Motorway through Ireland National Heritage Park at Ferrycarrig.

Judgement Day

More unbelievable twaddle except that being County Wexford it is quite likely to happen. From today's Guardian:

me_right_one

Unbelievable. More ghost roads for Ireland. Why not just burn the money it'll cost? And do they purposely target vunreable targets like this park? Saddening.

Nialloooo

ok is this a late april fools joke or something???
Discracefull .. myself and girlfriend were down there a few months back and the place could do with a lick of paint granted but its a great place to go and have a walk and relex

Oryx

No, this is not a joke. It is a not very well publicised, but huge project the council are planning to reroute the N11 to Rosslare.

There are eight proposed routes, and the heritage park is one of the least offending obstacles, imo. Two other routes propose to take over miles of green field land, and bash through villages nowhere near a major route right now.

The consulation meeting for residents took place yesterday, but noone in any of the proposed areas received as much as a flyer about it. Disgraceful.

For details of all the proposed routes, see here. http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/NationalRoadsLiaisonOffice/OilgateRosslareHarbourProject/

lolli

Wow this is completely crazy!

LillyVanilli

Only heard of this last night AFTER the meeting. Three of the proposed routes go through my front garden! My house is already worth half of what I paid for it and now they are planning to put a motorway at the end of my driveway. I would much prefer for it to go through the heritage park selfish as that may be.

Judgement Day

Of course it's completely crazy and as anyone who use the N11 - except for motorway groupies - will accept the volume of traffic does not in anyway justify building a motorway. Rosslare Harbour, a port owned by a railway company, and not as much as an envelope comes out of it by rail!

Oryx

Judgement Day wrote: »

Of course it's completely crazy and as anyone who use the N11 - except for motorway groupies - will accept the volume of traffic does not in anyway justify building a motorway. Rosslare Harbour, a port owned by a railway company, and not as much as an envelope comes out of it by rail!

Partly because the ferry timetables and the rail timetables dont match. Trains are often gone a half hour before the ship docks. If they got their finger out and sorted the actual infrastructure that exists first, they might be onto something.

This is being extremely poorly handled even at this stage. I can see it turning into a complete nightmare for all concerned.

jpb1974

the volume of traffic does not in anyway justify building a motorway

Agreed - no need for a motor way here whatsoever.

Money would be better spent re-surfacing roads around the county (properly at that), putting in a 2nd bridge in New Ross or building an Enniscorthy by-pass.

me_right_one

LillyVanilli wrote: »

Only heard of this last night AFTER the meeting. Three of the proposed routes go through my front garden! My house is already worth half of what I paid for it and now they are planning to put a motorway at the end of my driveway. I would much prefer for it to go through the heritage park selfish as that may be.

I feel for you, but the solution here is not to route the road through the park, or your garden. The solution is NOT TO BUILD IT!

Cantona's Collars

The Enniscorthy bypass is on the way,survey work has been ingoing for the past year or more,archeological surveys have been done on the proposed routes already.As for motorway through the Heritage Park I'd see it as a very unpopular decision but as we seen before-namely the Hill Of Tara debacle it could just go ahead.If so, write it into contracts that main contractor builds new park to replace it.Anyone else got a solution as to the proposed route?

JupiterKid

The article seems a bit sensationalist, but it is of grave concern if there are definite plans to route this proposed road through what is probably Wexford's biggest single tourist attraction and something quite valuable to Ireland as a whole.:(

I don't think there is a need to extend the M11 motorway beyond Enniscorthy. The traffic levels do not warrant it. The most urgent road improvemen the N11 needs to to get on with dualling the section between Rathnew and Arklow.

What would be better, and more logical, would be to dual the existing N11/N25 route from Enniscorthy to Rosslare "on line" including the Wexford ring road. That should be more than enough.

In any case there's no money for any new roads once the current crop of motorways are finished and there won't be for some time to come...

Mahatma coat

Sorry for askin what may amount to a stupid question, but dosent the N11 pretty much run along the edge of the Heritrage park at the moment, I presume this is the Bit between ferrycarraig and the Barntown roundabout, aint that already 2 lanes and a Hard shoulder? why in the name of God does it need to be wider???
are they proposin a whole new road and Bridge???

LillyVanilli

Heres a link to the proposed routes. Some of the options would need a new bridge, and some of the routes follow the current N25. This is a plan from the EU as far as I know to create a motorway from Belfast to Rosslare. Its the EU thats funding it also. Its crazy and not needed at all.

Judgement Day

Yes it's part of the EU masterplan, a motorway from Larne to Lisbon in Portugal - I kid you not. Where is the EU's much trumpeted pro-rail policy when it is wanted? CIE would have closed both lines into Rosslare Harbour years ago except for public protest.

jd

This is a long way off. It looks like the proposed road passes slightly to the west of the the Heritage Park for the C and D routes (something like http://www.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=52.36407,-6.528625&spn=0.080505,0.154324&t=h&z=13&msid=115073925642264026859.0004894077c9a18de6614) . The bypass of Enniscorthy will be motorway, my own view is that it should continue as a motorway at least until the first exit to Wexford town coming from the North, after that 2+2 dual carriageway should be sufficient (and probably necessary, the by pass currently has about 18k traffic movements a day). I'm fairly agnostic about whether it should be an on-line upgrade of the current by pass, but if it is online those roundabouts should go.

BTW if you ring the council road office in Enniscorthy they will post you out a leaflet. I rang them yesterday and received mine today. There is a questionnaire attached with space for your own comments

timmywex

Lets bypass a bypass that theres nothing wrong with!

Theyd be better pushed to upgrade the current roads and roads in general with the money, adding extra lanes in places, resurfacing etc. Between land aquisitions and building the road, theres hundreds of millions there to be pumped into fixing the current one!

But saying that, ill bet that in 20 years time no more will have happened with it.

How long is it now that a new garda station has been in the pipelines? About 20 years aswell!?

HighWire

Does anyone have details of the Enniscorthy by-pass?

jd

There is a whole thread about the N11 in the Infrastructure Forum
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=195159

Map I posted in n11 thread below!

LillyVanilli

Can anyone link to where its stated that its going to be a Motorway rather than a dual carraigeway?

shanebrk

Well they are hardly going to build another National Route are they?

Cantona's Collars

The blue line on the map is motorway and the black line is dual carraigeway with a link road between the two about a 2.5 km north of Enniscorthy.

LillyVanilli

zerks wrote: »

The blue line on the map is motorway and the black line is dual carraigeway with a link road between the two about a 2.5 km north of Enniscorthy.

How about the section from wexford town to rosslare?

shanebrk

LillyVanilli wrote: »

How about the section from wexford town to rosslare?

you mean oilgate to rosslare? Town to rosslare will be a mix of N25 and M11 by the looks of it

sallysaucer101

Does anyone know which are the prefered routes? Route G is going right beside the home place and am not happy about it! :mad: :mad: :mad:

jd

There is no "official" preferred route yet.

Two of the routes knock out my parents place.

Not happy about this.

jd

Detailed maps are now available at
http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/NationalRoadsLiaisonOffice/OilgateRosslareHarbourProject/

Also submissions can be made online

gym_mom

I've yet to come across a good reason for this road. Anyone who uses the Rosslare road regularly knows well that there is never and I mean NEVER a traffic problem on it. NO, not even on a bank holiday, not even when everyone is heading to the beach. The road is more than sufficient for it's purpose Once you get out of Enniscorthy, the road from Oilgate is a piece of cake. On one had we are told that the country is sinking and on the other they can spend millions on unnecessary roads that will serve little or no purpose, and rather knock down people's homes and steam through areas of natural beauty instead. Bloody rediculous. Time to sack those WASTERS involved in this waste of resources.

jd

From the Wexford People

Quote:

COMMUNITIES who had been united against the Rosslare to Oylegate motorway are now going it alone, with some already backing routes that cut through the parishes of their former friends.
An umbrella group, representing communities against the proposed new motorway, held its first meeting just last July, with Miles Deas, a member of the Barntown committee, elected as its chairman.
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The main argument put forward by the joint committee has been that a motorway is not needed
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correspondence from the NRA and County Manager Eddie Breen has made it abundantly clear that this is not an option and the motorway will proceed as planned.
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Barntown is now pushing route H, which cuts through Cleariestown and Murrintown. The Crossabeg committee is also in favour of this option, as it is the only route not running through the parish.
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Wexford County Council County Manager Eddie Breen said the preferred route will be announced at the end of this year.

David900

As someone who lives quite near all of these proposed routes I would be in favour of the new road. I agree there are other areas of the road that need immediate attention such as the Enniscorthy bypass and the road past Jack White's but these will be done in time as the plan is to have a motorway from Rosslare to Dublin. I would hope a bit of common sense would prevail and the route chosen would not go through the heritage park but I can't see this happening.

As I said I live on or near all of these proposed routes and would like to see anything that encourages inward investment into Wexford, I find the comments like 'its in my garden' or 'near the parents place' quite selfish and this plan will be for the good of the region. I know the CPO process is not perfect but people directly affected by the road will be compensated.

foolelle

what about older people who wouldnt be up to moving?

mowhawk

As long as it does not go near any of our esteemed politicians back gardens it should be okay.

And at the risk of going off topic perhaps we should consider extending it to West Cork to cut down on Ivor Calelly's expenses.

Sure we would save the cost of it in no time at all.

David900

foolelle wrote: »

what about older people who wouldnt be up to moving?

Well obviously the system is not perfect, but if this was the case nothing would ever be built.

jpb1974

like to see anything that encourages inward investment into Wexford

When you say inward investment do you mean money being spent on the proposed new road surface or do you mean that the road will result in inward investment from other parties looking to take advantage of the road?

Cantona's Collars

Infrastructure is needed for progress-how nice would it be to drive from Wexford to Dublin in less than an hour.As much as people hate it-Dublin is the central hub of the country and we need decent links to it to encourage industry and business to move to other areas outside the pale.
For years we have had too much insular thinking and fear of progress,the 'NO MOTORWAY THROUGH CROSSABEG' signs on the N11 are an example of such thinking.Nobody want's a CPO of their land or homes but that's progress and they'll be paid for it unlike say China where they get thrown out on the street as the bulldozers move in.

jpb1974

how nice would it be to drive from Wexford to Dublin in less than an hour

It'd be nice too if you could get the train to Dublin in less than an hour... but that's another story.

jpb1974

Does anyone know how much an affected party would receive in compensation (ballpark)?

Cantona's Collars

jpb1974 wrote: »

Does anyone know how much an affected party would receive in compensation (ballpark)?

Get some of the Government departments involved and they'd get double the money.;):D:D:D

jpb1974

I'd be very interested to know what sort of money were talking about here.

I mean... depending on where your house is located in relation to the new road it could make it almost impossible to sell.

So are you being paid enough to walk away from the house or just enough to make you feel happy for a nice holiday, a new car and the rest of your life watching vehicles zoom past your sitting room window?

David900

jpb1974 wrote: »

When you say inward investment do you mean money being spent on the proposed new road surface or do you mean that the road will result in inward investment from other parties looking to take advantage of the road?

Well the road would obviously give jobs to local people during the construction process but when finished would encourage industry to locate in Wexford due to the good road network and links to mainland Europe through Rosslare; this wouldn't occur straight away but would encourage it in the long term.

I'm not sure what you mean about how much compensation you would receive; it obviously depends on the property you have. If you have a house, you would receive a lot more than someone with agricultural land. You won't receive compensation for a possible fall in value of your property if the proposed route does not pass directly through your property i.e. if you have a house right next to the road. It is very bad economic timing though for people who receive a CPO notice though. The value of the land stands from the value on the day of notice served so if someone receives a notice today but the deal isn't concluded for another five years they would only receive the value today, even if values have recovered in five years. This occurs both ways though. A lump sum is normally added onto the value though just to encourage people to settle.

jpb1974

To be honest... if someone told me that there was going to be a motorway running a couple of hundred meters away from my house I would go absolutely mental.

I wouldn't give a flying phuck about how long it takes to get to Dublin or if there was a prospect of a few factories popping up about the place.

All well and good for some people... but for me it might well be the case of having a house I can't sell and very little peace and privacy for the rest of my days there.

I can feel for the people that are possibly affected by this. I value my peace and privacy more than a few thousand euro.

RKQ

zerks wrote: »

Infrastructure is needed for progress-....
For years we have had too much insular thinking and fear of progress,the 'NO MOTORWAY THROUGH CROSSABEG' signs on the N11 are an example of such thinking. Nobody want's a CPO of their land or homes but that's progress and they'll be paid for it .

Have to agree 100%. CPO would be hard, if you lived there all your life but it might be great if your house is tired & worn - a chance of a fresh start in a new dream home.

The motorway is needed - that progress. A CPO could be a new start, depends on whether your glass is half full or half empty.

jpb1974

What about the homes that would be close enough to the proposed route to have their peace and quiet taken from them but not close enough for a CPO?

What about the people who've lived in a family home for a number of generations who don't want to move?

What about elderly people who are too old for relocating?

Personally I don't resent development and anyone that isn't affected probably isn't overly concerned either... but there are 2 sides to every story and it's easy for people who aren't affected to talk about fresh starts when it's not their own circumstances that are affected.

Same applies to the Castle nightclub... do I care that it's re-opening... 'no'.... does it affect me... 'no'... do I understand and accept that people living within the vicinity are going to lose out on their peace and quiet... 'yes'... do I feel for them... 'yes'... would I feel the same if I were in their shoes... 'yes'.

It's not about seeing the glass as either half full or half empty... it's about seeing it from both perspectives.

RKQ

Comparing the opening of the Castle niteclub to the building of a new Motorway is crazy.

Comparing a few people that chose to live beside a niteclub and now might find it a bit noisey can not compare to the inconvience of having to move home after the Government forced you out after Council issued CPO.

I feel for those issued a CPO, its not nice to have to sell your home or land.

But without CPO we will remain a second rate Country with very poor infrastructure. Progress causes upset and disruption but those affected will be compensated fully - unlike those in Fascist or Communist States.

I see the positives of a new motorway - the convience of travel, improved transport will bring jobs, bring us into 21st century. So for the sake of this Countries future, our children and the democratic majority - my glass is definately half full.

I wish the Enniscorthy by-pass & New Ross by-pass were complete so the Towns would cease to be one big traffic jam. Crazy places on a Friday afternoon - smell the fumes of petrol.

jpb1974

Comparing a few people that chose to live beside a niteclub and now might find it a bit noisey can not compare to the inconvience of having to move home after the Government forced you out after Council issued CPO.

I wasn't even remotely attempting to compare like for like.

It was meant as a simple example of how I choose to look at situations both from a positive impact and a negative impact.