What the worth you can get for speeding?

CaraFawn

Is there any certain speed after what it becomes criminal and you can get serious problems like in some countries, or is it a flat 80 quids and 2 points here for any speed over the limit (20 like 100 whatever).

Cheers

leahcim

If you were caught doing crazy speed the gardai would probably add a careless or dangerious driving charge to the speeding charge on the summons. It would be up to the judge to decide if guilty and what the punishment should be. I dont think they ever consider road traffic violations a criminal offence in Ireland.

Heroditas

Don't get caught going too fast in Kildare or the judge based in Naas (Judge Zaidan) will send you to jail!
He's very strict

KILDARE CONVICTIONS

godtabh

CaraFawn wrote: »

Is there any certain speed after what it becomes criminal and you can get serious problems like in some countries, or is it a flat 80 quids and 2 points here for any speed over the limit (20 like 100 whatever).

Cheers

What did you do?!!!!

ejmaztec

CaraFawn wrote: »

What the worth you can get for speeding

Thome poinths and an endorthment?

unkel

Depends

Several serving Gardai on here have said that if you are not driving dangerously, you'll only be done for speeding, if anything. €80 fixed fine and 2 penalty points. Even if you are driving at more than 300km/h. Makes sense.

Heroditas wrote: »

Don't get caught going too fast in Kildare or the judge based in Naas (Judge Zaidan) will send you to jail!

Aye the caveman himself. Previously based under a rock deep down Co. Donegal. How come this idiot was made a judge?

rabbitinlights

I thought if you were 40k over the speed limit it was an auto ban? ie: 160 in a 120 and you were off the road?

CiniO

rabbitinlights wrote: »

I thought if you were 40k over the speed limit it was an auto ban? ie: 160 in a 120 and you were off the road?

There isn't anything like this.
It's all up to gardai if to put case to the court for dangerous driving or careless driving or not.

In fact, there a huge difference between doing 40km/h above the limit on motorway (160km/h) and 40km/h above on narrow estate street near primary school where kids run around with limit to 30km/h (someone doing 70km/h).

In fact comparing to flying with 70km/h near children, 160km/h on motorway is not even a bit dangerous

KamiKazi

Heroditas wrote: »

Don't get caught going too fast in Kildare or the judge based in Naas (Judge Zaidan) will send you to jail!
He's very strict

KILDARE CONVICTIONS

That judge is a fvcking idiot.

guil

zaiden is a bit heavy handed with motoring offences but is he getting the message across, if ya come up infront of him, ur gonna be fcuked over big time

-Corkie-

Intresting thread. I passed an unmarked car on the M8 around urlingford on friday evening. He had the gun out the window. I had my cc set at 141km/h and he never followed me.

CaraFawn

CaraFawn wrote: »

Is there any certain speed after what it becomes criminal and you can get serious problems like in some countries, or is it a flat 80 quids and 2 points here for any speed over the limit (20 like 100 whatever).

Cheers

Hard to read that tbh

vectra

CaraFawn wrote: »

What the worth you can get for speeding?

Dead or seriously injured if you have an accident while speeding

rgunning

rabbitinlights wrote: »

I thought if you were 40k over the speed limit it was an auto ban? ie: 160 in a 120 and you were off the road?

Impossible, there is no speed limit on ein auto ban.

corktina

guil wrote: »

zaiden is a bit heavy handed with motoring offences but is he getting the message across, if ya come up infront of him, ur gonna be fcuked over big time

yes, we have a similar judge down here...it does make you think twice before trying to break the sound barrier on the M8....

CiniO

vectra wrote: »

Dead or seriously injured if you have an accident while speeding

The same can happen while you have an accident while not speeding.
Doesn't change anything.

Speed limits is one thing.
Keeping the safe speed is another thing.

Safe speed will depend on car, road surface, weather conditions, driver's experience, amount of traffic, etc...

Very often safe speed in particular situation might be much bigger than speed limit, and on other situation it can be way less then speed limit.

Bad things happen, when people exceed safe speed, not the speed limit.

The biggest problem for driver is to judge what is the safe speed at the particular moment i particular conditions.

That's was I read in book written by one of the best rally drivers in Europe during 60's. And he's really right.

KamiKazi

CiniO wrote: »

The same can happen while you have an accident while not speeding.
Doesn't change anything.

Speed limits is one thing.
Keeping the safe speed is another thing.

Safe speed will depend on car, road surface, weather conditions, driver's experience, amount of traffic, etc...

Very often safe speed in particular situation might be much bigger than speed limit, and on other situation it can be way less then speed limit.

Bad things happen, when people exceed safe speed, not the speed limit.

The biggest problem for driver is to judge what is the safe speed at the particular moment i particular conditions.

That's was I read in book written by one of the best rally drivers in Europe during 60's. And he's really right.

+1


"Sheep" is the most relevant term for people that blindly swear by the speed limits and think nothing bad will ever happen if you stay below them, should you break them though all hell will break loose!

Morons.

CiniO

KamiKazi wrote: »

+1


"Sheep" is the most relevant term for people that blindly swear by the speed limits and think nothing bad will ever happen if you stay below them, should you break them though all hell will break loose!

Morons.

That's so true.

I've heard many times from people who crashed: "I just completely don't know how it happend... I wasn't speeding"....

It's sounds like, they were really thinking, that keeping speed below speed limit is a recipe for avoiding accident.

SV

CiniO wrote: »

That's so true.

I've heard many times from people who crashed: "I just completely don't know how it happend... I wasn't speeding"....

It's sounds like, they were really thinking, that keeping speed below speed limit is a recipe for avoiding accident.

You can thank the RSA for that really!

Even their own statistics show speeding isn't the main cause but that's the only adverts they do.

djimi

To be fair to Zaidan, if youre caught doing 120mph+ then you deserve more than 2 points and an €80 fine. Three months is probably a bit much, but I doubt many, if any, who drive at that speed have the slightest clue what to do in a car if something goes wrong at that speed, and the thought of what could go wrong at that kind of speed is frightening beyond words.

Fighting Irish

rabbitinlights wrote: »

I thought if you were 40k over the speed limit it was an auto ban? ie: 160 in a 120 and you were off the road?

lol

Gran Hermano

A lisp?

SV

djimi wrote: »

To be fair to Zaidan, if youre caught doing 120mph+ then you deserve more than 2 points and an €80 fine. Three months is probably a bit much, but I doubt many, if any, who drive at that speed have the slightest clue what to do in a car if something goes wrong at that speed, and the thought of what could go wrong at that kind of speed is frightening beyond words.

Big time lol.

KamiKazi

djimi wrote: »

To be fair to Zaidan, if youre caught doing 120mph+ then you deserve more than 2 points and an €80 fine. Three months is probably a bit much, but I doubt many, if any, who drive at that speed have the slightest clue what to do in a car if something goes wrong at that speed, and the thought of what could go wrong at that kind of speed is frightening beyond words.

But they "know" what to do when something goes wrong at the 70mph limit?

They must have taken a different driving test than me, I know I never got the chance to go over 40kmph on my test.

djimi

KamiKazi wrote: »

But they "know" what to do when something goes wrong at the 70mph limit?

They must have taken a different driving test than me, I know I never got the chance to go over 40kmph on my test.

Theres a big difference between 70mph and 120mph tbf, especially if youre driving a standard car that is not really designed to drive at that speed.

Im saying it warrants jail time to be driving at that speed, but its a little different from being caught going a few mph over the limit, and in my opinion warrants a more severe punishment.

GTE

rarnes1 wrote: »

Hard to read that tbh

There could be any number of reasons for that. No need to bring it up.

L1011

djimi wrote: »

Theres a big difference between 70mph and 120mph tbf, especially if youre driving a standard car that is not really designed to drive at that speed.

The case in question had someone who wasn't driving a 'standard car', but then again, even some very bog-standard cars these days are capable of 120mph normal operation.

triple-M

my dad got caught speeding while he was out testing the new car this was during the 60km/h limit during the roadworks on the m50 it was quite late and the garda was hiding at the side of the road with his hairdryer and clocked him driving at 183km/h!!! he got summonsed to court almost lost his licence but judge let him away with 5 points and a 500 euro fine

Hooch

corktina wrote: »

yes, we have a similar judge down here...it does make you think twice before trying to break the sound barrier on the M8....

Aghhh.....Judge Patwell.....what a man....what a man!!!

triple-M wrote: »

my dad got caught speeding while he was out testing the new car this was during the 60km/h limit during the roadworks on the m50 it was quite late and the garda was hiding at the side of the road with his hairdryer and clocked him driving at 183km/h!!! he got summonsed to court almost lost his licence but judge let him away with 5 points and a 500 euro fine

Your dad was more than likely summons for dangerous driving and the judge decided to knock it back to Section 52 careless driving. 5 points + fine + endorsement.

keithclancy

My neighbour was stopped on the A2 from Amsterdam, copy pulled him over, he was doing just over 160 on the speed gun, cop said he'd do him for 158 (over 160 in Holland is a 6 month ban) 280 euro fine on the spot !

I got a ticket from ze germans for doing 142 in a 120, they have a graduated fine system so if your only a few kms over its a tenner but 22 over was 80 euros .. over that the fines go up to crazy money.

CarMuppet

Ok 'speed' doesn't kill , it’s the sudden stop blah blah blah etc etc... I know we're only playing with words here... but out on the public roads there are a heap of different type of cars, skill set of drivers, road conditions and other random events happening on any given stretch of road... the speed limits are guess-timate of what should be roughly safe for a given road..

This is extreme, but for example, driving an SLR versus an Aygo on the M7 at 6am on a summers morning with perfect visibility and no traffic are still two different experiences. Drive these two at 80mph and one car will feel like you're just ambling along, the other like it's going to shake apart... so we can’t have speed limits for particular makes of cars..

Again driver skill & ability comes to play.... on one is a 'perfect driver'... everyone is learning and improving.. Even a professional driver holding an 'Advance Driving license' undergo continuous assessment.. just 'casue you possess one this year, doesn't mean you'll still have it next year! So depending on driver skill should we have speed limits set? Impossible to police and monitor..
So the speed limits set in place, while may seem dumb on certain stretches of road, they are in place and they are the law, get caught you pay the price. End of.
Think of is this way, after reading this article as above would you do >100mph in Kildare now?
If anyone wants to speed for the sake of speeding may I suggest getting out to a track with formal training? Or do an advance driving course.. I guarantee after receiving training you will actually instinctually drive slower on public roads because you’ll learn to anticipating erratic driver behavior.
I own cars with a fair bit of grunt and I also drive (amateur) on tracks here and the UK but I have to say I do think the RSA are doing a great job in getting the number of roads deaths down.. I don’t know if that’s due to more survivable crashes because of improved car safety/manufacturing or if it’s Gay Burns’s management of the RSA... either way there are families out there this morning having breakfast with people they might not have had if the RSA did nothing... that’s got to be worth it right?
“speed does not kill” we all know that..it’s a cliché expression now... *yawn*... but if something does go wrong on a public road, or if someone makes a mistake, the greater the speed at the instance of the crash the bigger the clean-up operation.. anyone here seen a car-crash up close? It’s not good.



Finally, have to say that 2 litre Fiat coupe in the story is not really a performance car to be honest... I would not like to be trying to brake hard in one of those things with factory fitted brakes and tyres... :eek:

KamiKazi

CarMuppet wrote: »

the speed limits are guess-timate of what should be roughly safe for a given road..

No they aren't.

vectra

nice guy always wrote: »

Aghhh.....Judge Patwell.....what a man....what a man!!!

AKA. Judge "Padlocks"

L-M

I passed a speed check point heading to Dublin the other day(couldn't of been worse, I was the only car in the outside lane, everyone else was doing 120, and I was doing 135-140) and I wasn't pulled. Fairly shocked tbh.

Although I cry everytime I think about the time I did get points. I passed out a slow moving truck in a 60 zone (he was doing about 40kph and blowing out a woeful amount of smoke), half a mile up the road started a 100km zone, so I built up the speed to the 100, but weren't they waiting at the 100kph sign

Stark

vectra wrote: »

Dead or seriously injured if you have an accident while speeding

Like falling down the stairs. Stairs kill.

Zubeneschamali

Got pulled on the M4 last week, and the guard showed me the gun:172 kph.

He was a bit cross, and told me I was lucky not to get arrested for dangerous driving, but said I'd just be getting the fine and 2 points.

OldmanMondeo

This whole not exceeding the posted limit because it is unsafe to do so you should drive to the conditions etc, I try and keep within the speed limits, not because I am unable to drive a car at speed or feel nervous driving at speed, Like most drivers here, I would be fine driving at high speeds, fastest I drove was 125mph on the M4 heading to hospital.

The reason I don't exceed the limit is not to get points or pay €80 tot he goverment.

As for excessive speeding, maybe we should look at the system some other european countries are using, as the speed increases so does the fine.