scotty cameron madness

truebluechippy

Was looking around ebay and came across this now am in missing something or is this the norm bidding is now at 746 euro for a putter !!!!!!!:eek:

i know scottys arent cheap but this is madness here is the link

http://cgi.ebay.ie/Scotty-Cameron-Tour-Newport-350g-SSS-/190402942118?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Golf_GolfClubs_JN&hash=item2c54e654a6

K4t

I always laugh when I see a putter on sale for more than two hundred euro. At a certain point, the only value you can put on a putter is your success rate with said putter. It's mostly kids and a few over eager adults who buy into that kind of nonsense with the scotty cameron putter above.

aster99

For that money you'd never again want a 3 putt!!!!

sweetswing

the people who buy theses crazy priced putters dont buy them to play with, they collect them like people collect stamps, i **** you not

Rowley Birkin QC

Putters are all the same.

There, I said it.

Trampas

Your putter should be the most expensive club in the bag as it is the club you use most.

PhilipMarlowe

Lol no, your putter should be your favourite and most successful club in your bag alright
Here's a guy who's putter is certainly his most expensive club...
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/06/10/1489777/golfer-lightens-load-uses-imagination.html

Clareman

aster99 wrote: »

For that money you'd never again want a 2 putt!!!!

FYP

fullstop

It's a tour issue, very rare and a collectors item...so whatever you're into.

uptheroyals

some people spend money on their cars as a hobbie, some people go on holidays with their spare cash, and some people collect cameron putters? i dont see the big deal? dont think that these guys are going to use this putter, this will gol straight into a putter rack. its a massive thing among americans, i think dearest cameron ever sold was $25,000. They're looking for one off's made for tour pros (circle t stamp), or "1st of 500's", or the jat stamp (just a thought). even the headcovers go for mad money!!

good website if anyone is interested is www.cameroncollector.com

Su Campu

Sorry but what's the fascination with Scotty Camerons? I've only heard of them in the last year or so and don't get what's different about them

uptheroyals

i think the only way to explain it is like whats the fascination women have with gucci or prada. Scotty is a brand, and a very good marketer. People see all the tour pros using them and said id like a bita that, same way women see brands on catwalks and want a handbag!! in reality scotty camerons are the worst performing putters on off centre hits PROVEN!! but tour pros like the look, like the feel, and rarely hit it off centre!!

BunkerMentality

uptheroyals wrote: »

i think the only way to explain it is like whats the fascination women have with gucci or prada. Scotty is a brand, and a very good marketer. People see all the tour pros using them and said id like a bita that, same way women see brands on catwalks and want a handbag!! in reality scotty camerons are the worst performing putters on off centre hits PROVEN!! but tour pros like the look, like the feel, and rarely hit it off centre!!

Good day for you so far, having PROVEN(!!) that scotty camerons perform worst and that Yes putters are PROVEN as being the best

f22

uptheroyals wrote: »

in reality scotty camerons are the worst performing putters on off centre hits PROVEN!!

Worst performing? An exageration if ever I saw one, does it perform worse than this pvd putter for $30

Mister Sifter

Nobody likes a yes man.

shawpower

Winning bid: £831.00

Approximately EUR 1,011.53

:eek::eek:

Su Campu

I played with two guys in a club competition recently who seemed to be totally focussed on how they looked and what equipment they had. They were criticising my choice of driver as it is not a €350 branded model, but one I picked up off a mate for 50 quid. I was still hitting 300yd drives with it but they couldn't grasp the idea that I use it because I like it and not because of the name that's on it. They said I should buy a branded one and would hit it better (more than 300yds?), so we put it to the test. I later hit a ball with mine and one with one of the guys' Ping G5. Mine went 40yds further.

They never said a word after that.

One of the also had a Scotty Cameron putter. I asked him what was the deal with these, what makes them such a "good" putter.

"It's a great brand", he said.

"Yeah, but why is it such a good putter?"

"They're the best selling putter around".

"Yeah but what makes them such a good putter? Why did you buy it? What is it about it that makes you play it over another one? Is it the look, weight, feel? what"

"Er, dunno, it's just a great brand. Anyone I know who has one never gets rid of it."

I just don't get some people.... :rolleyes:

L.O.F.T

Su Campu wrote: »

I was still hitting 300yd drives with it :They said I should buy a branded one and would hit it better (more than 300yds?)

I just don't get some people.... :rolleyes:

An neither do I, 300 yards, your having a laugh. You belong here:

PGA Tour Driving stats 2010:

Driving Distance

Rank Leader Rounds Total
T1 Dustin Johnson 53 304.5
T1 Bubba Watson 45 304.5
3 Angel Cabrera 44 304.3
4 J.B. Holmes 58 302.4
5 Graham DeLaet 44 301.8

TOUR Average 45 283.4

Trekker09

Su Campu wrote: »

I played with two guys in a club competition recently who seemed to be totally focussed on how they looked and what equipment they had. They were criticising my choice of driver as it is not a €350 branded model, but one I picked up off a mate for 50 quid. I was still hitting 300yd drives with it but they couldn't grasp the idea that I use it because I like it and not because of the name that's on it. They said I should buy a branded one and would hit it better (more than 300yds?), so we put it to the test. I later hit a ball with mine and one with one of the guys' Ping G5. Mine went 40yds further.

They never said a word after that.

One of the also had a Scotty Cameron putter. I asked him what was the deal with these, what makes them such a "good" putter.

"It's a great brand", he said.

"Yeah, but why is it such a good putter?"

"They're the best selling putter around".

"Yeah but what makes them such a good putter? Why did you buy it? What is it about it that makes you play it over another one? Is it the look, weight, feel? what"

"Er, dunno, it's just a great brand. Anyone I know who has one never gets rid of it."

I just don't get some people.... :rolleyes:

Agree, but isn't it satisying when they tee up on the 1st, baseball cap on and sunglasses reversed, all matching threads with all the names, and then go on ot top, slice or dribble the ball

Su Campu

L.O.F.T wrote: »

An neither do I, 300 yards, your having a laugh. You belong here:

PGA Tour Driving stats 2010:

Driving Distance

Rank Leader Rounds Total
T1 Dustin Johnson 53 304.5
T1 Bubba Watson 45 304.5
3 Angel Cabrera 44 304.3
4 J.B. Holmes 58 302.4
5 Graham DeLaet 44 301.8

TOUR Average 45 283.4

I measure my drives, I had one 305yds, one 300yds, but most were around 285-290yds.

Speak Now

Trekker09 wrote: »

Agree, but isn't it satisying when they tee up on the 1st, baseball cap on and sunglasses reversed, all matching threads with all the names, and then go on ot top, slice or dribble the ball

conno16

Trekker09 wrote: »

Agree, but isn't it satisying when they tee up on the 1st, baseball cap on and sunglasses reversed, all matching threads with all the names, and then go on ot top, slice or dribble the ball

thats why one should always play conservative on the first tee
no need to put down an immediate marker

L.O.F.T

Su Campu wrote: »

I measure my drives, I had one 305yds, one 300yds, but most were around 285-290yds.

I believe you....!

GreeBo

Su Campu wrote: »

I played with two guys in a club competition recently..... so we put it to the test. I later hit a ball with mine and one with one of the guys' Ping G5.

So you went out and played more holes and they walked out 300 yrds to measure your drives? :rolleyes:

Or you DQ'ed yourself from the comp you were playing?

Or you are telling porkies;)

Su Campu

GreeBo wrote: »

So you went out and played more holes and they walked out 300 yrds to measure your drives? :rolleyes:

Or you DQ'ed yourself from the comp you were playing?

Or you are telling porkies;)

After hitting our normal tee shots on one hole we agreed to hit one unofficial ball each which was not part of the competition. Not sure if that's against the rules, as the balls were not deemed in play? Maybe it is, if so then it was a stupid thing to do. :rolleyes: But none of us were near winning anything so in that view it didn't matter.

IITYWYBMAD

Su Campu wrote: »

After hitting our normal tee shots on one hole we agreed to hit one unofficial ball each which was not part of the competition. Not sure if that's against the rules, as the balls were not deemed in play? Maybe it is, if so then it was a stupid thing to do. :rolleyes: But none of us were near winning anything so in that view it didn't matter.

Sharing equipment is against the rules. Either way, it's not about the distance, it's about the control. I'm sure GMAC and Tim Clark will tell you that.

As for measuring, a golf buddy will tell you how far, or most course markers are fairly accurate.

Speak Now

Su Campu wrote: »

After hitting our normal tee shots on one hole we agreed to hit one unofficial ball each which was not part of the competition. Not sure if that's against the rules, as the balls were not deemed in play? Maybe it is, if so then it was a stupid thing to do. :rolleyes: But none of us were near winning anything so in that view it didn't matter.

Rules still matter if you're winning or not.

Su Campu

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Rules still matter if you're winning or not.

Oh I agree, and we were wrong to do it full stop. I just thought though the fact that we didn't share them in the competition itself was not an offence. We live and learn!

Mister Sifter

Scary how clueless some golfers are. It would almost put you playing in a club comp or open again.

L.O.F.T

Su Campu wrote: »

Oh I agree, and we were wrong to do it full stop. I just thought though the fact that we didn't share them in the competition itself was not an offence. We live and learn!

Su Campu I'm being sincere here and earlier posts may have come across as sarcastic but for the most part when commenting on shot distances, and there has been many a post here, there is always an element of exaggeration. A 10 handicapper becomes a 5, a 240 yard drive becomes a 300 yard fairway splitting drive a lob wedge regularly gets tossed 140 yards with 22ft of checking backspin and invariably those of us reading become skeptical. To see a 300 yard drive is rare (there will be probably be 10 posts claiming to see them every weekend now) and exceptional, especially one that finds the fairway. Some here may have hit the odd long drive in favorable conditions but its not the norm in my experience and the long club players I play with hit it solid and to around the 260 mark and slightly over at best which is out there. Only the Taylor fitted tour pros with shafts and heads to match their bodies and swings achieve those incredible distances. I should not doubt your ability but from past experience on reading about golfers ability's on this forum it is always with a pinch of salt that I read about long drives and club distances achieved. It was not my intention be-little your achievements.

Su Campu

L.O.F.T wrote: »

Su Campu I'm being sincere here and earlier posts may have come across as sarcastic but for the most part when commenting on shot distances, and there has been many a post here, there is always an element of exaggeration. A 10 handicapper becomes a 5, a 240 yard drive becomes a 300 yard fairway splitting drive a lob wedge regularly gets tossed 140 yards with 22ft of checking backspin and invariably those of us reading become skeptical. To see a 300 yard drive is rare (there will be probably be 10 posts claiming to see them every weekend now) and exceptional, especially one that finds the fairway. Some here may have hit the odd long drive in favorable conditions but its not the norm in my experience and the long club players I play with hit it solid and to around the 260 mark and slightly over at best which is out there. Only the Taylor fitted tour pros with shafts and heads to match their bodies and swings achieve those incredible distances. I should not doubt your ability but from past experience on reading about golfers ability's on this forum it is always with a pinch of salt that I read about long drives and club distances achieved. It was not my intention be-little your achievements.

I agree with you, but can assure you of my yardages as i Use a Garmin Geko 101 GPS, which is accurate to the nearest 2mtrs. Conditions were favourable with a good bit of roll, but some balls were carrying 260yds. Anyone who plays with me will tell you I hit it a long way, playing wedges where they play 7 irons, but will also tell you my short game's more than a bit dodgy!!

uptheroyals

f22 wrote: »

Worst performing? An exageration if ever I saw one, does it perform worse than this pvd putter for $30

ok more precision needed, putters tested at the time were manufactured by:

odyssey, rife, gel, taylor made, scotty cameron, bettinardi, yes, nike, heavy putters, and ping!! off centre hits camerons came out the worst. centred hits gel won with yes very very close, worst pure roll on centred strikes was odyssey!!

death1234567

L.O.F.T wrote: »

An neither do I, 300 yards, your having a laugh. You belong here:

PGA Tour Driving stats 2010:

Driving Distance

Rank Leader Rounds Total
T1 Dustin Johnson 53 304.5
T1 Bubba Watson 45 304.5
3 Angel Cabrera 44 304.3
4 J.B. Holmes 58 302.4
5 Graham DeLaet 44 301.8

TOUR Average 45 283.4

Wouldn't those stats include alot of drives with a 3 wood? If it was driver only I imagine there'd be alot more over 300+ average.

Tom Ghostwood

BunkerMentality wrote: »

Good day for you so far, having PROVEN(!!) that scotty camerons perform worst and that Yes putters are PROVEN as being the best

I just traded my Yes! tracy putter for a scotty cameron studio design 2.5.
I really liked the tracy but waaaaay prefer the scotty. Lovely click off the face & the weight is very similar to the yes! Looks much better at address too (main reason i switched)

Putters & putting strokes are the most personal thing in the game & there is no right or wrong choice.

Trekker09

death1234567 wrote: »

Wouldn't those stats include alot of drives with a 3 wood? If it was driver only I imagine there'd be alot more over 300+ average.

Was thinking the same, as a fair percentage of drives are for position rather than distance.

L.O.F.T - I see the point you are making, but I had a driver fitting last week in Kinsealy and my average drives were 220 - 230 yards carry. I was told that I could add on approximately 10% for roll to gauge my average driving distance. Now I would never consider myself a long driver of the ball, but my figures are nearly up there with your long hitters. I do agree with you about players bigging up their prowess however, you just have to read online reveiws of drivers etc to see guys claiming their new wonderstick has added 30 yards, sorted out their slice and are hitiing it over 300 yards!!

danthefan

I didn't really think it was particularly long hitting that differentiated professionals from us hackers tbh. More consistently excellent ball striking, accuracy, course management, short game, etc. I don't think someone saying they hit a drive 300yards is an unbelievable claim.

fullstop

death1234567 wrote: »

Wouldn't those stats include alot of drives with a 3 wood? If it was driver only I imagine there'd be alot more over 300+ average.

Measurements are only taken on 2 or 3 holes per round. These holes are usually driver holes, par 5s or long par 4s.

danthefan wrote: »

I didn't really think it was particularly long hitting that differentiated professionals from us hackers tbh. More consistently excellent ball striking, accuracy, course management, short game, etc. I don't think someone saying they hit a drive 300yards is an unbelievable claim.

Pretty much everything differentiates the pros from 'hackers' or even decent amateurs. All of the things you mentioned above, as well as much longer hitting in most cases. Most amateurs have swing speeds probably around 95-100mph for the driver. I'd be one of the longer hitters in my home club and I'm around 110mph. If you watch the PGA tour, on the holes where they have the launch monitor, they are consistently around 120mph clubhead speed. Add to this the fact that the pros find the middle of the club more often and their launch angle will be ideal and you can see why they should hit it much further.

danthefan

fullstop wrote: »

Measurements are only taken on 2 or 3 holes per round. These holes are usually driver holes, par 5s or long par 4s.



Pretty much everything differentiates the pros from 'hackers' or even decent amateurs. All of the things you mentioned above, as well as much longer hitting in most cases. Most amateurs have swing speeds probably around 95-100mph for the driver. I'd be one of the longer hitters in my home club and I'm around 110mph. If you watch the PGA tour, on the holes where they have the launch monitor, they are consistently around 120mph clubhead speed. Add to this the fact that the pros find the middle of the club more often and their launch angle will be ideal and you can see why they should hit it much further.

That's not true: http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?02401

There are 5 players on the PGA tour who average 120mph or more. If you're averaging 110mph you'd be as fast as a significant number of professionals.

What I'm trying to say is on the occassion an amatuer player finds the middle of the club with a drive the ball can go 300 yards, especially if the ground is hard and you get a bit of roll. I wouldn't dismiss the claim out of hand.

L.O.F.T

Trekker09 wrote: »

I had a driver fitting last week in Kinsealy and my average drives were 220 - 230 yards carry. I was told that I could add on approximately 10% for roll to gauge my average driving distance. Now I would never consider myself a long driver of the ball, but my figures are nearly up there with your long hitters

I know what your saying Trekker but your distance +10% is 253 yards and 30 yards less than the average tour player, 30 yards is allot short of the PGA tour Average.

danthefan wrote: »

I don't think someone saying they hit a drive 300yards is an unbelievable claim.

I never said that it was unbelievable but its the exception rather than the rule.

fullstop wrote: »

Measurements are only taken on 2 or 3 holes per round. These holes are usually driver holes, par 5s or long par 4s.
Pretty much everything differentiates the pros from 'hackers' or even decent amateurs. All of the things you mentioned above, as well as much longer hitting in most cases. Most amateurs have swing speeds probably around 95-100mph for the driver. I'd be one of the longer hitters in my home club and I'm around 110mph. If you watch the PGA tour, on the holes where they have the launch monitor, they are consistently around 120mph clubhead speed. Add to this the fact that the pros find the middle of the club more often and their launch angle will be ideal and you can see why they should hit it much further.

+1

L.O.F.T

danthefan wrote: »

That's not true: http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?02401

There are 5 players on the PGA tour who average 120mph or more. If you're averaging 110mph you'd be as fast as a significant number of professionals.

What I'm trying to say is on the occassion an amatuer player finds the middle of the club with a drive the ball can go 300 yards, especially if the ground is hard and you get a bit of roll. I wouldn't dismiss the claim out of hand.

On Occasion:hard ground: roll. My point is when guys / amateurs say they hit it 300 yards regular or there abouts. They might once when conditions are favorable, but its not their average driving distance, its a one off. The above figures you and I quoted from the PGA Tour are averages and they cant even achieve the 300 yards some amateurs claim to hit regularly.

fullstop

danthefan wrote: »

That's not true: http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?02401

There are 5 players on the PGA tour who average 120mph or more. If you're averaging 110mph you'd be as fast as a significant number of professionals.

What I'm trying to say is on the occassion an amatuer player finds the middle of the club with a drive the ball can go 300 yards, especially if the ground is hard and you get a bit of roll. I wouldn't dismiss the claim out of hand.

Ok, let me put this simply. I've just looked at the list you linked and ~40 of the players have fastest speeds measured >120mph. Those are the fastest and slowest measured speeds in ~50 attempts. What you need to remember is these guys are consistent (which is one of the main reasons they are touring professionals). We can say for sure that the fastest speed recorded by each player is using their driver, however the slowest speed is likely to be a 3 wood shot, as the chances are they probably hit a few 3 wood shots out of the 50. Look at Bill Haas - fastest speed 131mph, slowest 108, putting him under 120mph average. Surely that 108 is using no more than a 3-wood.

And yes, I would swing it as fast as a significant number of professionals, but I also swing it a lot slower than a significant number of them. I swing it ~110 with my driver, if I was using 3-wood, it would probably be ~100mph.

Su Campu

L.O.F.T wrote: »

On Occasion:hard ground: roll. My point is when guys / amateurs say they hit it 300 yards regular or there abouts. They might once when conditions are favorable, but its not their average driving distance, its a one off. The above figures you and I quoted from the PGA Tour are averages and they cant even achieve the 300 yards some amateurs claim to hit regularly.

While I'm averaging around 285yds at the moment, during winter that's around 245yds. So I agree conditions play a big part, harder ground, warmer ball, warmer air (it does have a small effect, drag is proportional to air density, so as air at 25°C is 9.1% less dense than air at 0°C, the drag on a ball will be that much less on a warm day, so will fly that bit farther, all other things being equal).

Though on some cases you see pros hitting 390yd or more when conditions allow (downwind etc), so these figures will also go into making up the averages.

L.O.F.T

Su Campu wrote: »

While I'm averaging around 285yds at the moment, during winter that's around 245yds. So I agree conditions play a big part, harder ground, warmer ball, warmer air (it does have a small effect, drag is proportional to air density, so as air at 25°C is 9.1% less dense than air at 0°C, the drag on a ball will be that much less on a warm day, so will fly that bit farther, all other things being equal)

I was wondering when you would use your skills from here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=374 to firm up a point . I'm a big time fan of that forum over there...great posts you do too

Apologies to the OP of this thread for going so off topic

The Recliner

Licksy wrote: »

Lol no, your putter should be your favourite and most successful club in your bag alright
Here's a guy who's putter is certainly his most expensive club...
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/06/10/1489777/golfer-lightens-load-uses-imagination.html

I had to do that once many moons ago in a junior competition in Strandhill, I left my putter on the practise green and didn't notice until we hit the first green

Used my driver for the round, after messing up badly with the first few putts I got used to it and was putting well for the second half of the round. Luckily enough we used to mess around when practising with using wedges and drivers for putters etc

The only problem I found was a lack of feel on the shorter pputts but I reckon you could become fairly handy with it with a bit of practise

mike12

seen as though this has gone down the how long route i'd be one of the longest hitters in my club and i'd average about 280 i get very little roll the 300 plus drives that u see the Pros get are the downhill down wind cutting dog legs on a lot of 400 yard par 4's a lot of amatures will find themselves at the 100 yard mark but again the hole is measured along the ground in the middle of the fairway following the shape of the hole so by it being down hill or a bit of a dog leg give u a false sense of how far u have hit it.
Mike

thelongfellow

There are plenty of guys in clubs out there that can hit it 300+ in the summer on a fairly regular basis. I play with a guy 6'4 has consistently generated swing speeds over 130mph in various simulators and on a warm summers day with no breeze can be getting close to 350 yards averages. Throw in the odd hook and a poor short game and thats the reason why he's a mid single figures handicapper.

There are plenty of guys who can bomb in past the tour averages but put them on a tour standard course with the associated rough length, tight fairways etc and they struggle.

challengemaster

L.O.F.T wrote: »

An neither do I, 300 yards, your having a laugh. You belong here:

PGA Tour Driving stats 2010:

Driving Distance

Rank Leader Rounds Total
T1 Dustin Johnson 53 304.5
T1 Bubba Watson 45 304.5
3 Angel Cabrera 44 304.3
4 J.B. Holmes 58 302.4
5 Graham DeLaet 44 301.8

TOUR Average 45 283.4

Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean other people can't.