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Derek Boyle

hey i just up loaded a video of me doing a bit of scratching over hard dance,if your into it let me know and if youve any tips of how i can improve it would be great thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr5h6PwPTgE

Zascar

I'm not into into hard dance but I did not know people even scratched over it, but I had a quick listen and it wasn't bad at all. It takes a lot of skill so fair play. You need more practice but you're nearly there. Your timing was a little out, mostly you're a bit too quick - and I'd like to hear more use of different scratch samples you stayed on the same few a bit too long.

My two cent, hope that helps anyway.

jonnny68

Zascar wrote: »

I'm into into hard dance and I did not know people even scratched over it, but I had a quick listen and it wasn't bad at all. It takes a lot of skill so fair play. You need more practice but you're nearly there. Your timing was a little out, mostly you're a bit too quick - and I'd like to hear more use of different scratch samples you stayed on the same few a bit too long.

My two cent, hope that helps anyway.

i never realised you were into hard dance :eek:

The term usually includes genres such as UK Hard House, Hard NRG, Hard Trance, and Hardstyle. The BPM for these genres typically ranges from 140-150BPM, and consists of a 4x4 rhythm (specifically four-on-the-floor).

Zascar

LOL!!! Sorry that was a typo I left out the not by accident - I've edited that now hahahahahaha!

jonnny68

Zascar wrote: »

LOL typo that was mean to say I'm Not into hard dance

hahahahahaha!

haha i was beginning to wonder alright, from minimal techno to hard dance is some shift in music preferences;):D

Zascar

In my younger years I have to admit I did like a bit of Lisa Lashes - I remember seeing her in the Temple Theatre many years ago, madness hehe!

jonnny68

I used to, and still do like hard house from 94-97 stuff that Tony De Vit and Pete Wardman amongst others used to play,im not actually embarrassed at all about any music that i may have liked in the past,i may not listen to it much thesedays (as in Hard House) but it was still a part of what i was about at that time i was never massively into it but some tracks were the business, i don't know anything about the hard house/hard dance scene thesedays though but bya ll accounts the music just got too fast IMO but each to their own.:)

jtsuited

Zascar wrote: »

LOL!!! Sorry that was a typo I left out the not by accident - I've edited that now hahahahahaha!

HAHA the typo of all typos!!!!

Zascar

I know! Good job Jonny for spotting it... I really should read over my posts..

Derek Boyle

Thanks for your comment man,i used to dj in the kiss niteclub in drogheda from 99 to 2001 it was a sister club for the temple theatre, theyed get us djs and take some of the door,i use to play trance and hardhouse back then but im more of an electro and techno head now,hadnt djed in 6 or 7 years up until last year,hard dance is big up here and i was offered a gig,it went well so thats why i made that vid! well ill get practiceing thanks for the advice

DaveyDave

I like it, anything else for me to listen to? I love the track, especially the lead bass line, scratching adds a lot to it. I think it's the only track by Walt Jensen I have lol

es-cee

Derek Boyle wrote: »

hey i just up loaded a video of me doing a bit of scratching over hard dance,if your into it let me know and if youve any tips of how i can improve it would be great thanks

alright mate, liked the vid, i love scratchin when its done right and i thought your vid was pretty decent alright. if your lookin to build on your skills theres plenty of tutorials vids over on youtube ya could check out. its a skill that doesnt suit every style of dance but it works well with alot.
this lad imo is prob the best dance dj ive ever heard, hes defo me fav dance dj that utilises scratchin anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzg24Xuv66o

deffo check those tutorials out for new techniques in fader and record/platter skills. keep up the good work

Derek Boyle

Well man thanks for the comment,im a big fan of dj hype, he is one of the best ever,scratching is really great for drum and bass and hip hop but unfortunetly the patterns dont work over dance music because because the drum and bass track is say average 180 bpm and a dance track is say 140 so they would sound way too slow,nearly every tutorial out there is for hip hop [average track being 90 bpm] so theres very little help for scratching over dance,the drum and bass djs get away with doing the hip hop patterns because its around half the speed so it sits on top nice! and if i doubled the speed of those patterns it would sound way way to fast and my fingers would probably fall off! ha

es-cee

Derek Boyle wrote: »

Well man thanks for the comment,im a big fan of dj hype, he is one of the best ever,scratching is really great for drum and bass and hip hop but unfortunetly the patterns dont work over dance music because because the drum and bass track is say average 180 bpm and a dance track is say 140 so they would sound way too slow,nearly every tutorial out there is for hip hop [average track being 90 bpm] so theres very little help for scratching over dance,the drum and bass djs get away with doing the hip hop patterns because its around half the speed so it sits on top nice! and if i doubled the speed of those patterns it would sound way way to fast and my fingers would probably fall off! ha

lol.
nah man i'd deffo recommend sortin out soem hip hop patterns mate. i have hacienda acid house mixes with graeme park and the like doin some hip hoip paterns over house, acid house and hip house with a bpm of about 130 average and it sounds great. if nothin else at least ya will have learned another skill that will stand to ya whether or not ya can use it with hard dance or not. music is changoing so rapidly now that within a couple of years or so hard dance will be a thing of the past and somethin else will be in ya know.


EDIT*: theres also a dj sy scratch tutorial on YT as well if ya wanna look that up.

Derek Boyle

yeah , i can scratch to hip hop and drum and bass but lately ive been just more interested in doing it over house, trance and hard dance because theres not a whole lot of it and its harder to get patterns to suit,ive seen sy and again he plays hardcore its very fast and if you slow it down to 130-140 it doesnt sound great,i wouldnt mind hearing graham park, where would i find these sets, thanks man

es-cee

Derek Boyle wrote: »

yeah , i can scratch to hip hop and drum and bass but lately ive been just more interested in doing it over house, trance and hard dance because theres not a whole lot of it and its harder to get patterns to suit,ive seen sy and again he plays hardcore its very fast and if you slow it down to 130-140 it doesnt sound great,i wouldnt mind hearing graham park, where would i find these sets, thanks man

sign up here and post a few posts to get at the downloads, think its 25 or somethin.

http://onlyoldskool.com/index.php

then go rootin thru the live mix section. cant remember exactly what mix it is but its deffo 1 of the HAC mixes from the late 80s anyway.

Executive Steve

es-cee wrote: »

music is changoing so rapidly now that within a couple of years or so hard dance will be a thing of the past and somethin else will be in.

*bites tongue*


Props for the skills on the video though, I'm far too malcoordinated to learn how to scratch!

Executive Steve

Derek Boyle wrote: »

Well man thanks for the comment,im a big fan of dj hype, he is one of the best ever,scratching is really great for drum and bass and hip hop but unfortunetly the patterns dont work over dance music because because the drum and bass track is say average 180 bpm and a dance track is say 140 so they would sound way too slow,nearly every tutorial out there is for hip hop [average track being 90 bpm] so theres very little help for scratching over dance,the drum and bass djs get away with doing the hip hop patterns because its around half the speed so it sits on top nice! and if i doubled the speed of those patterns it would sound way way to fast and my fingers would probably fall off! ha

Have you tried listening to old Dave Clarke mixes? Not sure what the difference is in BPM between the stuff he'd be playing and the hard dance you'd be into, but the man has skills...

Jev/N

Very good stuff but I would argue 'less is more', try not to over do it on the scratching

Derek Boyle

thanks for the comments lads,ill check that out,yeah dave clarke is the master,his vid on youtube with him at perfection is the best vid on youtube for me,yeah ur right less is more,i wouldnt scratch that much for as long it was just because it was for youtube i gave it loads! cheers lads