wrote:

If you call someone out and they crash into something you are partially responsible and can be claimed against.

I'd need to see some evidence for this before I believe it tbh. If somebody gestured at you to drive into the liffey, do you think you could sue them for water damage?

Alanstrainor

I have had some very close calls with people beckoning other cars and pedestrians while cycling. It's lethal, people assume that they have a right of way when they are given the go ahead by another driver. Obviously this is not true. And pedestrians are worse when crossing the road, if they are beckoned they assum everything on their right has stopped for them, as WA mentioned, motorbikes or cyclists could be overtaking.

Del2005

daveharnett wrote: »

I absolutely take your point Ash - on the road it's usually best to assume that everybody else is a moron (you'll usually be right ).


I think 'never' is a too strong though. Communicating with other road users is an important part of driving, and sometimes gestures can be the clearest way of getting a message across. Rather than 'never do x', I would emphasize thinking about how and what you communicate.

I'm not a fan of beckoning either btw - it's too instructive. I would suggest a palm-up "over to you" gesture instead, where appropriate.


I'd need to see some evidence for this before I believe it tbh. If somebody gestured at you to drive into the liffey, do you think you could sue them for water damage?

Any signal can be taken as beckoning someone. Just sit and wait a few moments for them to cop on. Can't provide links, but when my brother was T-boned off his bike the person who beckoned the car out of the side road was sued and found partially responsible.

danthefan

My instructor basically told me to just not make eye contact with any other drivers or pedestrians, and it stops a lot of these issues. If you have right of way, take it.

daveharnett

danthefan wrote: »

My instructor basically told me to just not make eye contact with any other drivers or pedestrians, and it stops a lot of these issues. If you have right of way, take it.

Good enough for starting off maybe, but I find that awfully simplistic. For one thing, what happens when neither party has a clear right of way?

Del2005

daveharnett wrote: »

Good enough for starting off maybe, but I find that awfully simplistic. For one thing, what happens when neither party has a clear right of way?

Someone always has right of way.

It may not make sense for that person to use their right of way thought, which is why you wait for the person who doesn't have the right of way to move.