Osamma Found AGAIN, Guess Where ;)

Mahatma coat

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/bin-laden-aides-hiding-in-iran/story-e6frfku0-1225877288776

AL-QAEDA leader Usama bin Laden and his top deputies have been living in a town in northeastern Iran for the past five years, and Turkish intelligence officials knew about it, Israeli intelligence claims.

Turkish intelligence officials were aware that the terror mastermind, along with top ranking al Qaeda officials including number two Ayman al-Zawahiri, have been living in the remote mountainous town of Savzevar. the Israel-based intelligence news service DEBKAfile reported today.

The leak to a Kuwaiti newspaper of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan’s knowledge that Iran has been harbouring bin Laden was meant to show the Obama administration how closely Turkey is now tied to the Islamic regime in Tehran, according to DEBKAfile.

US intelligence sources said last month that senior al Qaeda operatives in Iran had been allowed to leave the country through Syria to plot attacks on American targets, the report said.


Until now, bin Laden has been believed to be hiding closer to the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

Must be true, the Israelis wouldnt tell us lies, would they??

digme

So sad people buy into this sh!te

My name is URL

Unbelievable..

I don't know what else to say about it

nullzero

He's probably in a retirement village in Florida in reality.

Mahatma coat

thing is tho, a lot of Rather Moronic people will believe this drivel:rolleyes:

Di0genes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/bin-laden-aides-hiding-in-iran/story-e6frfku0-1225877288776




Must be true, the Israelis wouldnt tell us lies, would they??

And when unnamed Indian Security sources tell us 100k was wired to Atta the day before the 9/11 attacks it's taken as gospel by conspiracy theorists.

Or when it's claimed that he received dialysis in a US run hospital a month before the attack

Richard tea

About 5 weeks ago at this stage, a guy that breeds falcons said that he met Usama in Iran a number of times. I smelt Bull**** straight away. The Yanks are just itching to invade Iran. Maybe they have WMD's:eek:

caseyann

Smells of Israel pitting everyone against everyone else and trying to take the attention off them?

sbsquarepants

Good auld bin Laden, always popping up right where the americans want to bomb, must be one of those adrenaline junkies or something:)

northwest100

oh man...how low will the israelis go?
they really want to bomb this place badly, don't they?

more garbage propaganda from the zionists.

northwest100

Di0genes wrote:

And when unnamed Indian Security sources tell us 100k was wired to Atta the day before the 9/11 attacks it's taken as gospel by conspiracy theorists.

Or when it's claimed that he received dialysis in a US run hospital a month before the attack

Considering Osama was an attack dog of the CIA and financed directly by the carter and reagan administrations BEFORE and AFTER the russian invasion of afghanistan.

I don't think it's too difficult to accept this man was still working for the CIA when 2 planes flew into the NY trade center...well, not for me.

My name is URL

Mahatma coat wrote: »

thing is tho, a lot of Rather Moronic people will believe this drivel:rolleyes:

A lot of middle American far-right war merchants will believe it.. once it's justified to invade Iran in their eyes then the truth is unimportant

_sparkie_

and there you have it folks, the next trip into the middle is sorted under the guise of bin laden.

'he is in iran, quick bomb it and go find him. we might as well stop for a few years while we are at it, it would be a waste to leave all these natural resources laying around'.

robtri

Mahatma coat wrote: »

thing is tho, a lot of Rather Moronic people will believe this drivel:rolleyes:

and whats worse is that other morons wont believe it:rolleyes:

Torakx

But that IS the case.We are ALL morons in some aspect or on some topic.Being so far from where its actually happening we are limited with our information.
Different perspectives have different beliefs.
If we live in a box with only such and such as info inside that box we are going to most likely believe through repetition that such and such is reality or at least part of ours.
Just on the topic of everyone calliing each other morons for having A reality.Its kind of moronic oh! i nerfed myself!

Mahatma coat

and whats worse is that other morons wont believe it

Well, do you believe it??????



and I really regret using the word Moronic now as it seems to have distracted from the OP

northwest100

the type of argument is famebait.

anyone with half a brain willing to switch off FOX news for a day and actually do some research on US foreign policy would be enlightened for the day.

They'd see through this utter tripe the Israelis are now peddling as "truth"

Osama is a man from the past, once a mysterious figure who represented CIA "the database" AKA "Al Qaeda" -- financed by Carter/Reagan administrations under the advice of National Security Advisor and CFR founder Brzezinski.

Sponsered initially to influence Afghan politics through terrorism, then to fight Russia for the purpose of bringing down the USSR and now today it's purpose to bring down the US empire.

Osama was an attack dog turned bogeyman..
The US / Zionist Regime will stop at nothing linking this man to any country they want to attack or demonize.

US is spreading their democracy and human rights throughout the world today, and of course, we must preserve that freedom by attacking Iran.

Yes, we must bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran..as McCain so elegantly said during the presential elections.

Why not bomb Iran? hey, that's the american way..we do what we want, fck everybody else.

humanji

northwest100 wrote: »

the type of argument is famebait.

anyone with half a brain willing to switch off FOX news for a day and actually do some research on US foreign policy would be enlightened for the day.

They'd see through this utter tripe the Israelis are now peddling as "truth"

Osama is a man from the past, once a mysterious figure who represented CIA "the database" AKA "Al Qaeda" -- financed by Carter/Reagan administrations under the advice of National Security Advisor and CFR founder Brzezinski.

Sponsered initially to influence Afghan politics through terrorism, then to fight Russia for the purpose of bringing down the USSR and now today it's purpose to bring down the US empire.

Osama was an attack dog turned bogeyman..
The US / Zionist Regime will stop at nothing linking this man to any country they want to attack or demonize.

US is spreading their democracy and human rights throughout the world today, and of course, we must preserve that freedom by attacking Iran.

Yes, we must bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran..as McCain so elegantly said during the presential elections.

Why not bomb Iran? hey, that's the american way..we do what we want, fck everybody else.

Do you not think it more likely that it's Israel on it's own making this up to shift the bad publicity they've been getting recently.

studiorat

humanji wrote: »

Do you not think it more likely that it's Israel on it's own making this up to shift the bad publicity they've been getting recently.

Then why was the story in the Telegraph at the begining of May. The Huffington post carried the story back at the begining of April, stating that the US had been aware of the story since 2004. The same story in Italian newspapers as far back as 2003. In fact the story about him being in Iran has been online since 2002.

Nevermind stories all over the place in December 2009 about his daughter, Iman, leaving the compound in Teheran where one wife and children lived, and asking to for asylum at the Saudi embassy. Again news came out she was released in March this year.

humanji

studiorat wrote: »

Then why was the story in the Telegraph at the begining of May. The Huffington post carried the story back at the begining of April, stating that the US had been aware of the story since 2004. The same story in Italian newspapers as far back as 2003. In fact the story about him being in Iran has been online since 2002.

Nevermind stories all over the place in December 2009 about his daughter, Iman, leaving the compound in Teheran where one wife and children lived, and asking to for asylum at the Saudi embassy. Again news came out she was released in March this year.

But still, if he is there and it's been known about it, then Israel trumpeting about it now is hardly news, so is it not more likely that it's still an attempt to get coverage off of themselves?

gbee

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Must be true, the Israelis wouldnt tell us lies, would they??

No, I genuinely and fervantly believe anything they tell me.

But I think they still think a Bush runs the world and dances to falsified government documents and leader statements. Now if they had got Blair to say this ... then it must have been conveniently true.

Now, lads stop all those anti Israel threads about them robbing travellers off their neighbour's shoreline.

The new world order must now invade Iran, expel Turkey from the EU ~ erm, scratch that, she' still a US missile platform ~ but look we don't need any more reasons to seize Iran's oil, I mean terrorists, sorry about that ...

studiorat

humanji wrote: »

But still, if he is there and it's been known about it, then Israel trumpeting about it now is hardly news, so is it not more likely that it's still an attempt to get coverage off of themselves?

Israel isn't trumpeting anything really, the story emerged in a Kuwaiti Newspaper first.

According to Al-Siyassa, the information, which came from a source linked directly to Iranian security apparatuses, was that bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri had entered Sabzevar at the invitation of Iran and through the mediation of Lebanese Hizbullah.

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4338.htm

DEBKA reported on that story. Furthermore contrary to popular belief they are an independent media organisation, albeit with a pro-israeli slant. An non-mainstream media for the "other-side" if you will.

Reading back through the thread it seems most people are missing the point entirely. It's not about whether OBL is in Iran or not, we've seen that story for long enough already. It's about the fact that Recep Erdogan knew about it. Showing that his ties with Iran were intense enough for him to be in the picture, which is no surprise to anyone really.

According to IRIB World Service, Ahmadinejad:

, “Safeguarding the regional security and efforts aimed at influencing the new world order are the most important duties of our two countries.”

Pointing out that the Iranian and Turkish governments are standing side by side of one another in advancement and in establishment of security and wellbeing, he said, “Tehran and Ankara have lots of shared historic moments and interests and at the international scene, too, our standpoints are quite close to one another.”

The thing is both Turkey and Iran have a mutual interest, that being the PKK among other things and regularly share intelligence. And so since we've seen already that the story is all over the internet it's quite plausable that Erdogan would have expected some answers regarding OBL.

Finally, two other points come to mind. Firstly if it's on the likes of Boards.ie that OBL is in Iran you can bet that he's heard the news long before it made the papers and has most likely gotten his ass out of the way again. And secondly, I wonder does the current US administration actually want to catch OBL. What the hell would they do with him? The logistics would be a nightmare, a court appearance? The security would be unthinkable... Apart from it being a conspiracy theorists wet dream. :rolleyes:

gbee

studiorat wrote: »

And secondly, I wonder does the current US administration actually want to catch OBL. What the hell would they do with him? . :rolleyes:

Good post. And as he is an American Secret Service Agent ~ once a secret agent, always a secret agent.

OBL is living his life's reward, paid for by the US admin ~ he did what Bush told him to do. On the other hand, OBL would not be hiding in a Muslim country as he really ratted them out.

I'd look for OBL in the Caribbean, clean shaven and running a small diving school for the tourists.

Brown Bomber

robtri wrote: »

and whats worse is that other morons wont believe it:rolleyes:

You actually believe it don't you??

For this to work you have to pretend that Sunni's and Shia's are the same.

They are not.

Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda are Sunni.

Iran is 90% Shia.

Sunni's and Shia's are sworn enemies, moreso of each other than USrael and the West. When Bin Laden was in Afghanistan under Taliban rule tensions ran very high on the border, almost leading to war on numerous occasions. There is zero percent chance Bin Laden is in Iran unless he is a CIA agent and Iran is still under the control of the CIA and they all play out their parts.

These warmongers have some cheek, it was only maybe two months that Iran captured the Jundullah leader, a terrorist group who the US admit backing.

EDIT:
Links -
Al-Qaeda:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/14811/profile.html

Shia Muslims (Iran)
http://www.cfr.org/publication/10903/shia_muslims_in_the_mideast.html

cable842

i thought he was living down in crumlin he waved to me the other day.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/bin-laden-aides-hiding-in-iran/story-e6frfku0-1225877288776




Must be true, the Israelis wouldnt tell us lies, would they??

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Sunni's and Shia's are sworn enemies, moreso of each other than USrael and the West.

Over-simplified into nonsense, like saying Catholic's and Protestants are sworn enemies. The example of Turkey's and Iran's co-operation shown earlier proves this is not so.

Bin Laden is part of the Wahhabi sect, it's dominant in Saudi and the Madras' in Pakistan. Reasons for it's spread are partially due to the funding available from rich countries like Saudi, in fact during thew 70's it was refered to as Petro-Islam.

Although Wahabbi literature also continues to openly and repeatedly condemn Shiite philosophy as apostasy, this has not prevented "revolutionary" Iran from coming together with the Wahabbi group within the Pakistan army – which has been dominant since the 1970s – and the institutions it directly and indirectly controls.

Travel and telephone records, including "coincidental" visits by Iranian and Pakistani military commanders to locations such as Beijing or Dubai, show a steep acceleration in contacts between the ruling Khomeinst structure in Iran and its Wahabbi counterparts in Pakistan.

The Wahabbis have been adept at the "good cop, bad cop" routine needed to lull the best and the brightest in Washington D.C. into their customary stupor when faced with the need to implement actual – as distinct from cosmetic – measures against the Wahabbis that dominate the Pakistan military and its affiliates.

In contrast, the theatrical Khomeinists have succeeded in turning successive U.S. administrations, and even domestic public opinion, against them with the ranting of their leaders. This is especially true of the current loudmouthed president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the hand-picked nominee of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

Over-simplified into nonsense, like saying Catholic's and Protestants are sworn enemies. The example of Turkey's and Iran's co-operation shown earlier proves this is not so. .

Really? explain the situation in Iraq then
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Al-Zarqawi declares war on Iraqi Shia[/FONT]
http://web.archive.org/web/20051024004108/http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/407AAE91-AF72-45D7-83E9-486063C0E5EA.htm

Al-Qaeda threatens war against Iran
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2007/07/2008525141743897291.html

studiorat wrote: »

Bin Laden is part of the Wahhabi sect, it's dominant in Saudi and the Madras' in Pakistan. Reasons for it's spread are partially due to the funding available from rich countries like Saudi, in fact during thew 70's it was refered to as Petro-Islam.

Where are you getting this rubbish from? Saudi Arabia is officially a Sunni state, the Royal family are all Sunni Muslims. Wahabbi's are not dominant in the Pakistan Madrasas either. The Taliban and Al Qaeda are very much anti-Shia - its very simple.

But of course he could be in Iran...so lets start dropping bombs on innocent civilians:rolleyes:

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

But of course he could be in Iran...so lets start dropping bombs on innocent civilians:rolleyes:

I really think some people who see themselves as being anti-US would actually like to see that happen so they could justify themselves.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Really? explain the situation in Iraq then
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Al-Zarqawi declares war on Iraqi Shia[/FONT]
http://web.archive.org/web/20051024004108/http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/407AAE91-AF72-45D7-83E9-486063C0E5EA.htm

Al-Qaeda threatens war against Iran
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2007/07/2008525141743897291.html

It's self explanitory, the hardline Wahhabi or Salafists are quite willing to declare war on anybody who does not subscribe to their particular version of Islam.

The main difference between Wahhabis and those on the Sunni path is in matters of belief. This is the primary difference. Matters of fiqh are secondary. There is also a fundamental difference in methodological understandings, especially of the concept of innovation (bid`a) and traditional religious authority.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=124&CATE=24

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Where are you getting this rubbish from? Saudi Arabia is officially a Sunni state, the Royal family are all Sunni Muslims. Wahabbi's are not dominant in the Pakistan Madrasas either. The Taliban and Al Qaeda are very much anti-Shia - its very simple.

http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Wahhabiarticleedit.htm

Above is an article explaining the differences between the Sunni system of belief and that of the Salafist/Wahhabi.

As for their inroads into Pakistan, I guess you should look at the Swat valley who killed Benazir Bhutto and the work of Sipah-e-Sahaba.

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

I really think some people who see themselves as being anti-US would actually like to see that happen so they could justify themselves.

If your really think it name them so.

YOU SAY (On why Sunnis and Shias are killing each other in Iraq)

studiorat wrote: »

It's self explanitory, the hardline Wahhabi or Salafists are quite willing to declare war on anybody who does not subscribe to their particular version of Islam.

I SAID (on Sunni Bin Laden hiding in Shia Iran)

For this to work you have to pretend that Sunni's and Shia's are the same.

They are not.

Essentially the same point, yet your continuing to argue against me

I said a extremist Sunni Muslim (Bin Laden) would never seek or recieve refuge in the only Shia dominated state in the world (Iran).

You (now) say a "hardline Wahhabi" (Bin Laden) is "quite willing to declare war on anybody who does not subscribe to their particular version of Islam". i.e. especially a Shia Muslim state (Iran). Which is exactly the original point I made.

studiorat wrote: »

Above is an article explaining the differences between the Sunni system of belief and that of the Salafist/Wahhabi.

I seen your post earlier and I asked a Sunni Lebanese guy I help with english what the difference was. Essentially there is none according to him, Wahabbism is a extreme, political form of Sunni Islam.

studiorat wrote: »

As for their inroads into Pakistan, I guess you should look at the Swat valley who killed Benazir Bhutto and the work of Sipah-e-Sahaba.

"inroads into Pakistan" now?

You said

"Bin Laden is part of the Wahhabi sect, it's dominant in Saudi and the Madras' in Pakistan"

Why don't you just admit you had it wrong rather than call my points "nonsense" when they were correct?

wonderfulname

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Must be true, the Israelis wouldnt tell us lies, would they??

Never! To be honest I'm surprised he's not commuting to Gaza on the weekends via ship..

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

"inroads into Pakistan" now?

You said

"Bin Laden is part of the Wahhabi sect, it's dominant in Saudi and the Madras' in Pakistan"

Why don't you just admit you had it wrong rather than call my points "nonsense" when they were correct?

Yes inroads into Pakistan, outside of the Madrasses. Why would I admit anything since you haven't actually proved any of these points are incorrect apart from you calling them rubbish.

The main point of your original post infers that it's impossible that OBL is in Iran because Sunni and Shi'a muslims are sworn enemies. Yet I pointed out that relations between Turkey and Iran are actually very good.

I said your arguiment was like saying Catholics and Protestants are sworn enemies. That's like saying such and such IRA terrorist isn't hiding in England because its a Protestant country. Your argument also implies that the Iranian government were implicit in his being in the country, (if he actually was), this is not necessarliy so.

Since a number of "Sunni" religious leaders and scholars who are all graduates from Pakistan have been arrested in the same region earlier this year. It's entirely plausable that there would be sympathesisers in and around the area which could provide sanctuary.

The area is known as Khorasan and seems to be quite a hotspot for Wahhabi types. So if you take a minute to actually think about OBL being there the likelyness becomes obvious.

If you still doubt the likelyhood of this scenario google "The Vanguards of Khorasan" and see what comes up.

http://www.flashpoint-intel.com/

On the above site is also an interesting document saying the IHH advertised that the Aid Flotilla was to aid Mujahideen and that Mujahideen are now pissed off since the money now is not going to fund them as advertized.