Wireless Gaming Mouse wanted, any advice?

Dara Robinson

So I bought a Logitech G7 mouse like 5 or 6 years ago (basically just as it game out) and it was working fine up until last year, so I went looking for another and could not find any for sale. I ended up buying the Logitech G5 (basically the wired G7) but the cable is one of these new threaded material ones but this stuff was too tough and inflexible, so much so its actually damaged itself over time. So I am now back in the market for a mouse.

I have been looking around and I cant seem to spot any reliable Wireless gaming mice. I mean the G7 was great and it lasted me 5 years plus it never faulted me during gaming even though it was a wireless mouse. Any suggestions?

SeantheMan

Buy one off ebay or online

PogMoThoin

I've always found slight lag with a wireless mouse for gaming, even with the transmitter 2 inches away, hence I dumped a wireless Logitech MX1000 in favour of a wired one, no way I'd go back

Dara Robinson

SeantheMan wrote: »

Buy one off ebay or online

Its been discontinued and I have been unable to find any for sale at all. I've looked, trust me

PogMoThoin wrote: »

I've always found slight lag with a wireless mouse for gaming, even with the transmitter 2 inches away, hence I dumped a wireless Logitech MX1000 in favour of a wired one, no way I'd go back

Then you never played with the G7. Never had any lag what so ever, regardless of the game (FPS or not) and distance, well that was never a problem. I used to play with my PC at one end of the room and me another, and again no lag. The G7 was a gaming mouse and it was as good as some of the best gaming wired mice out there but I was hoping that someone had built another one as good. Anyone know of one?

Burgo

Razer Mamba, Microsoft SideWinder X8 could be worth a look.

Antar Bolaeisk

Before you go buying a new mouse fire off an e-mail to logitech support and see if they can help you out at all, even if it's just money off a new mouse or something. Won't hurt to ask and Logitech have fantastic customer care so might offer you something. Won't hurt to ask anyway.

Overheal

Microsoft mice have notoriously bad tracking.

Logitech V450 nano. Simple cheap and effective.

Dara Robinson

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

Before you go buying a new mouse fire off an e-mail to logitech support and see if they can help you out at all, even if it's just money off a new mouse or something. Won't hurt to ask and Logitech have fantastic customer care so might offer you something. Won't hurt to ask anyway.

Good thinking batman

Nick_oliveri

Dara Robinson wrote: »

but the cable is one of these new threaded material ones but this stuff was too tough and inflexible, so much so its actually damaged itself over time. So I am now back in the market for a mouse.

Exact same thing happened to my G5. Im sitting here with a wireless logitech from argos since then.

Overheal

My only complaint is they advertise battery life @ a year, and typically I've gotten them to last maybe 4-5 months.

Which is still a lot, but they advertise 12. Maybe I'm just a more predominate user than their test model.

Da Bounca

http://eu.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/

Have the Mamba myself, and it's been good to me so far.

Jazzy

Overheal wrote: »

Microsoft mice have notoriously bad tracking.

Logitech V450 nano. Simple cheap and effective.

MS mice are actually probably the most in-sync mice in the world if you are playing on windows. the MS IE 3.0 was the staple of pr0 gamers for years and still is in a lot of cases.

a Razer mamba would be real nice. expensive, but easily the best wireless mouse ive used. one of my mates has one and its excellent (i play on his PC a lot )

Da Bounca wrote: »

http://eu.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/

Have the Mamba myself, and it's been good to me so far.

ha yeah, that guy

Creamy Goodness

Pfft ie 3.0.

The ie 1.1se is where it's at. Still have one in use at home and one in a box unopened. Will be worth a fortune someday I hope

Jazzy

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

Pfft ie 3.0.

The ie 1.1se is where it's at. Still have one in use at home and one in a box unopened. Will be worth a fortune someday I hope

yes but your a CS nab, when you play a true pr0 game you need that extra finesse and precision

johnny_ultimate

Been looking at one of these for my Macbook. Will mostly be used for TF2. Anyone used one?

wolfric

sorry op slightly off your original question but do you find that the gaming mouse makes a difference in normal use (ie outside of gaming)? I've always just used any old oem mouse lying around but never really felt it was that smooth.

Are you looking for the g7 in a physical shop? i did a quick google and found plenty

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=logitech+g7&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=6069161204156550376&ei=3-kfTKvuFqT20wSJlI2vDQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQ8wIwAg#

Gummy Panda

Jazzy wrote: »

yes but your a CS nab, when you play a true pr0 game you need that extra finesse and precision

What game is that Jazzy?

Jazzy

Gummy Panda wrote: »

What game is that Jazzy?

www.quakelive.com

johanz

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Been looking at one of these for my Macbook. Will mostly be used for TF2. Anyone used one?

80 EUROS? FOR THAT?
Wow...
I bet a 10 euro mouse would be just as good as that.

cherryghost

theres GODDAMN LAG in every GODDAMN wireless mouse. Seriously.

I've tried 3/4, including the so called lag-free G7. It's there! even if its only a couple of milliseconds, it's very noticeable for games that require twitchy split-seconds movements. Don't know how anybody can defend wireless mice for gaming. it just doesnt work at the moment.

johanz

cherryghost wrote: »

theres GODDAMN LAG in every GODDAMN wireless mouse. Seriously.

I've tried 3/4, including the so called lag-free G7. It's there! even if its only a couple of milliseconds, it's very noticeable for games that require twitchy split-seconds movements. Don't know how anybody can defend wireless mice for gaming. it just doesnt work at the moment.

Fun fact, the more wireless equipment you have, the bigger lag will be because of all the interference.

cherryghost

johanz wrote: »

Fun fact, the more wireless equipment you have, the bigger lag will be because of all the interference.

fun fact, i have no wireless devices in my room

and also, theres 2 laptops, one of which is rarely used, the other is at the other side of the house. my ds is never on/on standby, as is the psp, my phone is currently in my bedroom, so yeah. tell me i get interference from my wireless equipment

Overheal

johanz wrote: »

Fun fact, the more wireless equipment you have, the bigger lag will be because of all the interference.

A tad false given theres multiple channels involved. You can easily swap the channel on the router, for instance.

Jazzy

johanz wrote: »

I bet a 10 euro mouse would be just as good as that.

no it wouldnt

johanz

Jazzy wrote: »

no it wouldnt

Yes it would. I had a generic 10$ mouse, then after 3 years when it broke I got a G9 and I noticed no difference. My skill didn't go up or down in any games.

Overheal wrote: »

A tad false given theres multiple channels involved. You can easily swap the channel on the router, for instance.

Doesn't matter, if there's a lot of wireless devices, they start to interfere even if they use different channels each.

Jazzy

johanz wrote: »

Yes it would. I had a generic 10$ mouse, then after 3 years when it broke I got a G9 and I noticed no difference. My skill didn't go up or down in any games.

nope. dont buy that. maybe you are just the same skill because you dont know how to get better? ever considered that it was the user and not the hardware? a crappy 10eu mouse doesnt really cut it if you wanna get the most out of pc gaming, if you dont believe that then maybe you arent getting the most out of it due to yourself

Venom

johanz wrote: »

80 EUROS? FOR THAT?
Wow...
I bet a 10 euro mouse would be just as good as that.

Yeah Razor became one of the leading mice manufacturers by making crap products :rolleyes:

OP it you want a good gaming mouse go wired, wireless just doesn't cut it.

bubonicus

I would not recommend any razor products, I find they wear and break very quickly compared to other makes.

I don't now if this is any good, but It looks class: -

johanz

bubonicus wrote: »

I would not recommend any razor products, I find they wear and break very quickly compared to other makes.

I don't now if this is any good, but It looks class: -

Never ever buy mouses based on their looks.
And the one you posted IMO looks very terrible and unpractical.

bubonicus

johanz wrote: »

Never ever buy mouses based on their looks.
And the one you posted IMO looks very terrible and unpractical.

you're right of course, I probably should have put a at the end of my post.

AFOB

Hi Dara,

I would hold back from purchasing for a bit, as i believe Logitech are releasing a new gaming mouse that should tick all the boxes you're looking for quite soon...

johanz

bubonicus wrote: »

you're right of course, I probably should have put a at the end of my post.

Yeah, then it would be clear

Rabies

cherryghost wrote: »

theres GODDAMN LAG in every GODDAMN wireless mouse. Seriously.

I've tried 3/4, including the so called lag-free G7. It's there! even if its only a couple of milliseconds, it's very noticeable for games that require twitchy split-seconds movements. Don't know how anybody can defend wireless mice for gaming. it just doesnt work at the moment.

because they play for fun.

When dealing with a handful of milliseconds its not that bad and hardly noticeable to most normal gamers. Only hardcore gamers will see the difference.



you sure its not your comp

johanz

Rabies wrote: »

because they play for fun.

When dealing with a handful of milliseconds its not that bad and hardly noticeable to most normal gamers. Only hardcore gamers will see the difference.



you sure its not your comp

Or internet. If you can notice mouse lag, you sure as hell should notice 50ms ping.

Overheal

johanz wrote: »

Doesn't matter, if there's a lot of wireless devices, they start to interfere even if they use different channels each.

Not in my own experience with a Wi-Fi'd up neighbourhood, a dual band router, cell phone, and wireless keyboard and mouse operating independently of eachother. They work mint. Im not sure exactly how much interference you're talking about. Do you keep uranium isotopes as paperweights? Using Ni-Cd or Ni-Mh batteries?

cherryghost

Rabies wrote: »

because they play for fun.

When dealing with a handful of milliseconds its not that bad and hardly noticeable to most normal gamers. Only hardcore gamers will see the difference.



you sure its not your comp

anyone who plays pc games as a 'normal gamer' isn't a true PC gamer then

johanz

cherryghost wrote: »

anyone who plays pc games as a 'normal gamer' isn't a true PC gamer then

Anyone who plays any game as hardc00r 1337 pr0 is an idiot.
I am so tired of people going all "lul i pwn u" "lol u nub" or stuff like that.

Being a pro at a videogame will not benefit you in any way, so you can stop bragging.

Jazzy

johanz wrote: »

Anyone who plays any game as hardc00r 1337 pr0 is an idiot.
I am so tired of people going all "lul i pwn u" "lol u nub" or stuff like that.

Being a pro at a videogame will not benefit you in any way, so you can stop bragging.

i knew it


the most important thing is to be comfortable with your setup. an old mate of mine used to wtfheadshot me all the time in UT and he was using a wireless G5 back in 2006 when wireless wasnt as good as it is today. the reason was he was comfortable with his setup. Its about the synergy between the player, the tools he is using and the game and spending bucket loads is not a sure fire way to fix that. half of a good mouse is the mousemat you are using, big numbers and stats dont really mean much if im tbh as the best way to get the most out of your mouse is by using settings way way lower then the advertised maximum.

Rabies wrote:

because they play for fun.

winning is fun. when playing online you tend to want to win and you dont want to have a fault in the tools that you notice when playing. see above about synergy and comfort, you would be amazed what the brain notices and how you react to this.

PogMoThoin

Wireless mice give very noticable lag, I can feel it, but I very much doubt it affects gameplay, it does annoy me though

Overheal

Maybe when you're running 100+ fps? I never run anything that blazingly fast :P at 30fps Ive never noticed a damn thing, and switching to wireless never affected my standing on the scoreboard.

Off Topic: This is excellent and I want all of my peripherals to be Tron peripherals

http://gizmodo.com/5569832/tron-controllers-make-any-game-a-tron-game

johanz

Overheal wrote: »

Maybe when you're running 100+ fps? I never run anything that blazingly fast :P at 30fps Ive never noticed a damn thing, and switching to wireless never affected my standing on the scoreboard.

Off Topic: This is excellent and I want all of my peripherals to be Tron peripherals

http://gizmodo.com/5569832/tron-controllers-make-any-game-a-tron-game

Too bad it never looks as good in real life as it does in 3d render

Overheal

We'll see. I like the idea.

Dara Robinson

cherryghost wrote: »

theres GODDAMN LAG in every GODDAMN wireless mouse. Seriously.

I've tried 3/4, including the so called lag-free G7. It's there! even if its only a couple of milliseconds, it's very noticeable for games that require twitchy split-seconds movements. Don't know how anybody can defend wireless mice for gaming. it just doesnt work at the moment.

Your wrong mate. The G7 has no lag, its been tested to death by gamers and gamer mags and always voted one of the best mice out there, wireless or not.
I know, I am an avid gamer and have used mine for years and years and never failed me once. Well not up until last year. But I mean, what wireless mouse lasts 5 years with no problems, plus the battery life is as good as it was day 1

johanz wrote: »

Fun fact, the more wireless equipment you have, the bigger lag will be because of all the interference.

You have no idea what your talking about mate. Like Overheal mentioned they use different channels and since 05 they now break that down from frequency channels to smaller ones since the G7 has interference with wireless routers using 2.4ghz (which I just found out is whats wrong with the G7, so when I turn my Router off it will be fine)

johanz wrote: »

Doesn't matter, if there's a lot of wireless devices, they start to interfere even if they use different channels each.

Not the case at all, what are you basing this knowledge on?

bubonicus wrote: »

I don't now if this is any good, but It looks class: -

I have to say, its probably **** but it looks awesome

johanz wrote: »

Anyone who plays any game as hardc00r 1337 pr0 is an idiot.
I am so tired of people going all "lul i pwn u" "lol u nub" or stuff like that.

Being a pro at a videogame will not benefit you in any way, so you can stop bragging.

lol clearly you have no skills if 10yr olds are kicking your ass on a regular basis (cause its only 10yr olds who speak like that)

cherryghost

@Overheal, you would notice any lag on your mouse @30fps, hell even at 50fps you wouldnt notice it. Since you're not getting the smoothest possible experience, you wouldnt need the smoothest of mouse movements to compliment it.

Dara Robinson wrote: »

Your wrong mate. The G7 has no lag, its been tested to death by gamers and gamer mags and always voted one of the best mice out there, wireless or not.
I know, I am an avid gamer and have used mine for years and years and never failed me once. Well not up until last year. But I mean, what wireless mouse lasts 5 years with no problems, plus the battery life is as good as it was day 1

How can I be wrong when I HAD a G7? I threw it away for my trusty old G5 again