At the end of three years......

BarryDoodles

So doing a little interning and getting my c.v done so i'm being 'forced' to look back on my years in NUIM...

Sentences such as ''through grounding in fundamental areas'' and '' Facility for arguing and reasoning" are thrown around...

Specifics such as Banking and Contract Law are listed...

But if a person bluffs their way through their years in maynooth and then reaches final year, cops on, does well in finals and gets a first; they actually walk out of college with a frst class NUIM degree with very little actual knowledge.

My generation is obsessed with grades rather than ''broading their educational horizons and mind"
With this in mind and increasing numbers of students walking out of grind schools and versed in taking exams but not learning one is forced to wonder...

Do people who work for one year deserve a good degree? Should our degrees be based on the grades fom all three years?

Arfan

Don't forget third year marks make up a percentage of your overall degree result.

To be honest I always did terribly in most exams and always felt hopelessly lost in most subjects. I came out of college sure I knew nothing about computer science. Yet, now, someone will bring up a topic and some part of my brain awakens and converses with them knowledgably about the subject only to vanish again once the conversation is over.

So as far as I'm concerned college is a type of hypno-indoctrination and the system works regardless of grades.

smiles302

I agree in bits, but I don't think it is a University thing. I believe the problem starts in primary school, where generally, there's always a "right" answer and a "wrong" answer, and the point of schooling becomes to write the right answers on homework and eventually exams.

The propose of schools simply isn't to encourage students to study what they find interesting in the hope they will find a career out of that somehow. It's a mass production of "right" answer sprouting drones.

Some people make it all the way through unharmed. Some people will always have a bit of trouble seeing the grey area of issues afterwards. Then some people come out of schools feeling stupid and worthless because they weren't able to accept all the "right answers" or they couldn't get their head around learning them off.
The whole system just seems silly to me.

In theory you should need everything you have learned throughout Uni to do well in your last year. If you make it through while only studying in your final year, that's the failing of the system, not the student, in my opinion and there's no reason for the student to be punished for that.

banquo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY

Long (20 minutes) but unbelievably good.

Ms. Koi

banquo wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY

Long (20 minutes) but unbelievably good.

I've heard an awful lot about this guy but I've never had the chance to watch it. Should really make time for that!!

funky penguin

banquo wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY

Long (20 minutes) but unbelievably good.

That man has an untapped career in stand up.

Excellent viewing.

Norrdeth

smiles302 wrote: »

I agree in bits, but I don't think it is a University thing. I believe the problem starts in primary school, where generally, there's always a "right" answer and a "wrong" answer, and the point of schooling becomes to write the right answers on homework and eventually exams.

The propose of schools simply isn't to encourage students to study what they find interesting in the hope they will find a career out of that somehow. It's a mass production of "right" answer sprouting drones.

Some people make it all the way through unharmed. Some people will always have a bit of trouble seeing the grey area of issues afterwards. Then some people come out of schools feeling stupid and worthless because they weren't able to accept all the "right answers" or they couldn't get their head around learning them off.
The whole system just seems silly to me.

In theory you should need everything you have learned throughout Uni to do well in your last year. If you make it through while only studying in your final year, that's the failing of the system, not the student, in my opinion and there's no reason for the student to be punished for that.

College for the most part is meant to guide you, by showing you and telling you different avenues of thought
that you would not have experienced previously, it's up to you then to look at these and find others along the same lines,
as a kind of personal growth. You have to search for the answers yourself and just learning for exams won't do this.
Some people are happy to completely rely on systematic approaches to life and learning, but others are not.
College can't teach you everything, life is infinitely more complicated then we think.
The world is not the sum of it's parts, everyday something new is created and old things are lost, it's the nature of life.
We have to hold on to the important things to us and discover the new things in our own time,
by following others until a certain point and then branching out from that.
Nobody is omnipotent.
College is the beginning, an open door to open thought.
You do the work, not the teachers.
Education is not a building or a person, it's a positive attitude of personal and social betterment.
That's what education is and should be, well in my opinion anyway.

BarryDoodles

Arfan wrote: »

Don't forget third year marks make up a percentage of your overall degree result.

So as far as I'm concerned college is a type of hypno-indoctrination and the system works regardless of grades.

I was told that your degree is marked on thiird year with the option to use second year as 30% of the results.

I agree with your hypno-indoctrination point though.

That Sir Ken Robinson video made for interesting viewing. Wish he was my lecturer.

ScissorPaperRock

BarryDoodles wrote: »

I was told that your degree is marked on thiird year with the option to use second year as 30% of the results.

Your grade from the penultimate year can count as 30% of your final degree if it would result in a higher grade.

BarryDoodles

So in a three year degree, second year could count for thirty percent. Otherwise

Arfan

ScissorPaperRoc put it more clearly. I forget that not all degrees are four years. More hypno-indoctrination probably.

mickstupp

ScissorPaperRoc wrote: »

Your grade from the penultimate year can count as 30% of your final degree if it would result in a higher grade.

Does this also count if you're applying for postgrad funding but don't get it with your third year marks? I mean, can your 2nd and 3rd year marks combined make you eligible for funding if you weren't eligible on just 3rd year marks?

Am I making any sense?

Would that extra mark be added automatically?

Too many questions in one post?