Uk vat to rise from 17.5% to 20% in January

kaisersose77

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/politics/10371590.stm


So another price increase from sky it seems. Hopefully Sky finally get some bad press over here for once due to the fact that all this money is going back to the uk and how we are already paying much more for sky sub's than people in the uk.


In case you dont know:
Sky mixes cost £1 in uk and €2 here
Sky HD sub costs £10 in uk and €15 here
Full sky package including HD costs £58.50 in uk and €88 here (according to xe.com, £58.50 is equal to €70.55 at the moment)


It's a joke to be honest

IrishHomer

kaisersose77 wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/politics/10371590.stm


So another price increase from sky it seems. Hopefully Sky finally get some bad press over here for once due to the fact that all this money is going back to the uk and how we are already paying much more for sky sub's than people in the uk.


In case you dont know:
Sky mixes cost £1 in uk and €2 here
Sky HD sub costs £10 in uk and €15 here
Full sky package including HD costs £58.50 in uk and €88 here (according to xe.com, £58.50 is equal to €70.55 at the moment)


It's a joke to be honest

I think it may have been discussed here before but people should start a big facebook campaign against Sky. Its like all the recession pricing as long as punters are paying up sky don't care. If we all stopped paying Sky next month they would then soon sit up and drop prices.

I left Sky last year because of prices too many people too soft and keep paying inflated prices.

Bluloa

Im over in the UK at the moment and watching the Freeview service.

Christ if we had this service I would cancel my SKY contract.

Just a few on the many channels free on Freeview,

Dave
Virgin 1
Sky News
BBC 1
BBC2
BBC3
BBC4
ITV 1
ITV2
ITV3
ITV4
Sky3

4
5
fiver

And so on.

We really are getting ripped off in Ireland.

channelsurfer2

prices are going UP on Sept 1st as well.... despite deflation here. probably going up to pay for the extra matches etc but still not justified paying 32 euro here for sky sports compared to 18pounds sterling.
i know a lot of people are now on the €10.50 2 pack offer that they give you for 6 months if you want to cancel due to recession etc....compare that to 24 euro normally for 2 packs and you see they still make a bucket load of money off those who wont/cant leave them..

muffinhead

Bluloa wrote: »

Im over in the UK at the moment and watching the Freeview service.

Christ if we had this service I would cancel my SKY contract.

You can get a FreeSat from Sky viewing card for a one off payment of £25 and get all these channels here (all of which you mentioned above except Dave & Virgin):

http://www.sky.com/shop/freesat/home/what-can-i-watch/

Some Boards.ie members were able to order a card and have it sent successfully to their ROI home address using a Northern Ireland postcode. Otherwise you could get it sent to a friend / relative in the UK and have them forward it to you. Depending on which postcode you have it sent to, that will be the default region for BBC and UTV/ITV channels. Just to add, you will have to call Sky to get the card activated.

slegs

Bluloa wrote: »

Im over in the UK at the moment and watching the Freeview service.

Christ if we had this service I would cancel my SKY contract.

Just a few on the many channels free on Freeview,

Dave
Virgin 1
Sky News
BBC 1
BBC2
BBC3
BBC4
ITV 1
ITV2
ITV3
ITV4
Sky3

4
5
fiver

And so on.

We really are getting ripped off in Ireland.

11 of those you mention are also free on satellite in Ireland

watty

Sorry... nonsense.

With NO card you get most of the "Freesat from Sky". I think it only adds about 3 worthless channels.

With an Irish card you can add the missing BBC, ITV, c4 and Five in "other channels".

The "freesat from sky" card is a rip off. The scheme only had some point when BBC, ITV, C4 and Five used encryption. Now they don't.

The ONLY think Sky will listen to is mass cancellations.

But bear in mind there is NO Irish Satellite service. Sky can deliver what they want and charge what they want. They don't have any obligation to charge the same prices here.

They will argue higher costs of currency fluctuations and call centre costs.

So while I agree Sky VAT collected in Ireland should go to Ireland, that is 21%.

While I agree the price is too high, boycott is the only way to reduce it. You'll still have all the better UK channels on the Sky box (which unlike Cable box is yours).
Get and Aerial for Irish TV and go along to local matches supporting them financially instead of Sky Sports.

Mr McBoatface

Mass cancellation of Sky sub's or reduced prices by competition is the only way they'll lower the price they charge here in the Republic. I doubt there will be ever be such a mass exodus by Irish people, in general we complain alot but do nothing about it. I hate to be a kill joy but an Internet campaign wouldn't be worth the paper it's printed on.

Regarding the merits of the SKY FTV card, I think it's worth the 25 - 30 Euro. If you got a Sky HD Box or a suitable non-sky DVB-S2 receiver you can use it to get Channel 4HD and Five HD is due to launch in July (I think) and the SKY FTV will decode this too.

You'll also get Fiver, Five USA and their +1's, Viva, LiverpoolFC TV & Sky 3, there may be more. Granted none of those channels are totally excellent but there are some worth while programs on them.

Stinicker

I never watch Sky anymore since I got my Freesat TV with RTE DTT built in, the HD stuff in Sky is a waste of time and is all repeats. I might get it in again for the winter but Sky is an over priced ripoff atm. The only people alot of people in Ireland bother with Sky is the diabolical Analog reception by RTE for our 4 terrestrial channels.

Saorview DTT should result in Sky losing tens of thousands of customers when RTE is available digitally for free. In Rural areas getting RTE is impossible without paying Sky and I hope they launch a Saorview Sat service for those services where Saorview DTT won't reach with an encrypted card (to avoid rights issues) and a yearly fee of say €50 including a multiroom option.

jolsen

But what about the football, sky sports cheap at twice the price.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_uOgyBK1c

Fat_Fingers

IrishHomer wrote: »

I think it may have been discussed here before but people should start a big facebook campaign against Sky. Its like all the recession pricing as long as punters are paying up sky don't care. If we all stopped paying Sky next month they would then soon sit up and drop prices.

I left Sky last year because of prices too many people too soft and keep paying inflated prices.

+1

No amount of talking about it on the forums or calling sky to complain about it will change anything. Been there done that .... and been told "we haven't got any complains " had enough of Sky's ripoff and canceled Sky about 2 years ago.

As with any large business they will only take it seriously once it hits their profit margins.

IrishHomer

IrishHomer wrote: »

people should start a big facebook campaign against Sky.

Someone already has:

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/Sky-TV-Rip-off/127162917321412?ref=mf

kaisersose77

Well I emailed the BSkyB chief executive Jeremy Darroch and I got this reply from the support team.


"Thank you for your e-mail addressed to Jeremy Darroch regarding the prices for our UK and Eire customer's. I've been asked to investigate and respond on his behalf.

The pricing of Sky's services in the Irish market place is determined by a number of factors, including the costs of carrying out business in the Republic of Ireland, the competitive environment and the commercial environment in which the Sky Group operates as a whole. The cost of conducting business in Ireland differ from those in the UK, for example, VAT rates, costs associated with the retailing and installation of Sky's services, and the costs in acquiring content specifically for the Irish market, including separate Premier League rights deal and payments to BBC, C4 for inclusion in channel packs offered to our customers.

Our current pricing reflects the various costs in providing a quality and value service to our customers.

Subscription prices in the UK and Ireland are priced independently from one another, that is they are not tracked to one another.

The Irish package is now only more expensive in relative terms based on fluctuations in the exchange rate. This means that it is the same price as it was before - Irish customers have not seen a price rise, nor have the UK customers seen a price reduction.

When the Euro is strong, it appears as if the UK subscribers are getting a better deal, and when it is weak, it is vice versa.

I hope that this information helps. Should you require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me at the above address."


There an absolute joke! Their answer can be ripped apart.

Basically we ripped you off from the beginning and we'll continue to you rip you off.

And the person who wrote it didnt give an email address to reply to, all their was was the address it was sent from "help@skycustomersupport.com", to which I'll probably never get a reply from on this particular matter. (I emailed back Monday afternoon and have yet to get a reply).

channelsurfer2

thats the greatest load of hogwash..... did the customer service agent forget to mention that if there was no link to sterling then why did they increase prices when the old irish pound was in use and was worth less than sterling etc??
the live irish premier league rights are rumored to be worth 120million euro over 3 years so thats 40 million a year extra or just under 3.5 million a month... hardly justifying the difference between 18 pounds and 32 euro for sky sports...

snaps

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

thats the greatest load of hogwash..... did the customer service agent forget to mention that if there was no link to sterling then why did they increase prices when the old irish pound was in use and was worth less than sterling etc??
the live irish premier league rights are rumored to be worth 120million euro over 3 years so thats 40 million a year extra or just under 3.5 million a month... hardly justifying the difference between 18 pounds and 32 euro for sky sports...

It also mentions VAT rates! Sky Ireland is paying UK VAT, all those millions of Euro's going into the Queens pocket. No wonder our country is buggered if our government allow this trade to carry on?

I still dont understand how they get away with UK VAT?? Why is it not Irish VAT?

RogerThis

Do anybody have any info on many Irish Sky subscribers there are?

How many take out take out Sky Sports and Movies?

ejmaztec

snaps wrote: »

It also mentions VAT rates! Sky Ireland is paying UK VAT, all those millions of Euro's going into the Queens pocket. No wonder our country is buggered if our government allow this trade to carry on?

I still dont understand how they get away with UK VAT?? Why is it not Irish VAT?

I think that the VAT should have gone into the Irish treasury, and it would have done, were we talking of goods and other services. Obviously satellite broadcasting VAT was outside the scope, but from this on the EU website, that's going to change in 2015 (a bit late in the day, but there you go):

from 1 January 2015: B2C telecommunications, broadcasting and electronically supplied services will be taxed at the place where the private customer is established, has his permanent address or usually resides [Change to Article 58 of the VAT Directive]
Example 53: When webhosting is supplied to a private customer living in Lisbon, Portuguese VAT must be charged irrespective of whether the supplier is established in Portugal, in another EU Member State or outside the EU.
Example 54: Greek VAT is due on the use of a mobile phone by a private customer residing in Athens.
Example 55: Broadcasting services provided to a private customer in Helsinki will contain Finnish VAT.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/vat_on_services/index_en.htm#supply_services

kaisersose77

Sky Sports going up by £3 in September according to these articles, they'll round that off at about 6 euros.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/30/sky-raises-prices

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10472058.stm

snaps

kaisersose77 wrote: »

Sky Sports going up by £3 in September according to these articles, they'll round that off at about 6 euros.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/30/sky-raises-prices

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10472058.stm

Dont think it will go up here. Its going up in the UK as Sky have found a loophole so they can charge BT Vision more for showing sky sports on their network. BT were undercutting BskyB, but if they put sky sports up by 3£ retail it goes up by the same amount at trade price. so now BT are offering Sky sports for 19£ as from the 1st september it'll cost BT just under 19£ to buy it so they will be running at a loss. Same possibly for Virgin cable as well.

It cant go up anymore here as its horrific whats being charged here. For English premiership in Ireland you need sky sports, ESPN and Setanta which for HD coverage must be close on 100€ a month. Who will be willing to fork out that kind of money to watch football?

John mac

snaps wrote: »

It cant go up anymore here as its horrific whats being charged here. For English premiership in Ireland you need sky sports, ESPN and Setanta which for HD coverage must be close on 100€ a month. Who will be willing to fork out that kind of money to watch football?

Loads of people i bet.

kaisersose77

if there going to drop the HD fee, which some people on digitalspy think is going to happen later this year, then they will have to recoup the money somehow and upping the price of sky sports is one way of doing this.

TCP/IP

Lads if you dont want to pay dont. Whats the problem get a sat dish installed pay about €350 for a years sub and away you go more football then Sky will show in a year. There is options stop moaning and do something about it.

kaisersose77

I have a motorised satellite system, had it long before I got Sky (only got sky before christmas for rte etc). And will more than likely cancel when my contract is up, now that DTT seems to be running ok now.

Its more about informing others how Sky are completing ripping off people in Ireland and looks like its going to get even worse.

snaps

kaisersose77 wrote: »

if there going to drop the HD fee, which some people on digitalspy think is going to happen later this year, then they will have to recoup the money somehow and upping the price of sky sports is one way of doing this.

Theres no real competition in Ireland for Sky to drop prices/HD sub here. I can see it happening in the UK as Virgin and now BT vision are giving Sky a run for their money.

Virgin cable in the UK are offering free HD channels now in the XL pack and i believe also are doing deals with tv broadcasters to get them on their platform before they go to Sky (Film4 HD is the recent one to be joining virgin 1st) Also Virgin will soon be offering very fast BB through their fibre optic network.

I dumped Sky many many years ago and like in previous threads ive mentioned where i get all my HD channels/sport from for less than 300€ a year.

Zardoz

I recently got a comeback to Sky offer of half price subscription to any pack for 12 months.
I thought long and hard about it and in the end decided to take the full Sky World sub for 36.50 per month primarily for the rest of the families benefit.
Is it worth 36.50 per month ,perhaps but there is absolutely nothing on it during the summer.
There are so many good FTA channels now like BBC 1-4,ITV 1-4,CH4,E4,More 4,Five,FilmFour ,lots of music channels and news channels ,that werent available 5 years ago for free.
RTE is available on digital terrestrial too so there is a core of about 35-40 decent channels .
The only thing I watch Sky for is sport but for the limited coverage that they have compared to other foreign providers they are outrageously overpriced.
I have a motorised satellite that gives me all the Sport I could ever wish to watch for a fraction of Sky and I dont have to listen to their propaganda or watch ads.
If people actually sat down and analysed the amount of tv they watch ,I bet alot would be surprised at how much of it is fta.
Sky is a complete rip off,for people on the full pack with HD and ESPN ,its over 100 euros a month,mad money .