I think the CB are going about this the wrong way. By linking the redevelopment of Pairc Ui Caoimh and the Centre of Excellence together they risk both projects which do not necessarily need to be delivered on the same site. In fact, I am of the opinion that the GAA and the City would be better served in having these elements in different locations. I think it is absolutely essential to have the Pairc redeveloped on the existing site, as it is an absolutely fantastic location for a stadium, close to the city centre, facing the river, and at the edge of the future redeveloped docklands.
A redeveloped stadium, with associated uses [hotel, museum, bar/restaurants, cultural uses] will actually complement the Docklands Strategy including the objective to deliver a much needed Regional Scale park. The positioning of the training pitch however, is disastrous in terms of the impact on the planned park and will not be consistent with the objective to deliver public amenities in that location. Its location and layout means that it completely severs the overall area and creates a barrier right in the centre of the site.
I really hope the Cb don't try to blackmail the city council and throw the baby out with the bathwater on this. i have a bad feeling that the City Council's real concerns over the impact of the training pitch etc are going to be twisted around in order to push an unsatisfactory solution here that nobody should be happy with. I am also concerned about the lack of detail on the CB's plans for the redevelopment of the stadium - will it be a piecemeal half-baked job with no coherent overall design? Because, although the Pairc is currently in a shocking state, its biggest attraction as a venue is the fact that its a single structure with a single design ethos and has a cracking atmosphere as a result. this will be destroyed if all we get are four amateur-standard new stands are constructed independently [semple's biggest disadvantage is that it looks like it was built by four seperate local builders].
We shouldn't accept anything less than the best for this site. that goes for both GAA people and the general public. this reliance on stuff about what's good for the gaa is good for cork is just neanderthal. the general public should not lose out on a planned amenity because the CB simply decide to insist on a training pitch. similarly, the gaa public should not lose out on a top class stadium because the CB decide to embark on a route that favours political gesturing and power-plays rather than competent delivery of high quality sports facilities.
However, my gut feeling is that the Cork CB prefers to go down the route of Evening Echo front page politics, rolling out the Cork Mafia and will try to bully their way to a bad solution. In my opinion, this will ultimately fail [regardless of what Cork City council vote on next week] because even if the CB get their hands on the additional land required, it makes the planning and legal process much much more challenging. It is highly unlikely, for instance, that An Bord Pleanala will accept the undermining of the City Development Plan objectives, by effectively privatising a large chunk of centrally located land designated for public amenities - [cork has one of the lowest levels of green space in any western european city so this park is a huge project, bigger than a single trainig pitch]. Even if the City Council are forced to amend those specific land designations, the project may be refused on strategic grounds.
Apologies for long post - I am just sick of going to the Pairc walking through puddles and weeds, using those toilets, looking at the state of the place - and when an opportunity comes along to sort it out, the CB look like they are going to do it completely arseways.....
Deedsie wrote: »
I could find very little information, that showed the plans? It is a shame it wont be a municipal stadium. The Irish teams could and should play occasionally in Cork.
munchkin_utd wrote: »
only have to roll in with the views here that the stadium in Cork should not be GAA only, and im coming from a GAA point of view that big f*ck off stadium projects should NOT be sucking all the cash out of the association when the cash should be instead flowing into promoting and building up grassroots GAA in the urban areas.
On the other hand, theres not really anything to argue about.
The FAI will never host a soccer game with 60000 spectators outside of Landsdowne cos their share of that stadium has to be paid for and the season ticket holders kept happy.
The IRFU are the same but different. For big rugby games and friendlys they have Landsdowne road to use for free and season ticket holders (who are paying big cash in advance) to keep happy. Not to mention that they have players wages in 4 provincial teams to pay so the more cash the better. Why rent a stadium in Cork when they have their own one lying empty in Dublin?
And for smaller games that season ticket holders wouldnt mind missing, they OWN Thomond park that is a tidy modern 25000 seater arena.
Plus, if Munster Rugby (who are simply a division of the IRFU) have a game too big for Thomond, then Landsdowne will be always be the venue seeing as Munster (aka IRFU) own it.
So to be honest.
Even if the GAA were to go mad and offered the FAI or IRFU to come in as partners they wouldnt.
They are already tied to the 2 new stadiums in Dublin and Limerick and thats the reality of the matter.
Deedsie wrote: »
It would be great PR if they at least approached the IRFU and the FAI on the matter. I'm a GAA supporter first and foremost, I think the best way to get a foothold in the urban areas is to be in some way accommodating to other sports.
dowlingm wrote: »
The CCB won't be happy until not only they've bulldozed the Council into their whims for the Pairc but also been given for no bobs Musgrave Park and Turners Cross.
No, Frank, we haven't forgotten your grab of Flower Lodge. My old man played on it when young and he said it was the best playing surface in Cork.