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Transgender Rights

  • 21-06-2010 5:15pm
    #1
    Mick Daly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭


    Lydia Foy. Did you hear about him?


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    The Government has dropped its challenge to a High Court declaration that Irish law on transgender rights is in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights.

    Are they right?


Comments

  • #2
    Mal-Adjusted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    it's a cosmetic change. He's still a man.


  • #3
    Nozebleed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭Nozebleed


    im not clicking that link. no way.


  • #4
    Abrasax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    Nozebleed wrote: »
    im not clicking that link. no way.

    You're missing out.


  • #5
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    Mick Daly wrote: »
    Lydia Foy. Did you hear about him?

    Great start, I see this thread going in a good direction.


  • #6
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,202 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Mick Daly wrote: »
    Lydia Foy. Did you hear about him?
    Mal-Adjusted wrote: »
    it's a cosmetic change. He's still a man.
    Berty wrote: »
    Maybe he is fighting for the "Right" to have babies. :D


    Transgender rights?

    Obviously they haven't any.


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  • #7
    L.Jenkins
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    Gracelyn Dirty Treatment wrote: »
    Great start, I see this thread going in a good direction.

    So is OP's choice of forum to post such a topic in.


  • #8
    Berty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,158 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    Maybe he is fighting for the "Right" to have babies. :D


  • #9
    antidark777
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭antidark777


    Exactly what rights are in question here?


  • #10
    Mick Daly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Mick Daly


    So does it still have a dick? It's only make-up?


    It's voice did sound feminine.


    I use "it" because I don't know the correct/definite gender


  • #11
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I'd just like to point out, theres already a thread in politics about this.

    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055944102

    But by all means, descend into madness AH. Descend away.


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  • #12
    L.Jenkins
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    antidark777 wrote: »
    Exactly what rights are in question here?

    To be recognised as a woman. S/he can't file any legal form i.e. Insurance as a woman.


  • #13
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Mick Daly wrote: »
    The Government has dropped its challenge to a High Court declaration that Irish law on transgender rights is in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights.

    Are they right?

    She's a she now.

    Yes they are.


  • #14
    Sulmac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    About bloody time.

    Sad fact is, the government didn't do this because they all-of-a-sudden became "progressive". They did this because they knew they would lose - the precedent exists in the European Court of Human Rights case Goodwin vs. United Kingdom, almost the exact same in its facts.

    Congratulations Lydia, maybe now you can get on with your life.


  • #15
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    Overheal wrote: »
    But by all means, descend into madness AH. Descend away.

    You heard the boss everyone. Get yer ignant gloves on and start typing.


  • #16
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,202 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Mick Daly wrote: »
    So does it still have a dick? It's only make-up?


    It's voice did sound feminine.


    I use "it" because I don't know the correct/definite gender


    Nah, you used it because you don't recognise her right to a gender that suits her.


  • #17
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    I think there is a thread around here somewhere just for this guy. Oh wait here it is

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055945631


  • #18
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    djhunter30 would you like to make your signiture bigger? They can't see it in China.


  • #19
    Mick Daly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Mick Daly


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Nah, you used it because you don't recognise her right to a gender that suits her.

    No. I couldn't care if he had his dick chopped off. No skin off my nose.


  • #20
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    mike65 wrote: »
    djhunter30 would you like to make your signiture bigger? They can't see it in China.

    Take it to the sigpo thread.




    Oh wait. :(


  • #21
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,202 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Mick Daly wrote: »
    No. I couldn't care if he had his dick chopped off. No skin off my nose.

    Don't be a dick. "It" is the wrong pronoun either way.


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  • #22
    L.Jenkins
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    mike65 wrote: »
    djhunter30 would you like to make your signiture bigger? They can't see it in China.

    There ya go mate, sorted.


  • #23
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Morlar wrote: »
    I think there is a thread around here somewhere just for this guy. Oh wait here it is

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055945631

    Science begs to differ.
    The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.
    (my bold)
    http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034


  • #24
    Mick Daly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Mick Daly


    He's even got her own wikipedia page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Foy

    Never heard of them until today.


  • #25
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Nodin wrote: »
    Science begs to differ.

    (my bold)
    http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034

    Unable to comprehend wins out every time.


  • #26
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    This is wonderful news. I'm not even going to bother responding to some of the horrible comments here, this is really wonderful. :)


  • #27
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fontanalis wrote: »
    Unable to comprehend wins out every time.

    More often than not, alas.


  • #28
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Nah, you used it because you don't recognise her right to a gender that suits her.

    ugh, now i've no problem with this man, but until he has two X chromosomes, there's no court in the world that can make him female. that's the way it is, and this whole legal carry on is nothing but attention-seeking behaviour.

    let him live his life either way, but just getting a pair of plastic tits and having your twig and giggleberries cut off does not make you a woman.


  • #29
    cypharius
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭cypharius


    IMO he's still a he. He still has a Y chromosome doesn't he?

    Perhaps somebody should provide a link to a site that explains what rights he/she/it had before and what it has now?

    Way I see it, he shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, that's it. Other then that he should have the same rights we have.


  • #30
    Mal-Adjusted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    genericguy wrote: »
    ugh, now i've no problem with this man, but until he has two X chromosomes, there's no court in the world that can make him female. that's the way it is, and this whole legal carry on is nothing but attention-seeking behaviour.

    let him live his life either way, but just getting a pair of plastic tits and having your twig and giggleberries cut off does not make you a woman.

    that's why I said that this gender issue was entirely cosmetic. the only way that this man could be scientifically recignised as a woman is if every single of his cells was stripped of its Y chromosome and replaced with an X one. i mean, if I bought a bucked of brown paint and applied it to myself, could i get my birth cert. changed to identify me as a black person? didn't think so

    besides, you could totally see his adams apple on the news!


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  • #31
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055944102 is a thread in the politics forum about this event. Unfortunately considering the posts that have preceded this I doubt we have the ability to facilitate a reasonable non-offensive discussion on transgender rights in AH. Not on this thread anyway. Considering this inability to discuss this topic in a non-insulting manner I have decided that the offence already caused and that which is doubtless to come outweighs the potential merits of such a discussion in after hours at this time.
    Please PM me for clarification.


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