Asked to Sign for Wrong Score

slumped

I played (as a visitor) in an Open Singles (Strokes) yesterday and one of my playing partners (a member of the course we were playing) lost a ball on a par 3 and opted not to go back to the tee to reload.

I put him down as a blank.

A few holes later he asks me to put him down for a 6 instead of a scratch. (his score would not have counted for prizes, but could have impacted on CSS).

I told him he would get his 0.1 back with a NR anyway and that I wasn't signing for a wrong score.

I've also got suspicions that he did not enter his score on computer.

Should I flag this with the club or put it down to experience?

A.Partridge

Firstly, you were quite correct not to sign for a wrong score. Well done.

Secondly, the cardinal rule of golf is that a player MUST be able to stand over his/her golf score. In this instance this player seems to have a laissez-faire attitude to signing for a correct score and it won't be the last time he will do such a thing if someone doesn't put a halt to his cheating now.

If I were you I'd write a letter to the club secretary detailing what happened.


Your golf card is sacrosanct. No way should an incorrect score ever be entered on it.


Too much of that stuff going on if you ask me.:mad:

Daithio9

slumped wrote: »

I played (as a visitor) in an Open Singles (Strokes) yesterday and one of my playing partners (a member of the course we were playing) lost a ball on a par 3 and opted not to go back to the tee to reload.

I put him down as a blank.

A few holes later he asks me to put him down for a 6 instead of a scratch. (his score would not have counted for prizes, but could have impacted on CSS).

I told him he would get his 0.1 back with a NR anyway and that I wasn't signing for a wrong score.

I've also got suspicions that he did not enter his score on computer.

Should I flag this with the club or put it down to experience?

You were spot on slump and as suggested I would write a letter to the club about the member and hope they deal with it satisfactorily.

conno16

seems a bit OTT to me
sure its his business at the end of the day
it not really cheating in my book, not like he claimed first prize as a result

IITYWYBMAD

conno16 wrote: »

seems a bit OTT to me
sure its his business at the end of the day
it not really cheating in my book, not like he claimed first prize as a result

Thankfully your book is probably titled Alice in Wonderland. I also know that you have answered in this manner for effect, so I'll humor you.

It's very much his playing partner(s) business, as asking anybody to sign for an incorrect score is a big no no, as any golfer worth his salt will tell you. Knowingly signing for an incorrect score could (and should) get you reported to your home club, and the GUI. With a possible suspension very likely.

Slumped, if I was in your shoes I would flag it with the Comp Sec or the Handicap Sec in the club, and let them deal with it.

Gophur

conno16 wrote: »

seems a bit OTT to me
sure its his business at the end of the day
...............

It ceases to be his business when he asks another player to sign the card.

Speak Now

conno16 wrote: »

seems a bit OTT to me
sure its his business at the end of the day
it not really cheating in my book, not like he claimed first prize as a result

Agreed we should all sign our own cards, sure it's no one elses business what we score.

soundsham

conno16 wrote: »

seems a bit OTT to me
sure its his business at the end of the day
it not really cheating in my book, not like he claimed first prize as a result

doesn't really matter what you think as your not taken seriously anyway,

It should be flagged so the guy may get a slap on the knuckles from his own club,
also if his club have any slight doubts about the guy from previous its only by people like yourself bringing to light his carry on that he can be dealt with going forward.

Russman

I'm glad this thread doesn't have "dilemma" in the title

There is no doubt with this one, the guy should be reported. Asking someone to falsify a card is simply the "C" word that we don't like to use around golf.

Who knows how many time he's done it in the past or even if he's above changing it after its signed anyway ? I'd imagine he's looking at a 3 or 6 month suspension from most clubs and lifetime of whispered rumours.

By the way, if its not too blunt, whats the deal with this Conno16 lad ? I'm relatively new here but there's obviously some history ? or is it friendly banter I'm picking up wrong ?

Whyner

This place is like a confession box lately.......:p

heavyballs

conno16 wrote: »

seems a bit OTT to me
sure its his business at the end of the day
it not really cheating in my book, not like he claimed first prize as a result

i don't know why you bother,:mad:

staker

Don't bite heavyballs!!

Well done OP, I think a quiet phone call to the club would be my course of action

heavyballs

staker wrote: »

Don't bite heavyballs!!

Well done OP, I think a quiet phone call to the club would be my course of action

i wouldn't really call that bitein tbh but point taken

Kace

slumped wrote: »

I played (as a visitor) in an Open Singles (Strokes) yesterday and one of my playing partners (a member of the course we were playing) lost a ball on a par 3 and opted not to go back to the tee to reload.

I put him down as a blank.

A few holes later he asks me to put him down for a 6 instead of a scratch. (his score would not have counted for prizes, but could have impacted on CSS).

I told him he would get his 0.1 back with a NR anyway and that I wasn't signing for a wrong score.

I've also got suspicions that he did not enter his score on computer.

Should I flag this with the club or put it down to experience?

I wonder has he ever used a leather wedge ?

Daithio9

Odds on he's used a magic pencil in the past.

GorHugh

Daithio9 wrote: »

Odds on he's used a magic pencil in the past.

Magic Pencil , The Toe Nudge , maybe even the opponent ball stamp , I'd say the list could name every C****t possibly used in golf ...

slumped

OP here.

I'm in two minds.

I know I did the right thing by refusing to sign for a wrong score, I even made a point of writing NR in big letters and circling it on the card!

I don't think he entered his score on computer either.

Why would he ask me to falsify his card and then not submit an NR - is there a stigma to having NRs on your record?

I like playing at the course in question, and play regularly at the same time every week so the chances of bumping into him, or even having to play with him are quite high.

Upsetting the apple cart and all that.

Hmmmm. Will decide over the weekend, but if there's a potent argument for not reporting him, please let me know!

S

Speak Now

You signed the card correctly so you did your job.
If he didn't return his card the club know this and will deal with accordingly. I'd leave it at that. Anyway what's your man going to say about ya? that lad there wouldn't enter a correct score for me?

A.Partridge

slumped wrote: »

OP here.

I'm in two minds.

I know I did the right thing by refusing to sign for a wrong score, I even made a point of writing NR in big letters and circling it on the card!

I don't think he entered his score on computer either.

Why would he ask me to falsify his card and then not submit an NR - is there a stigma to having NRs on your record?

I like playing at the course in question, and play regularly at the same time every week so the chances of bumping into him, or even having to play with him are quite high.

Upsetting the apple cart and all that.

Hmmmm. Will decide over the weekend, but if there's a potent argument for not reporting him, please let me know!

S

Slumped, I appreciate that you may feel uncomfortable meeting him again. But, it should be the opposite way around!

You've done everything right and nothing wrong.


Just think of it this way. Supposing you had acceded to his request and deliberately signed for a wrong score and someone else got to know about it and reported you both?

YOU would be in trouble with your club and the GUI for knowingly falsifying a card and your reputation would be in bits ...all because he was too lazy to walk back to the tee...or too proud to accept an NR on his card?

If I were in your shoes and I met him again and he said something to me I wouldn't be behind the door in telling him that he put me in a terrible position and that he shouldn't ever do that to any other player again.

That chap has to learn to play by the rules of golf...the most fundamental of which is to sign a true and accurate scorecard.

Just my 2c.