Volkswagen Golf GTI - Looking to change

Vanbis

I currently drive a 05D Volkswagen Golf GTI and i am looking to change and upgrade to a 08D with low tax and Diesel.

I am currently looking at another Golf GT sport or a Volvo S40 . I would much rather stick to a hatchback model but am open to options.

Anyone else got any good reliable makes with a bit of poke as well?

si_guru

Octavia vRS?

si_guru

BMW 118d or 120d... or 123d - they have super low emissions I think.

homer90

Golf GTD

Shane732

Vanbis wrote: »

I currently drive a 05D Volkswagen Golf GTI and i am looking to change and upgrade to a 08D with low tax and Diesel.

I am currently looking at another Golf GT sport or a Volvo S40 . I would much rather stick to a hatchback model but am open to options.

Anyone else got any good reliable makes with a bit of poke as well?

http://www.compucars.co.uk/used-cars/mini/cooper-s/for-sale/?1217862

Anan1

Shane732 wrote: »

http://www.compucars.co.uk/used-cars/mini/cooper-s/for-sale/?1217862

That's a 2010 petrol, presumably high tax too?

R.O.R

Anan1 wrote: »

That's a 2010 petrol, presumably high tax too?

165g CO2 for a Mini John Cooper Works apparently, so 24% VRT and €447 per year tax. Not too bad, but I'd say you'd be looking €40k + landed.

Mc Love

An 08D?? Thats a bit snobbish

Anan1

R.O.R wrote: »

165g CO2 for a Mini John Cooper Works apparently, so 24% VRT and €447 per year tax.

That's not so bad at all actually, I would have expected it to be a lot worse.

.Longshanks.

Anan1 wrote: »

That's not so bad at all actually, I would have expected it to be a lot worse.

Older supercharged one's were a lot worse CO2 wise

Tea 1000

Vanbis wrote: »

I currently drive a 05D Volkswagen Golf GTI and i am looking to change and upgrade to a 08D with low tax and Diesel.

I am currently looking at another Golf GT sport or a Volvo S40 . I would much rather stick to a hatchback model but am open to options.

Anyone else got any good reliable makes with a bit of poke as well?

You mean downgrade. A 2 litre turbo petrol with 197bhp is a lot better than the run of the mill diesels you'll pick up with low emissions.

Vanbis

Mc Love wrote: »

An 08D?? Thats a bit snobbish

You think :eek:

Tea 1000 wrote: »

You mean downgrade. A 2 litre turbo petrol with 197bhp is a lot better than the run of the mill diesels you'll pick up with low emissions.

I drive allot so looking to change to a Diesel with the same power or near enough. I want to save on the cost of Petrol and tax which is why i am looking at anything from 08D upwards.

Also i do like the Mini Coopers but i would get slated from many friends if they saw me driving it
Thanks for the reply's.

JHMEG

Civic 2.2 iCTDi is only €156 to tax

Fizman

What kind of budget are you working with?

Vanbis

Fizman wrote: »

What kind of budget are you working with?

I'll be trading my car in against so anything from €18,000. If i see a car i like and it cost extra well i'll go the extra mile.

I've searched Carzone and rang a couple of dealers but some of deals on offer seem crazy to me.

Tea 1000

A 05 GTi will probably get around 12k on a trade in. That's 6k to buy an 18k car. Not too many 175+bhp diesels in 2008 for that kind of money. Remember also that 6,000 will buy a lot of petrol and tax for your current car!!

Vanbis

Tea 1000 wrote: »

A 05 GTi will probably get around 12k on a trade in. That's 6k to buy an 18k car. Not too many 175+bhp diesels in 2008 for that kind of money. Remember also that 6,000 will buy a lot of petrol and tax for your current car!!

I rang one garage and they offered me €10,000 on a trade in against a 08D Golf GT Diesel. I told them thanks but no thanks.

Eoin

Vanbis wrote: »

I drive allot so looking to change to a Diesel with the same power or near enough. I want to save on the cost of Petrol and tax which is why i am looking at anything from 08D upwards.

What type of mileage are you doing? It might take a really long time for the lower running costs to make a dent in the cost of upgrading.

Vanbis wrote: »

Also i do like the Mini Coopers but i would get slated from many friends if they saw me driving it

Are they paying for your car? Get a car you like!

Vanbis

eoin wrote: »

What type of mileage are you doing? It might take a really long time for the lower running costs to make a dent in the cost of upgrading.



Are they paying for your car? Get a car you like!

Id probably average 500km per week at the moment and its costing me. I do like the Mini but just not sure it will be great for comfort and long distance. I like the Volvo s40 and also Golf GT.

JJJJNR

Not sure if this would float your boat but I really like them.

Gumbo

Tea 1000 wrote: »

A 05 GTi will probably get around 12k on a trade in. That's 6k to buy an 18k car. Not too many 175+bhp diesels in 2008 for that kind of money. Remember also that 6,000 will buy a lot of petrol and tax for your current car!!

Vanbis wrote: »

I rang one garage and they offered me €10,000 on a trade in against a 08D Golf GT Diesel. I told them thanks but no thanks.

i could of had my choice of 2005 GTi's last year for 12-12.5k privately, including one DSG version. to be honest i think you'd be lucky to get 12k on a trade infor an 05 GTi.

there a cracking car and a great all rounder, great value in them tbh.
depending on your budget i would try get a 320d M-Sport or Octavia VRs but i dont think 18k will get you a 2008 model in them, may be wrong though?

PS - dont get bogged down on "one garage offered me 12k" and "the other garage offered me 10k" approach as its the cost to change that counts, so one garage may be giving you a lower trade in but a better discount or retail price on the new car if you get me.

Fizman

What about a '08 Lexus IS220d?

2.2 litre diesel outputting 175 bhp which is nice and pokey (my boss bought a '07 last week and I took it for a quick spin).

Tax for a '08 would be €447.

Nonoperational

I just bought a 2006 GTi with 50k on the clock privately for 11.5k. Is in nice nick too with a service history. 10k trade in isn't that off the wall.

vectra

Vanbis wrote: »

I currently drive a 05D and i am looking to change and upgrade to a 08D with low tax and Diesel.

No problem
Buy a "C" reg ..Instant upgrade

si_guru wrote: »

Octavia vRS?

Get in there ..!!

agree 100%
08 diesel vRS Octy would come in at budget for you

maddness

JJJJNR wrote: »

Not sure if this would float your boat but I really like them.

Those Laguna coupes are the business. Kinda like a cheap DB9 from behind

Shane732

Vanbis wrote: »

You think :eek:


I drive allot so looking to change to a Diesel with the same power or near enough. I want to save on the cost of Petrol and tax which is why i am looking at anything from 08D upwards.

Also i do like the Mini Coopers but i would get slated from many friends if they saw me driving it
Thanks for the reply's.

I drove a Mini Cooper and didn't actually get as much stick as I thought I'd get.... What do most of your friends drive?

A Stage 2 JCW is 220bhp and will do 0-60 in about 6 seconds and they absolutely stick to the ground. Much better car to drive than what I'm driving now.

Your friends will shut up once you've burnt them.

Shane732

Anan1 wrote: »

That's a 2010 petrol, presumably high tax too?

Sorry I didn't have time to find a 2008 model.

As already mentioned the JCW isn't actually that bad tax wise

Vanbis

JJJJNR wrote: »

Not sure if this would float your boat but I really like them.

Thanks but i don't like Renault or Peugeot so its a no go.

When i said €18,000 as a budget i ment with trading my GTI i would probably put a max of €8/9,000 not €18,000 plus GTI as a trade. I bought my current car for €21,500 a few years back and at the moment i don't really fancy spending the same again in the current market.

I was looking at Volvo s40 and Golf GT this model.... but i didn't like what they offered me for a trade in for this.
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/GOLF-GT-/201021198191501/advert?channel=CARS

Shane732

Vanbis wrote: »

Thanks but i don't like Renault or Peugeot so its a no go.

When i said €18,000 as a budget i ment with trading my GTI i would probably put a max of €8/9,000 not €18,000 plus GTI as a trade. I bought my current car for €21,500 a few years back and at the moment i don't really fancy spending the same again in the current market.

I was looking at Volvo s40 and Golf GT this model.... but i didn't like what they offered me for a trade in for this.
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/GOLF-GT-/201021198191501/advert?channel=CARS

KEEP THE GTI

Vanbis

Anyone have any opinions on a Seat Leon 1.9ltr TDI ?

Vertakill

eoin wrote: »

What type of mileage are you doing? It might take a really long time for the lower running costs to make a dent in the cost of upgrading.

I'm in agreement with eoin here.

Nearly every car mentioned here sounds like a downgrade to me and you're also handing over money.
Unless you plan on keeping the next car you buy for a long time, I don't see how you'll be saving money by getting a low tax diesel as a replacement.

Unless there's some niggling issues with the GTi, I'd keep it.

I like the GTi and certainly didn't expect the price of 04/05 to be around the 10-12k mark. Madness!

Vanbis

Vertakill wrote: »

I'm in agreement with eoin here.

Nearly every car mentioned here sounds like a downgrade to me and you're also handing over money.
Unless you plan on keeping the next car you buy for a long time, I don't see how you'll be saving money by getting a low tax diesel as a replacement.

Unless there's some niggling issues with the GTi, I'd keep it.

I like the GTi and certainly didn't expect the price of 04/05 to be around the 10-12k mark. Madness!

Id do about 500km a week easily so petrol wise it goes through it. If i change the plan would be to keep the car for 5 years but we all say that.

shogunpower

123d coupe msport!

Vanbis

shogunpower wrote: »

123d coupe msport!

I'm looking at getting a Diesel 08D for cheap tax and fuel with the miles i do every week. I dont want to spend a fortune on car either again, i'm already losing trading in the GTI like so many others have.

.Longshanks.

Vanbis wrote: »

Id do about 500km a week easily so petrol wise it goes through it. If i change the plan would be to keep the car for 5 years but we all say that.

Im half watching the football at the time of writing this so somebody else can check the figures

If your doing about 500km's (~300 miles) per week id say your golf is averaging about 34mpg? (if your sitting in heavy traffic most of the day the following all goes out the window)

Your golf has a 55 litre tank (12 gallons). 34 mpg x 12 gallons = 408 miles (650 kms).
500 kms per week x 50 weeks a year = 25,000 per year (everybody has at least 1 holiday )
25,000km per year / 650 km per tank = 38.4 tanks a year

Assuming petrol @ €1.30 per litre it takes €71.50 to fill from empty (55 x 1.30). 38.4 times a year = €2,745 a year in petrol


If you got a TDI golf the same 55 litres (12 gallons) will give you about 50mpg. 50 x 12 gallons = 600 miles (960 kms)
25,000 / 960 km per tank = 26 tanks a year

Assuming diesel @ €1.20 per litre it takes €66.00 to fill from empty (55 x 1.20). 26 times a year = €1,584 a year in diesel

So a TDI golf will be €1161 cheaper in fuel over the petrol GTI a year

You need to work out if you the cost to change is worth the €1161 saving in fuel over the year.......

(The above ignores any savings in tax or insurance)



Edit
2000th post. Hope it was worth it

Vanbis

kev_Longshanks100 wrote: »

Im half watching the football at the time of writing this so somebody else can check the figures

If your doing about 500km's (~300 miles) per week id say your golf is averaging about 34mpg? (if your sitting in heavy traffic most of the day the following all goes out the window)

Your golf has a 55 litre tank (12 gallons). 34 mpg x 12 gallons = 408 miles (650 kms).
500 kms per week x 50 weeks a year = 25,000 per year (everybody has at least 1 holiday )
25,000km per year / 650 km per tank = 38.4 tanks a year

Assuming petrol @ €1.30 per litre it takes €71.50 to fill from empty (55 x 1.30). 38.4 times a year = €2,745 a year in petrol


If you got a TDI golf the same 55 litres (12 gallons) will give you about 50mpg. 50 x 12 gallons = 600 miles (960 kms)
25,000 / 960 km per tank = 26 tanks a year

Assuming diesel @ €1.20 per litre it takes €66.00 to fill from empty (55 x 1.20). 26 times a year = €1,584 a year in diesel

So a TDI golf will be €1161 cheaper in fuel over the petrol GTI a year

You need to work out if you the cost to change is worth the €1161 saving in fuel over the year.......

(The above ignores any savings in tax or insurance)



Edit
2000th post. Hope it was worth it

Well worth it

I think i will probably end up changing to a Diesel.

Squall19

A decent low tax diesel with 170bhp+ will cost you at least 6k with your golf gti.

How is it worth it?

It will take you a minimum of 3 years to claw back even a cent with fuel, tax savings etc! 3 years!!! Thats a long time.

300 miles a week is nothing to worry about, if it was a day then you might have to change, but weekly thats only barely over average milage.

You will be pushing it too to get 50mpg from a higher powered diesel.I have a Fabia vrs with just under 170bhp and with mixed driving its around 45-48mpg.Thats with the old 1.9tdi which is alot better on juice than the new 2.0tdi and the Fabia is lighter too than the cars mention Octavia, Accord etc.

I would keep to Gti myself or sell it and get a 5k 1.9tdi runaround if you want to spare money.Your just wasting it now imo with this idea.

Nonoperational

You'd have to be going very lightly indeed to get 650 Km out of the tank on the GTi...

.Longshanks.

gpf101 wrote: »

You'd have to be going very lightly indeed to get 650 Km out of the tank on the GTi...

I did say about 34 mpg & I all assummed the tank was ran dry.
TBH id also say 600 km's is do'able if you were crusing most of the time on the motorway*

*I've never owned a GTI & these are my estimations based on my own 32mpg car with a 42 litre tank

Vanbis

I wouldn't say i get anymore then 30mpg in the GTI at the moment and i'm spending about €65 filling up nearly every 8/9 days.

The Seat Leon i was looking at is a 1.9TDI 105bhp and can do 60mpg.

.Longshanks.

Vanbis wrote: »

I wouldn't say i get anymore then 30mpg in the GTI at the moment and i'm spending about €65 filling up nearly every 8/9 days.

The Seat Leon i was looking at is a 1.9TDI 105bhp and can do 60mpg.

From a GTI to that.
Nooooooooo......

Vanbis

kev_Longshanks100 wrote: »

From a GTI to that.
Nooooooooo......

Yeah i know, its quite slugish alright and takes a while to get some speed . I was looking at a Golf TDI 170bhp, just not prepared to pay the money again with the current marget. As some have said you've had your fun with the GTI.

mooman

How about one of these . I know thats a 07' model but carzone didn't have any diesel 08's.

Squall19

Vanbis wrote: »

Yeah i know, its quite slugish alright and takes a while to get some speed . I was looking at a Golf TDI 170bhp, just not prepared to pay the money again with the current marget. As some have said you've had your fun with the GTI.

I saw a 06 Fabia Vrs on donedeal last week for 6.5k, remapped one wouldnt be far behind your current Gti.If you could get a similar deal you would be on the right track imo.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1351274

Vanbis

mooman wrote: »

How about one of these . I know thats a 07' model but carzone didn't have any diesel 08's.

That is very nice , milege is a slightly high for my liking. I'll have a look around for a few more of these.

JJJJNR

I can see your point OP, I changed from a 1.8 Vtec to a 2.0 TDI and was blown away by the fuel savings at one stage I was filling the car once every two weeks.

I know theres no science to the above, but it just feels better to be able to stretch visits to the pumps no matter what, I'd say the fuel figures for the GTI would scare the bejesus out of me.

Have you looked at the SEAT EXEO ?

Vanbis

I'm currently looking at two cars and not sure which one

Golf GT Sport - this car would cost at least €7,000 plus my GTI
http://tinyurl.com/34wz3mz

Seat Leon 1.9 TDI 105bhp - this car will only cost me €1,500 plus my GTI
http://tinyurl.com/39azmfn

JJJJNR

Your quids in then, Leon all the way.

JHMEG

Op, test drive the Leon before you decide. That engine is about as agricultural as you can get in a road vehicle, and is far removed from your GTI.

Vanbis

JJJJNR wrote: »

Your quids in then, Leon all the way.

Its a good deal with the trade, quite surprised just not crazy on the colour.

JHMEG wrote: »

Op, test drive the Leon before you decide. That engine is about as agricultural as you can get in a road vehicle, and is far removed from your GTI.

I brought it for a test drive already, quite slugish. The GTI is far quicker and off the mark, the Leon takes a while to get going buts its quick...ish.

Nonoperational

kev_Longshanks100 wrote: »

I did say about 34 mpg & I all assummed the tank was ran dry.
TBH id also say 600 km's is do'able if you were crusing most of the time on the motorway*

*I've never owned a GTI & these are my estimations based on my own 32mpg car with a 42 litre tank

Ya your not far off the mark all the same.